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B. de Corbin
28 Jun 2017, 06:53
OK, the idea that "it is 'natural,' therefore it is good" is so easy to dispell with common examples in pretty much everybody's experience (poison ivy? Natural, but not good. Arsenic? Natural, but not good.) that it is surprising to see the "appeal to nature" fallacy trotted out every time somebody thinks they can get some milage out of it.

Here's an entertaining explanation of the fallacy, in the interests of public education in the interests of the public good:

Natural, shmatural: Mother Nature might be lovely, but moral she is not. She doesn’t love us or want what’s best for us (https://aeon.co/essays/mother-nature-might-be-lovely-but-moral-she-is-not)

From the article:


... Soon enough, Eve is examining the bread, turning it in her long, calloused fingers. Her inner goddess whispers that something is not right. But it is so like ‘real’ food! Curiosity overcomes her and she takes that first bite and, as she does so, her DNA unravels, then tangles and sproings up like when you run a scissor blade over a Christmas ribbon to make it super sproingy. Her animal friends run away; they no longer recognise her as one of them. She looks no different yet she is changed deep inside. Her cycles no longer sync with the Moon, Gaia will not return her calls, and she’s pretty sure she has a peanut allergy.

Prickly Pear
28 Jun 2017, 07:16
"Natural" and "chemical" are misused all the time. It is amusing, but also infuriating because people get so wound up over things that they don't understand clearly. And there are some very good points to be made about food additives, large corporations monopolizing the food supply, and so forth. So I'm all in favor of promoting local foods, sustainable farming practices that support healthy soil, etc. It is just that they are often overwhelmed by misinformation.

Also, you could get me ranting about "Algebra doesn't apply to real life", But you probably don't want to:rolleyes:.

Dumuzi
28 Jun 2017, 07:27
Yep, and it works the other way round, too.

"I don't use medications because it's not natural so it's bad for you"

Putting aside the debate about what is natural and what's not, I hear the above argument way too often!

iris
28 Jun 2017, 07:45
Oh this one can get me quite worked up because it's often a case of lazy or wilful ignorance... the whole 'natural is best argument dies the second you think about it. Nuts will kill me, but they are perfectly natural ^^ as are rattlesnakes and tornados....

https://youtu.be/VGErC6QQdoc

B. de Corbin
28 Jun 2017, 07:56
Yep, and it works the other way round, too.

"I don't use medications because it's not natural so it's bad for you"

Putting aside the debate about what is natural and what's not, I hear the above argument way too often!

LOL - being dead is natural, and, for many of us, we'd be long dead if it weren't for that unnatural medicine.

anunitu
28 Jun 2017, 08:40
Many modern Medicines are "Refined" natural things. Aspirin is from a natural source,but refined down to JUST the actual part with the helpful chemical aspects.
Natural is good,but the derived medical use will not have side effects from all the other parts of the natural source.

thalassa
30 Jun 2017, 19:11
I just say SMALLPOX!

and leave it at that.

Tylluan Penry
01 Jul 2017, 00:28
The Scythians were great archers and masters of poison, using only 'natural' ingredients. Your chances of surviving a wound from one of their arrows was pretty slim...

Chessa
08 Jul 2017, 16:33
I love that you brought up arsenic; I trot that one out when people say something has fewer chemicals and is therefore better. Your organic, non-gmo kale has several chemical compounds, while arsenic only has one