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Thanks, I thought it might be important but I didn't want to have an ocpd flare-up like I had with Hindu pujas. Truth to tell, my reasoning is a little lazy... it's getting farkin' nasty, windy, cold and rainy 'round 'bout these here parts. I find myself running outside with the bowl and hurrying back in the house. I'm so ashamed! So then, I'd probably do an outdoors offering weather permitting. I also want to make a small stone altar outdoors for that. I found a little verse: "Hail honored ancestors, alfar, disir, landvaettir. From the Gods to the Earth to us; from us to the Earth to the Gods. A gift for a gift. Hail!"śivāya vishnu rūpaya śivaḥ rūpaya vishnave
śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ
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I like that verse!
I think the best way to think of it is how much heart you are putting in...if you feel you are doing yourself and who you are honoring justice. If that is accomplished, then really the formalities mean relatively little for a personal ritual. There is always a sense of making it your own and "winging it" in play for everybody.
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So true... "A for effort", "It's the intentions that count", "If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water I will accept it". Note to self: remember these. Thanks.śivāya vishnu rūpaya śivaḥ rūpaya vishnave
śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ
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Originally posted by Thorbjorn View PostThanks, I thought it might be important but I didn't want to have an ocpd flare-up like I had with Hindu pujas. Truth to tell, my reasoning is a little lazy... it's getting farkin' nasty, windy, cold and rainy 'round 'bout these here parts. I find myself running outside with the bowl and hurrying back in the house. I'm so ashamed! So then, I'd probably do an outdoors offering weather permitting. I also want to make a small stone altar outdoors for that. I found a little verse: "Hail honored ancestors, alfar, disir, landvaettir. From the Gods to the Earth to us; from us to the Earth to the Gods. A gift for a gift. Hail!"
I know that there's this idea that pouring it out onto the earth is completing some circle or giving back to the earth or whatever. But really... what self respecting landvaettr actually wants alcohol poured onto it's soil? How is that helping the land? The landvaettir usually want things that will enrich and enliven the land... in which case you're better off pouring manure or green stock onto your grass than you are mead. It's all well and good to talk about honoring the landvaettir along with everyone else in a toast, but I think some of our modern practices are little more than lip service that no one has thought that hard about.
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My landvaetter seem to prefer their alcohol left in the bowl/glass/etc... and I can practically guarantee the husvaetter do...I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger
Blood and Country
Tribe of my Tribe
Clan of my Clan
Kin of my Kin
Blood of my Blood
For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.
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Ha ha, well can I just say I'm relieved I'm not the only one who rushes out to give their offering then rushes back inside! (Not so much for weather reasons, I love the rain! But I have nosey neighbours who ask weird questions like "Where are you going with that apple?" and "Why are you pouring that out there?").
Though, I usually do whatever I get a nudge to do. There's been a few instances where all that's been required is me pouring out an offering into a cup and that's it. I'm pretty headblind though, so when in doubt I put whatever I've offered outside- as long as it poses no threat to the wildlife around my place.
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I can always count on the folks here to come through.
Originally posted by Rae'ya View PostThere's no reason you need to pour a libation to the gods outside, unless They asked you to. As far as I'm concerned, once they've accepted the offering, it's 'empty' and can be disposed of however you like. My gods don't seem to care what I do with it once they've taken the energy and intent from it.
I know that there's this idea that pouring it out onto the earth is completing some circle or giving back to the earth or whatever. But really... what self respecting landvaettr actually wants alcohol poured onto it's soil? How is that helping the land? The landvaettir usually want things that will enrich and enliven the land... in which case you're better off pouring manure or green stock onto your grass than you are mead. It's all well and good to talk about honoring the landvaettir along with everyone else in a toast, but I think some of our modern practices are little more than lip service that no one has thought that hard about.Originally posted by Rick View PostMy landvaetter seem to prefer their alcohol left in the bowl/glass/etc... and I can practically guarantee the husvaetter do...
Originally posted by SilverShadow View PostHa ha, well can I just say I'm relieved I'm not the only one who rushes out to give their offering then rushes back inside! (Not so much for weather reasons, I love the rain! But I have nosey neighbours who ask weird questions like "Where are you going with that apple?" and "Why are you pouring that out there?").
Though, I usually do whatever I get a nudge to do. There's been a few instances where all that's been required is me pouring out an offering into a cup and that's it. I'm pretty headblind though, so when in doubt I put whatever I've offered outside- as long as it poses no threat to the wildlife around my place.śivāya vishnu rūpaya śivaḥ rūpaya vishnave
śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ
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Alcohol evaporates pretty quickly. Just be sure it is out of the reach of curious children and curiouser pets.I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger
Blood and Country
Tribe of my Tribe
Clan of my Clan
Kin of my Kin
Blood of my Blood
For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.
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P.S. I rarely leave more than a thimbleful... it's amusing to watch them wear the thimble and dance drunkenly...I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger
Blood and Country
Tribe of my Tribe
Clan of my Clan
Kin of my Kin
Blood of my Blood
For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.
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Originally posted by Rae'ya View PostI know that there's this idea that pouring it out onto the earth is completing some circle or giving back to the earth or whatever. But really... what self respecting landvaettr actually wants alcohol poured onto it's soil? How is that helping the land? The landvaettir usually want things that will enrich and enliven the land... in which case you're better off pouring manure or green stock onto your grass than you are mead. It's all well and good to talk about honoring the landvaettir along with everyone else in a toast, but I think some of our modern practices are little more than lip service that no one has thought that hard about.
Something else to think about is that the spirits of the land are either native to that land or naturalized to it, just as its plants and animal species are. The *Local Embodied Mystery* (by whatever name one's tradition calls it) is something that is largely cross-cultural, but recognized differently regionally or historically. But at the end of the day, they belong to the land ultimately (unlike deities, which I think "belong" more to the people--though "belong" is not really the best word). IMO, that means how one ought to interact with them depends very strongly on the land itself. How one approaches a bioregional spirit of the Western US should be respectful of that area's history and ecology, and will likely look quite different from what one historically did in Ye Olde Wherever*.Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of HistoryPagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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