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Niall_Leppu
05 Sep 2015, 23:04
Is anyone here dedicated to Odhinn All-Father? What's your experience with Him?
How do you perform your ritual/blot/worship? Does he "link back" to you, or is a one way thing?
I have serious trouble reconnecting with The All-Father.

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Cheers

Thorbjorn
08 Sep 2015, 05:15
The All-Father is said to be very difficult to get close to. He is one to be respected and feared, but not loved as a grandfatherly type god. He is not gregarious like Thórr or generous like Freyr or Njördr. Óðinn is exacting and has his own agenda, and will use any means to fulfill it. I'm not saying that disrespectfully, but rather with the utmost respect. When dealing with Óðinn do so with eyes wide open, knowing what it actually means to dedicate yourself to him.

Niall_Leppu
08 Sep 2015, 08:35
The All-Father is said to be very difficult to get close to. He is one to be respected and feared, but not loved as a grandfatherly type god. He is not gregarious like Thórr or generous like Freyr or Njördr. Óðinn is exacting and has his own agenda, and will use any means to fulfill it. I'm not saying that disrespectfully, but rather with the utmost respect. When dealing with Óðinn do so with eyes wide open, knowing what it actually means to dedicate yourself to him.

Thank you Thorbjorn, your advice sheds light to a lot of things I previously misunderstood. I concur with your description of the Allfather, I sensed it before although I could not pinpoint it until I read your post. Moreover, statements from a couple of people who had a brush with the Allfather echoed yours. At the moment I dedicate myself mainly through learning, experimenting and seeking general knowledge to fill the gaps in my understanding (which are numerous at the very least). As I do so, I felt myself edging closer to him after revelations and discoveries. I could almost hear the Allfather laugh when I let out an "Ahhhhhhh... so that's how it works".

As a fledgling in Asatruism, I have a lot to learn. So if it's not too intrusive, may I ask what is like to have Thor as a fulltrui? And how does he respond? On the other note, have you read my other post - what do you make of it?

Thorbjorn
08 Sep 2015, 10:13
I did see your other post. I think it's pretty much on target.

Take all of what I'm going to say as my personal UPG, because there are many Heathens, Ásatrúar specifically (that's the singular and plural for one who practices Ásatrú) who will say and have said I'm full of woo-woo and Star Wars Force crap. Thórr is the Regular Joe's god. Thórr is rough and rowdy, boisterous and the kind of guy you want to have your back. He can be a big brother or a buddy who will take you out to a bar, get you drunk and into brawls, but make sure you don't get hurt and that you get home safely. He likes to have a good time. He's like the friendly and good-natured college jock. He's smart and clever in his own way (read Alvíssmál for that). He's got a quick temper but he's equally quick to calm down. He leads with his chin, being impulsive and brash, but he's very protective. Those are things I have in common with him, and are probably the biggest reasons why I was drawn to him. None of the gods or goddesses will hover over you, meddle or micro-manage your life. Being Heathen means to take care of yourself and your tribe (i.e. family and inner circle, innangarð). But if you really need him, he'll come. However, when he's working, it's best to get out of his way. That is, don't go out during a thunderstorm thinking you won't get hurt or get into trouble. I found that out the hard way.

Niall_Leppu
08 Sep 2015, 12:18
And once more you shed slight onto things I could not find in books, blogs and article. (This is why now I seek to talk to people)

It sounds like you and the Thunder God have a very deep and personal relationship. By your description of him, would it be safe to assume that Thórr is somewhat more approachable than the Allfather? I can relate myself with his warrior aspect as conflict appears in all sorts of manifestations. I'm a little concerned that if I start building relationship with him (or any other deity), I'd deviate from learning and thus, The Allfather himself. My next sentence may sound somewhat desperate... but, missing an active presence of a deity is.... "crippling" me spiritually. It doesn't stop my wishful thought of starting a relationship with other gods/goddesses though (thus my question above).

To relate the two gods, I see Óðinn as my motivation and Thórr as the driving force; you know... Learn & Act. In fact, in my daily magickal workings I use Thuriaz a lot more frequently than Anzuz, which I reserve as a Rune of connection to the Higher Realms & Intelligence for I do not take such connection lightly.

So far I might've been too absorbed with trying to figure out how to re-kindle my relationship with the Allfather and unwittingly turn a blind eye on the Thunder God despite the manifestations of his aspects in the more mundane daily life.


However, when he's working, it's best to get out of his way. That is, don't go out during a thunderstorm thinking you won't get hurt or get into trouble. I found that out the hard way.

Personally, I've always been a tiny, weeny bit "scared" to directly deal with Thórr. Mainly due to his aggressive, "punch first, question later" nature. Perhaps I am subconsciously afraid to slight him (You know he's not the guy to mess around with... Hell, even the Jotun would think twice, let alone a mortal). But upon gaining new understanding, I began to feel the gravity of having direct involvement of Óðinn.

Thorbjorn
09 Sep 2015, 05:40
Thor takes a punch-first-talk-later approach when someone he cares about is in danger, insulted or offended. When Loki cut off Sif's hair, Thor raged and vowed to rip Loki's head off but at the same time comforted Sif when he saw how upset she was. In Lokasenna he again threatened to knock Loki's head off his shoulders because he was insulting the other gods and goddesses, who are Thor's kin and friends. Thor is quite compassionate, his patience is lacking where word games, deceit or something of that kind are involved. He values honesty and intensely dislikes dishonesty and deceit, because he is so forthright. He resorted to trickery only twice, once in Álvíssmál and once in Thrymskvida (where he dressed as a bride) because his daughter and Freyja were in danger of being abducted, and to retrieve his stolen hammer. The deceit was a last resort. Despite his brashness it's difficult if not impossible to offend him personally, especially if one is devoted to him. He knows his friends from his enemies and treats each accordingly. Don't be afraid of him. He's really quite a cool dude.

Munin-Hugin
09 Sep 2015, 13:54
Well, as you may tell from my chosen screen name, Old One Eye and I have a bit of an understanding. I'd support what Thorbjorn said about him for the most part, though I've gotten the grandfatherly vibe from him a time or two. Yes, only a time or two over the many years I've been in contact. He's made it a point that he doesn't mess around, and that when he speaks, you damn well better listen because he's not too keen on repeating himself. He's not as much a god of action, as you'd find Thor to be, but is more of a contemplater and a planner, a learner and a seeker. You'll get out of something what you put in.

Like with all of the Norse gods, honesty and confidence is the best way to approach him, as well as acceptance of all the things in your life. He won't give you a chance to make excuses, and he really doesn't want to hear them. I know he sounds a bit harsh, but he really isn't. Be honest with yourself and be honest with him, and he'll listen and respond. Ask what you will with surety and humility, and he will guide.

Niall_Leppu
09 Sep 2015, 18:31
Despite his brashness it's difficult if not impossible to offend him personally, especially if one is devoted to him. He knows his friends from his enemies and treats each accordingly. Don't be afraid of him. He's really quite a cool dude.
Well, this gives me a much needed relief (as lame as it sounds). It's Thursday too, so to start my day I'll go outside with a can of beer, draw a hammer on the ground and pour a bit over it, and after a small prayer to Thorr (picture below), gulp it down instead of having my customary morning tea. I'm sure the landvaettir will like it too, hehehe). I owe you a lot of thanks Thorbjorn. :o
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He's made it a point that he doesn't mess around, and that when he speaks, you damn well better listen because he's not too keen on repeating himself. He's not as much a god of action, as you'd find Thor to be, but is more of a contemplater and a planner, a learner and a seeker. You'll get out of something what you put in.

Like with all of the Norse gods, honesty and confidence is the best way to approach him, as well as acceptance of all the things in your life. He won't give you a chance to make excuses, and he really doesn't want to hear them. I know he sounds a bit harsh, but he really isn't. Be honest with yourself and be honest with him, and he'll listen and respond. Ask what you will with surety and humility, and he will guide.

Aye Sir, your screen name and profile picture reminds me of certain Thought and Memory :;):
In regards of your description, I sensed something similar very strongly in my initial encounter with the Allfather, despite my ignorance of his nature back then. He simply radiated his nature, which I've come to understand the hard way. In any case, I have good reasons why I....need....to be closer to him spiritually. It's not necessary for you to read the whole thing but I wrote my experience here if you want to read it:
Forum --> Religion and Spirituality -->Pagan Traditions & Discussion --> Runic Meditation - Connection to the Old Man (sorry, I can't post links yet. Newbs don't have this perk. lol).

My gut tells me I'm edging closer ever so slowly toward the Allfather each time I understand something new. He simply urged me to keep learning and when I actively heed his instructions, I sense that our connection is stronger. That being said, although he is not as responsive in his interaction with mortals like most other deities I previously linked up with, now I'm beginning to see that my relationship with him is not totally severed as I thought before.

Keldorn
09 Sep 2015, 20:11
Nial, 15 posts should give you linking rights.

Past that, anything I could say about Odin (or Thor for that matter) has already been stated by those more knowledgeable about them.

Munin-Hugin
10 Sep 2015, 05:04
One other thing I forgot to mention about the Big Guy. Keep in mind that he willingly hung, starved, and stabbed himself, as well as gouged out his own eye all for the sake of knowledge. If he's going to go to those lengths to get what he wants, he's expecting you to be able to sacrifice a bit for your needs as well.

Thorbjorn
10 Sep 2015, 06:06
Well, this gives me a much needed relief (as lame as it sounds). It's Thursday too, so to start my day I'll go outside with a can of beer, draw a hammer on the ground and pour a bit over it, and after a small prayer to Thorr (picture below), gulp it down instead of having my customary morning tea. I'm sure the landvaettir will like it too, hehehe). I owe you a lot of thanks Thorbjorn. :o
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Nice! Happy Thorsday... let's get hammered. :D