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B. de Corbin
25 Feb 2016, 06:46
Turns out that it is both simple and legal.

Just be Google, and rely on human nature:

The new mind control: The internet has spawned subtle forms of influence that can flip elections and manipulate everything we say, think and do (https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-internet-flips-elections-and-alters-our-thoughts)

anunitu
25 Feb 2016, 07:52
I have read the book "subliminal seduction" when I was much younger,and would agree how much we can be manipulated.

See here. (https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4063)

I do wonder just how much these things can control our decisions and actions.

B. de Corbin
25 Feb 2016, 08:10
I do wonder just how much these things can control our decisions and actions.

Subliminal? Not much. You can be prompted to do what you would do anyway, which isn't a major deal.

However, according to the research, controling search-engine ranking leads to about 40% control, making it the best mind-control technology ever (known to be) created

anunitu
25 Feb 2016, 08:12
Really,how many of us would go past the first page of links in a search? I had not even thought about this until it was mentioned in the story.

B. de Corbin
25 Feb 2016, 08:23
Really,how many of us would go past the first page of links in a search? I had not even thought about this until it was mentioned in the story.

Exactly. Nobody does think about this, unless he/she has had some background in SEO & such...

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P.S. If it matters...

Google provides, free of charge (:rolleyes: public service), massive tools for education.

Since Google collects, records, data-mines, and sells/uses keystroke data, they will soon have their mind control hooks in an entire generation.

Sean R. R.
25 Feb 2016, 08:39
Google's biased search results have been the object of a few studies these past few years. I usually go up to the 3rd page just in case.

anunitu
25 Feb 2016, 08:48
There is also the censored result that at times comes up saying like "This site may damage your computer" Good perhaps if it is a hack site,BUT it might be a block for other reasons if you think about it.

See here about the google warning thing. (http://blog.codinghorror.com/this-site-may-harm-your-computer/)

Owlsongs
17 Mar 2016, 06:54
For me it's slightly strange to observe the action & consequence of 'we need this service' and 'this service has too much power over that aspect'.
It's only perfectly normal to make alterations to something you've created, and twist them into your own benefit, or your own approval.
Google is, like many other places, a Hub to find other websites of interest. A function that was normal to spawn into existence the moment people began creating their own websites.
Is a search engine the only 'version' of a Hub? No, not by far. This is just the one we handed our trust and attention to, and that has thus become powerful on it's own, and growing fast.

My point is: It's weird to call it 'mind control' when we're the ones that helped them into existence. When you choose to make use of it, every time.

B. de Corbin
17 Mar 2016, 06:58
My point is: It's weird to call it 'mind control' when we're the ones that helped them into existence. When you choose to make use of it, every time.

Without awareness, it is pretty much mind control. Once you know that you are being manipulated, and how, and realize that you are not being presented with honest information, THEN, and ONLY THEN can you deal with it.

Owlsongs
17 Mar 2016, 07:17
THEN, and ONLY THEN can you deal with it.

Deal with it? All human communication can be portrayed as manipulation in a certain light, as we all try to obtain what we want from one another.
You will always be told dishonest information, regardless of whom presents it. (heck, regardless of intention, even).

In the case of Google's search engine, I'm sure there's plenty of websites that never come to light because of the chosen displayed results with certain keywords.
And because everything's been made so convenient, whose fault is it that the user doesn't reach this website? It is Google's fault that the user only uses Google to search things with on the vast sea that is the internet?

And what exactly changes when the unaware becomes aware of being manipulated so? Does pointing out the lies make a difference, in the end?

B. de Corbin
17 Mar 2016, 08:20
And what exactly changes when the unaware becomes aware of being manipulated so? Does pointing out the lies make a difference, in the end?

Yes. If you imagine (foolishly, but...) that you get unfiltered search results, or that your news feed isn't being manipulated, then you are at risk. When you know that these things happen, you are forewarned, and can mind yer wards and guards.

Are many people suckers? Sure. But in general communication, one tends to trust.

Is that foolish? Sure. But that doesn't mean they need to stay that way.

I, myself, don't mind telling them :cool:

anunitu
17 Mar 2016, 13:05
Think about this: If some person in authority told you not to go outside your local area because something bad would get you,would you thrust that they were telling the truth.
Also what if the said person was telling you a lie to keep you in your local area,to keep you from finding out about government corruption,and also controlling your news sources.

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Control the news,and you can control the people with fear.

Hawkfeathers
17 Mar 2016, 13:23
There's way too much fake news out there. There's a meme floating around FB with numbers on tax hikes, capital gains, etc. that is completely false. That's just one tiny example. Nobody knows what's really going on anymore.

Medusa
17 Mar 2016, 13:25
There's way too much fake news out there. There's a meme floating around FB with numbers on tax hikes, capital gains, etc. that is completely false. That's just one tiny example. Nobody knows what's really going on anymore.
Memes you say. With stuff about the world.

There you go. That's how it starts.'

Hawkfeathers
17 Mar 2016, 13:27
Memes you say. With stuff about the world.

There you go. That's how it starts.'

It used to be just the National Enquirer and teen fan magazines that had fake stuff....I guess people liked those so much we moved on to reality shows, and now the world is one big (un)reality show!

Medusa
17 Mar 2016, 13:33
It's called advitorials. Advertisements disguised as news. You have to look at the articles you read carefully. Sucks. Of course even tv news does it. This story of the burning oil refinery is brought to you by BMW. And I'm not even making that up. That was on tv today this morning. We had a Mylar balloon pop near the oil refinery today in Torrance causing some issues.

Hawkfeathers
17 Mar 2016, 13:50
And wrongfully attributed quotes everywhere!

B. de Corbin
17 Mar 2016, 13:53
And wrongfully attributed quotes everywhere!

85% of the qoutes you read on the internet are misattributed.

99% of the statistics you read on the internet are total fabrications.

Hawkfeathers
17 Mar 2016, 14:00
Honesty is obviously NOT the way to rule the world.

B. de Corbin
17 Mar 2016, 14:02
Honesty is obviously NOT the way to rule the world.

LOL - that would require Plato's philosopher king, but nobody has made one of those yet :p

B. de Corbin
18 Mar 2016, 02:30
4741

Just for fun.

DragonsFriend
18 Mar 2016, 06:57
I'm the kind of person that explores. If someone told me there were monsters outside a particular area, I would go to see them. If they told me an area was flooded with radiation I would go to investigate. That is just my makeup - I guess I could change if I wanted to but I have no desire to change.

B. de Corbin
18 Mar 2016, 09:14
I'm the kind of person that explores. If someone told me there were monsters outside a particular area, I would go to see them. If they told me an area was flooded with radiation I would go to investigate. That is just my makeup - I guess I could change if I wanted to but I have no desire to change.

Fukushima, Japan, is flooded with radiation.

See you later.

thalassa
18 Mar 2016, 10:19
85% of the qoutes you read on the internet are misattributed.

99% of the statistics you read on the internet are total fabrications.

I think that mostly depends on where you get your quotes and statistics from, and how carefully you evaluate them.

B. de Corbin
18 Mar 2016, 10:28
I think that mostly depends on where you get your quotes and statistics from, and how carefully you evaluate them.

I wouldn't know. I just made that up.

:;):

thalassa
18 Mar 2016, 10:29
I wouldn't know. I just made that up.

:;):

Lol, I was going with the general point and not the numbers...

anunitu
18 Mar 2016, 11:05
If you can't dazzle them with your fancy foot work,then you need to mesmerize them with you truly spectacular BS....Not that I would know of such things.:rolleyes: