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toxicyarnglare
03 Sep 2016, 19:50
Story here (http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/standing-rock-sioux-tribe-chairman-sacred-burial-sites-desecrated-saturday-dapl-construction/)

I haven't been seeing this news story anywhere else except for facebook pages, so I thought I'd share this here. For a while, people in North Dakota have been peacefully protesting against building pipelines in Native land, and it's been met with brutal opposition, such as using tear gas, and there have been numerous arrests. And things just seem to be getting worse, now they mow down a large number of prayer and burial sites. It's absolutely disgusting and I think the word should get out more regarding these horrific acts.

anunitu
03 Sep 2016, 19:54
I think it was on Google news

Found this. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnX0L9QiftAcWdzeBx31xCw)

toxicyarnglare
03 Sep 2016, 20:02
I think it was on Google news

Found this. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnX0L9QiftAcWdzeBx31xCw)

You might have posted the wrong link, I'm getting a youtube channel home page or something.

anunitu
03 Sep 2016, 20:03
Darn,did wrong link,so here. (http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/native-americans-passionately-protest-against-new-dakota-pipeline)

Sorry.

How can they do this on Indian land????

Medusa
03 Sep 2016, 22:24
I have a few questions that are going to be of an opinion most wont like.
Eventually isn't the earth full of dead bodies anyways?
Out of curiosity, are there sacred sites of the dead other than the Native Americans that we don't use or have set aside?

Eh. that's all I got actually. I personally sentimentally think it sucks. But on a pragmatic a dead body is just matter...I'm not that upset.

anunitu
04 Sep 2016, 02:50
Main concern seems to be contamination of water table by pipeline leaks...but the sacred site for some is a concern.

B. de Corbin
04 Sep 2016, 07:35
I have a few questions that are going to be of an opinion most wont like.
Eventually isn't the earth full of dead bodies anyways?
Out of curiosity, are there sacred sites of the dead other than the Native Americans that we don't use or have set aside?

Eh. that's all I got actually. I personally sentimentally think it sucks. But on a pragmatic a dead body is just matter...I'm not that upset.

Go to any big city in Europe, Asia, and you can't sink a shovel without hitting a dead king. There are more dead around these days than there are living...

anunitu
04 Sep 2016, 07:36
You been digging in my back yard again??

kalynraye
04 Sep 2016, 07:46
So I'm personally not ok with the government taking Native American land. They've done a really good job of decimating entire populations and putting them on these tiny pieces of land that don't support them. What land they do have they have a right to keep and if they say no to a damn pipeline then those rights should be respected.

monsno_leedra
04 Sep 2016, 07:54
White Man been speaking for forked tongue through its government for many years and in violations of the treaties it signed with the various nations. I think that is a significant part of it it's a continued violation of things promised to them as a people. The Corp of Engineers has already come out and said they are right but money is talking here and showing once again big business is the actual government running our country.

Medusa
04 Sep 2016, 09:16
Go to any big city in Europe, Asia, and you can't sink a shovel without hitting a dead king. There are more dead around these days than there are living...

Richard III found in a parking lot!

Well during the Mexican-American war, the states won a few areas such as California. So I have no problem telling people to get the eff out of our land.

Seems people would get upset if I actually said that. But Mexico signed that treaty and thus 'lost' that war. So...that's what I have to say about that.

anunitu
04 Sep 2016, 09:26
I was born in California,so does that make me honorary Mexicali,kinda? pass the beans with that tasty hot sauce...

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or as the mex say to the gringos...its fréjoles

Hawkfeathers
04 Sep 2016, 12:38
I have a few questions that are going to be of an opinion most wont like.
Eventually isn't the earth full of dead bodies anyways?


Yes, and maybe eventually some become fossil fuel. You never know who's in your gas tank.

Chessa
05 Sep 2016, 18:04
I mean, it sucks that they're doing this, and I'm making a mental note there's another reason for alternative energies (cough cough 5.6 earthquake). But legally, there's nothing that can really be done. I think it's called eminent domain or something, but basically the government can seize your land for the "common good". They nearly demolished a neighboring town (and its famous candy factory) for the benefit of a city 60 miles away. Your options are large-scale protesting and emigration.

ThePaganMafia
06 Sep 2016, 02:53
Looks like violence has started to been used against the protestors.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/09/04/manning-and-then-dogs-came-dakota-access-gets-violent-destroys-graves-sacred-sites-165677

habbalah
06 Sep 2016, 09:55
I understand that dead people are in the ground everywhere, but I really don't like the idea of desecrating a known burial ground. It's disrespectful to the dead, and just asking for the project to be haunted as hell.

Medusa
06 Sep 2016, 10:41
I understand that dead people are in the ground everywhere, but I really don't like the idea of desecrating a known burial ground. It's disrespectful to the dead, and just asking for the project to be haunted as hell.

Lol. Ok someone has been watching Poltergeist! ;)


But I have to say then the earth is spooky. When you go to the bathroom and you pee. The ground at one point probably had more than one dead body on it.

Prickly Pear
06 Sep 2016, 11:40
This was in the long standing tradition of dishonoring promises because someone wants to make a buck. It was intentionally nasty.

I agree that there are bodies everywhere, and I'm not especially sensitive to burial procedures, etc. I personally kind of hope to end up as buzzard poop. But, I think that there is an element of not caring about these bodies specifically because of who they were when they were alive. Not okay. And I think that most people would not want to see the bodies of their families intentionally disrespected.

habbalah
06 Sep 2016, 13:08
But I have to say then the earth is spooky. When you go to the bathroom and you pee. The ground at one point probably had more than one dead body on it.

Still, this is akin to deciding to run a pipeline through an old cemetery. You're still destroying a spot that you know is a resting place, instead of planning around it.

thalassa
06 Sep 2016, 13:09
It's not my culturally relevant site to decide what should or should not be sacred. These are an extant people that have clearly and repeatedly been screwed over by the government and by industry--the cultural aspect should have been extensively addressed before the project was even started. ---when these is done properly and sensitively, there are often compromises that can be made that satisfy no one, but still allow the project to occur, albeit differently...though, receptiveness often depends on the nature of the project and, let's face it, pipelines for oil are going to likely be obsolete before the end of their lifetime and unlikely to get much sympathy.

But aside from that, we are talking about the longest tributary of one of the world's longest rivers and most expansive watersheds... When (when, not if) there is a pipeline leak here, we are talking about trying to contain an oil spill that has potential health and environmental impacts (the bad kind) over a huge area.

And the environmental impact statements done on this were terrible.

Medusa
06 Sep 2016, 21:16
Just to throw in where I'm coming from and our 'reverence' for the dead.
Here in LA, you can go to movie night...at the Hollywood cemetery.

Yup.

anunitu
07 Sep 2016, 05:07
Reminds me of a summer school I had to do,the HS in Oakland where I had to redo a class,the room you could see right across the street a cemetery. Made the class kinda of a distracting factor....

ThePaganMafia
08 Sep 2016, 05:44
An arrest warrant has been issued against Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein for vandalism at the protests. But attacking people with dogs is okay.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/07/jill-stein-graffiti-charges-north-dakota-oil-pipeline-protest?CMP=share_btn_fb

anunitu
08 Sep 2016, 06:54
That warrant is outright BS,and is the local police playing lap dog to the powers that be in the big money crowd. I approved this statement.

ThePaganMafia
11 Sep 2016, 03:41
Journalist Amy Goodman has been issued an arrest warrant after covering the protest. http://m.democracynow.org/web_exclusives/2990Still no warrants for the individuals who attacked protesters with mace and dogs.

Norse_Angel
11 Sep 2016, 09:18
We may be headed out there to help with the protests. It's been getting ugly. I already know several friends of mine who have been involved, two have been arrested.

toxicyarnglare
13 Sep 2016, 20:12
Apparently the North Dakota governor is asking the white house (http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/north-dakota-governor-asks-white-house-federal-aid-1-8-million-nodapl-costs/) to pay for all of the barricades, patrols and helicopters that were sent into the area. Seems like his response to all this will really show his true colors, though I get a feeling that he might wait until after the election is over to say something, which it might be too late by then.

anunitu
13 Sep 2016, 20:15
It seems Bernie Sanders is getting on board with this.
Cause Bernie. (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/295813-sanders-joins-protesters-against-nd-pipeline-project)

go go mighty morphing Power Sanders..!!!!