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B. de Corbin
30 Apr 2017, 06:32
Ten reasons millenials are backing away from God and Christianity (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/30/ten-reasons-millennials-are-backing-away-from-god-and-christianity.html). The categories are from the article, but I have translated the descriptors into non-Orwellian language:

1. Mindset of “digital natives” is very much separate from other generations. You're noticing that there is a wide word of ideas out there, thinking about them, and being influenced by them. Stop that, now!

2. Breakdown of the family. Your families are so totally, absolutely screwed up that you can't even imagine how "great" it would be have a "father" running every aspect of your life. Damn you parents!

3. Militant secularism: Public schools are no longer used as indoctrination camps. Thought and reason are emphasised over somebody else's version of revealed truth. Damn those teachers! They work for SATAN!

4. Lack of spiritual authenticity among adults. when a priest abuses you, you need to remember that it's all part of Jesus's plan to bring you to fatherly love. Shrug it off, and remember the great honor of being an alter boy!

5. The church’s cultural influence has diminished. People have found other ways of meeting and mingling, and aren't socially ostracized for skipping church. Fun and respect are the ememies of the Lord.

6. Pervasive cultural abandonment of morality. people have realized that some relgious-based morality is dumb. You prolly won't go to hell for eating lobster, and it tastes good. But doing so angers the Lord, for some weird reason never really made clear...

7. Intellectual skepticism. College students are encouraged to engage in philosophical investigation rather that having "truth" handed down from on high. College instructers! Don't go to college, they brainwash you into thinking!

8. The rise of a fad called “atheism.” Although they still can't openly run for office in the US, atheists are comming out of the closet, expressing their ideas in public spaces, and gaining both understanding and support. Next thing you know atheists will bw able to legally get married!

9. Our new God: Tolerance be Thy name. People have decided to embrace the concept of "life, libery, and the pursute of happiness," even for non-Christians. Talk about an f'd up country...

10. The commonly defiant posture of young adulthood. Your natural youthful exuberation for reality testing and pushing boundaries has led you to the discovery that much of what was forced into you brain was mush, and you prefer something far, far more substantial. Shame on you!


If you want to read the original, check the link. But don't mistake pseudointellectual word mush for actual communication.

Shahaku
30 Apr 2017, 07:50
Oh, the comments on that article. Do these people even hear what they are saying? Or think before they type?

B. de Corbin
30 Apr 2017, 08:08
Oh, the comments on that article. Do these people even hear what they are saying? Or think before they type?

I generally don't read the comments, especially when being "Fox'd." It draws too many idiot out of hibernation - idiots from both sides.

But I did check them. Thanks for directing me to a belly laugh!

iris
30 Apr 2017, 09:09
Heh. Oh no! Thinking is dangerous! Thinking is of the DEVIL! If god intended for you to think he would have... no. Never mind. You're only allowed to think what the bible tells you to.
The top comment when I looked was some babble about non-christians hiding uncovered giant bones (as in bones from giant people) from the world to conceal that the bible was rigth... priceless.

Denarius
30 Apr 2017, 12:39
1. The atomization of society is very rapidly making democracy impossible to sustain as it relies upon partisanship and voting blocs.

2. The breakdown of the family unit has been going on for a long time, the nuclear family was just as degenerate compared to the extended family and the clan structure. Further evidence of atomization brought on by the Enlightenment and the influence of Christianity.

3. Homogenization of thought isn't a good thing, no matter who is doing it.

5. A lack of centralized community has fostered atomization and social alienation.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/the-loneliness-epidemic-more-connected-than-ever-but-feeling-more-alone-10143206.html)
6. Relativism is one of the causes of the rapid decline in civilization.

7. Be skeptical of things that are acceptable to be skeptical of, but don't be too skeptical of our new sacred cows. Then you are a conspiracy theorist or a bigot.

9. Tolerance: The idea that everyone should look different, but think exactly the same.

10. Generational revolt? Wouldn't want that, now would we? http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/eric-metaxas/next-generation-americans-gen-z-may-be-most-conservative-wwii :rolleyes:

Chessa
30 Apr 2017, 19:47
Picked out a gem from the comments: If man is made from dirt, why is there still dirt?

anunitu
01 May 2017, 09:38
Main thing that caused me to abandon the "Church" was seeing those who in church said these things you should not do,I saw them in fact doing those things,and in my head I thought"WT*?"

The do as I say,not as I do thing caused me to leave the "Church"

anunitu
01 May 2017, 14:55
I should tell you that when at 13,I told my Mother I would not go to church,she called the police on me. I was threatened with Juvy(juvenile hall,kid jail) if I did not OBEY my Mother and go to Church. Said I was incorrigible for not doing as my Mother said,why I would face kids jail...You had to be there in the way back of 1960 California.

Be glad you live in THIS day and age.

callmeclemens
01 May 2017, 15:02
The rewards of spiritually are not immediate. That's probably number one. I think God or the divine becomes irrelevant when people live outside of their authentic selves.

anunitu
01 May 2017, 15:04
Where you been CallMe?,glad to see you back here.

callmeclemens
01 May 2017, 15:14
Where you been CallMe?,glad to see you back here.
Deployed, then got distracted.
Thanks, it's nice to be amongst kindred spirits again.

Corvus
02 May 2017, 08:32
I like how many of the comments are people basically saying "My church is different!" in response to the people noting intolerance and legitimate issues with much of Christianity and Christians. The self righteousness is ridiculous. You're not that important people.

As for the article itself, changing demographics are only threatening to those who are empowered, or exploiting their power, as an enfranchised majority. Perhaps we should consider why youngins are unsatisfied with the society and values of their forebears. An objective look at it will show that these previous social structures are exploitative and based on largely arbitrary inequality. Ironically enough, what is even Christian about it? Americanized Christianity is divorced from the word of Christ. It is instead a tool for social control and traditionalism, which may explain why it is conservatives who are so bothered by having any sort of competition.

Conservative agencies such as fox often put out articles like this in which they hold current society to an ideal which does not and has never existed because it is not about social improvement, it is about the upholding of fictional, and more moral, past. Simply put, this ideal and the idea of a good society, that is a godly society because of course it is, is more important than the actual lives of people and their feelings. Nostalgia and zealousness has given them blinders toward the attitudes and data which has been apparent. Dissatisfaction with an almighty, omnipresent, and often corrupt or exploitative philosophy is easy to understand if they could recognize that there's numerous factors besides religion that influence religion.

anunitu
02 May 2017, 10:41
You went very deep there Crow...interesting

Juniper
02 May 2017, 12:25
Americanized Christianity is divorced from the word of Christ. It is instead a tool for social control and traditionalism, which may explain why it is conservatives who are so bothered by having any sort of competition.


Having lived in both, [urban] US and [rural] Germany, I can say there's very little difference between the worship/word of christ in both places. The German town I grew up in was predominantly Catholic, with a few other minor denominations interspersed, yet their attitude toward people outside of their circles was not much different than that of the American Christians I've encountered since I've lived in the US, in multiple states on both coasts. I feel that you perhaps used too broad of a blanket statement when trying to make your point. Could you embellish a bit more on what you mean by Americanized Christianity and how you came to that conclusion?

B. de Corbin
02 May 2017, 12:43
Yeah... There are some sweeping generalizations in there. I have seen things that support them, but enough examples that don't, that those generalizations sit wrong.

However, I do agree with your take in Fox opinion artilces. The concept of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is far below the idea that "homogenaity is best, and life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are all fine and good, provided it is the life, liberty, and happiness we want you to pursuin'"

One of the reasons I started this thread is that an article like this makes it clear that this is the vision Fox promotes.

anunitu
02 May 2017, 12:48
I think I said it here before,it is not so much the religion as it is individuals. Bad can be from any belief if the person harbors the badness within themselves.

Like B. De. mentioned,general belief in bad in any system,does not allow for those who are truly good.

Corvus
02 May 2017, 16:52
Having lived in both, [urban] US and [rural] Germany, I can say there's very little difference between the worship/word of christ in both places. The German town I grew up in was predominantly Catholic, with a few other minor denominations interspersed, yet their attitude toward people outside of their circles was not much different than that of the American Christians I've encountered since I've lived in the US, in multiple states on both coasts. I feel that you perhaps used too broad of a blanket statement when trying to make your point. Could you embellish a bit more on what you mean by Americanized Christianity and how you came to that conclusion?

In my experience, the hyper-conservative mentality is often paired with a specific kind of religiousness that uses only the parts which support their agenda. Now this is obviously not exclusive to any religion, group, or institution, however it's the inclusion of this in secular power structures which sits wrong with me. It's not just that church and state should be separated, it's the idea some people believe church and state should remain together, not because of a true and full belief in the institution of the church, but as a method of upholding traditionalism and often exploitative power structures.

It's this idea that the good hardworking man pulls himself by his bootstraps and represents "wholesome american values". It's this specific image that conservative media in my country seems to love which seems to be impossible to remove from christianity. Not an issue with Christianity per say but, this very narrow version to which the empowered prescribe. It's not to say that Christianity is regressive or traditionalist, but to say that traditionalism (and often conservatism) in America are Christian, or influenced by this narrow modern Christianity. It's using the trappings of the faith as a way to appeal to others, many with genuine faith, while also instituting policy which is inherently harmful to the majority of the population.

Christianity is a tool, it could be any religion, used by these people to justify obviously harmful or deluded views. I believe that in many ways the far right are a danger to freedom in my country, and often their actions seem to be under the intention of creating a society based on this fictionalized idea of American morality, a morality which in many cases includes traditionalist thought that has been shaped by American culture and American Christianity. It's difficult to really say that Christianity has not been a major influence to formation of culture and politics in modern America.

For example, McCarthy would reference the morality, the Christian-ness, of America as a factor (among other reasons) as to why they were superior to the atheistic communists, using morality as a tool to spur xenophobia and patriotism. By no means was this the only method used, but this is a component which seems to show up again and again. It's a means of establishing an in-group for the purposes of perceived personal security. A drive for conformity is more likely to create group think and allow for easier manipulation. By creating an "us vs them" mentality those in power could justify (or at the very least distract from) the use of immoral and exploitative tactics. However, this tactic only functions when the wealthy can create an in-group which represents a majority. As demographics change and more people rebel against this homogeny, these groups are threatened because it's a blow to their ever shrinking "in-group". Creating an Us vs Them mentality is not conductive when one believes that "them" is beginning to outnumber and outpower the in-group.

I'm not sure if this is really coming across right. I've written both of these responses while in class so I'm a bit disheveled, and short of composing an actual essay I'm not sure how to really organize this. In short I believe that the far right has chosen to use Christianity because of it's ties to American culture and morality in order to develop power structures which serve to benefit them politically and financially, but this system fails as people reject the system upon which the premise is based.

Denarius
02 May 2017, 18:07
I consider myself to be a reactionary, rather than a conservative. I see both the (at least what most people consider) traditional and modern as being degenerate.

I see Christianity as a foreign ideology that is fundamentally globalist and deleterious to real western culture. "I'm a Christian first, American second" - Ted Cruz

The driving force of the cancer that is slave morality, or as Oswald Spengler put it “Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”

Chessa
02 May 2017, 19:13
They always make this out like secularism is being forced upon people who secretly want to be spiritual. Like, if it weren't for that time your kid joined the scouts instead of Awana, they'd be a Christian. But then they never stop to ask why secularism is rising in the first place (unless controlled by an invisible puppeteer).

If they really wanted to find the answer, the proper question is "Why are people going to public schools instead of $30,000 Christian schools", or "Why are we threatened by the idea of evolution, when Christian biologists are a thing?", or, "What about being told that everyone is scum just for being born js just so darn off-putting that they don't want us to tell them so every week?"

I've also noticed that the churches with shrinking and aging congregations want to save their church and bring in new blood, but don't want to do anything differently than it was done in the 70's, or pander to the youth they're trying to recruit.

B. de Corbin
03 May 2017, 01:57
They always make this out like secularism is being forced upon people who secretly want to be spiritual. Like, if it weren't for that time your kid joined the scouts instead of Awana, they'd be a Christian. But then they never stop to ask why secularism is rising in the first place (unless controlled by an invisible puppeteer).

If they really wanted to find the answer, the proper question is "Why are people going to public schools instead of $30,000 Christian schools", or "Why are we threatened by the idea of evolution, when Christian biologists are a thing?", or, "What about being told that everyone is scum just for being born js just so darn off-putting that they don't want us to tell them so every week?"

I've also noticed that the churches with shrinking and aging congregations want to save their church and bring in new blood, but don't want to do anything differently than it was done in the 70's, or pander to the youth they're trying to recruit.

As per the original article, doing something new, instead of toughening up the rules is a part of the problem. And, yes - I absolutely agree that those who fit this model are NOT asking the right questions. What I wonder is whether this is intentional - asking the right questions might give them answers they don't want to hear, or are they just so one sided that they can't see that there are questions that will give them the answer?

Corvus - outstanding analysis of a certain type of conservative-Christian. The way I see it, for certain types, this is spot on.

P.S. Interesting historical note: Isn't this what the original break between Christianity a Judeism was about? Following the "laws" vs. the joy of spirituality?

callmeclemens
03 May 2017, 02:42
In regards to the state of Christianity in the United States, I think The Vatican plans to unite Christianity under the Holy See is working. I am being to lazy to pull up the pew survey, but since the election of Francis for the first time in years the largest denomination of "Christians" in the USA are self declared "Catholic" .

I think if you look at the History of the NRA in the US you'll see a lot of large congregation denominations taking the same route as them, become political action organizations.

ThePaganMafia
03 May 2017, 06:57
I consider myself to be a reactionary, rather than a conservative. I see both the (at least what most people consider) traditional and modern as being degenerate.

I see Christianity as a foreign ideology that is fundamentally globalist and deleterious to real western culture. "I'm a Christian first, American second" - Ted Cruz

The driving force of the cancer that is slave morality, or as Oswald Spengler put it “Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”

Bolshevism is a largely atheist movement that shares some vague parallels with Christian theology such as workers liberation and the elimination of the upper class. Almost of all which is based off the works of Marx, Engels, and later Lenin. It's a pretty large stretch.

anunitu
03 May 2017, 07:13
“Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.” I think perhaps this means in a way that the "Christian theology" in its bad acts,drove the people to Bolshevism as an act of escape from the controlling forces of religion.

My take on the quote.

I myself have issues with "Political theology" and "religious theology",and I mean the absolute drive of some groups to alter our society to their own ends. Not to better the lives of all peoples.

Denarius
03 May 2017, 12:22
I see the fundamental connection being one of underlying values, in both cases being inverted from natural values. As Nietzsche put it, slave morality, the product of ressentiment. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_morality)

http://i.imgur.com/rcyli67.png

anunitu
03 May 2017, 14:32
So,just one question. How does this effect the belief in religious "Gods"?,I am not sure where you are going with this.

Medusa
03 May 2017, 23:53
Maybe millennials can just effing read.