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iris
13 Aug 2018, 03:55
https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusiness/videos/2071363799847623/
Ok i didn't know which thread to put this in without derailing anything. So... fox has an interesting take on Denmark and socialism... apparently no-one here wants to work. And imagine not being in debt for the rest of your life to take an education :o oh no, right? Gotta correct some stuff...
There's too much so I won't catch it all.
Yes. The high tax thing is true. But it's our social security network. I can take an education and not have to worry about where my next meal is coming from, we can focus on learning (and we cant study forever as they claim. There is a set limit for how long you can claim money studying. There are also requirements for passing exams and attending classes).
I have free access to doctors and hospitals, about 80% of my shrink bill is covered for me. if I get sick I will never have to worry about paying my medical bills. If I lose my job i can get help sustaining myself and finding a new one. If I lose my home, I can get help.
My grandmother gets help with shopping and cleaning for free, and a nurse comes to her home every morning to help with her diabetes medication.
That's just the tax. The car thing isn't true. Though the taxes are high, they're environmental taxes. Something we care a lot about.
The one with the muncipalieties is hilarious. I'm guessing they count everyone, not just the ones who are actually old or young enough to work cause we have the lowest unemployment rates in years.
Anyway. I felt like I had to adress some of this bulls**t.

B. de Corbin
13 Aug 2018, 04:18
Since Fox argues based on theory, rather than evidence, it isn't particularly strange that their theory doesn't actually match reality.

It's also much easier to make a point like that - ya don't have to mess with icky stuff like data.

MaskedOne
13 Aug 2018, 06:59
Generally, the way to tell that a Fox opinion host is wrong due to stupidity or outright lying is to see if their lips are moving.

iris
13 Aug 2018, 11:12
Oh I know. It's fox. But there are still people who'd fall for it. If there's even a small chance they'd read another take (you know. A qualified one) I feel like I have to give it a shot.

Small correction. The 57% income tax is only for high incomes. The more you make the more you can give. That's socialism I guess. But generally the people who make more are fine footing a bit more e of the bill, cause the system they're paying into is the one tgat allowed them to get where they are.

Prickly Pear
13 Aug 2018, 15:38
Am I remembering correctly that a few years ago Fox reported that Birmingham, UK was completely under Sharia Law?

anunitu
13 Aug 2018, 15:41
Fox is full of BS.

iris
13 Aug 2018, 16:16
Am I remembering correctly that a few years ago Fox reported that Birmingham, UK was completely under Sharia Law?

I don't know about that. I've heard more than once that Sweden is though, overrun by evil Muslim overlords almost... I'll take a guess that maybe that's them too..

anunitu
13 Aug 2018, 16:18
Fox is a very bad joke!!

Niorien
14 Aug 2018, 13:13
I've learned to take everything Fox states with a grain of salt (or 10). I love Denmark's socialism, and the fact that Denmark scores consistently high in international surveys when it comes to the happiness of its people is a great sign that it works. I would move there in a heartbeat! (I was born and raised in Holland, and we're not doing too shabby either. ;))

heylel shalem
23 Aug 2018, 22:31
5301<------fake news is fake
i keep hpping that my country will wake up someday and follow sweden or denmark or hell even norways example (three of the highest rated countrys in the world for happiness) but you know we still think that socialism is a dirty word here :(

BTW i would be more then happy to pay more taxes to live in a country like denmark because in the long run it ends up being cheaper when you do the math.

anunitu
23 Aug 2018, 23:53
unless you are my age or older,you might not know that tax on high income used to be(under Eisenhower) was around 90 percent.

see here. (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/bernie-s/income-tax-rates-were-90-percent-under-eisenhower-/)

and some bitch when it is now about 30-40 percent at most.

Prickly Pear
24 Aug 2018, 06:24
BTW i would be more then happy to pay more taxes to live in a country like denmark because in the long run it ends up being cheaper when you do the math.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Healthcare for instance. Increase in taxes, sure. But decrease in overall health spending. In the current US system, it is set up so that an employee pays a hefty premium, plus now some hefty out of pocket costs. The employer also pays a hefty premium-so even though most people know that they are paying a lot, they don't necessarily see that they insurance company gets about twice what the employee pays. Plus so many middle-man costs. As it is now, so many companies are trying to reduce the number of insurance eligible employees, which means that the employee needs to scramble for insurance, and also for enough work hours to support themselves.