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heylel shalem
22 Aug 2018, 17:23
I am what you call a gnostic luciferian. MY system of spirituality kinda works similarly to gnostic christianity where the abrahamic god is the real evil that is trying to distract us from the real god that is to me essentially the universe (we are all characters in the true gods dream), and that jesus is essentially a morning star or lucifer (light bringer) that came to bring us gnosis..or actual experiential knowledge of divinty and our own semi-divine nature. I believe that jesus was'nt the only one who became a lucifer and that throughout history all throughout the world there have been plenty of other "lucifers" that appeared that have risen in direct opposition to the demiuge to help bring humanity out of its dark state of spiritual ignorance and disconnection to the divine. And through study of said figures and sacred text and magickal works one can find connection with their own divine self and develop an understanding of the true godhood and form a connection and relationship with the true godhead to work on evolving to their own sort of "angel" or higher being. I am not a literalist but i believe in the power of the metaphor especially when it comes to gnosticism and the left hand path. Though i consider my take on luciferianism to be a white light practice..part of my practice is using my own knowledge as a "light bringer" to help others on their path and to do my best to illumine their souls and help guide people to the light...though i do still practice some "Black" magick when it comes to dealing with the powers that be and others that would chose to do me harm. I generally practice the golden rule "do as thou wilt harm none"..however i do believe that its important to be in touch with ones dark and primal side including our primal will and instincts..and learning how to channel and use my dark side as a way to invoke my will and enact vengence against those who would do harm against me or others i love. that side is represented by the yang to lucifers ying SATAN in the context of the archetype of the adversary which came down to earth in the godheads will to test the worth of humanity and to punish the wicked and to cull the flock of denegrate beings.

MaskedOne
22 Aug 2018, 18:44
Currently active LHP board members are relatively rare. We do have a few though. Whether or not any of them would consider themselves Luciferan...

Ehh, I'll let them speak for themselves as they drop by. My understanding of nuance among LHP practices and traditions is very, very limited.

heylel shalem
22 Aug 2018, 19:08
huh, havent been on forums for a while and such.used to talk to a lot of other luciferians back in the day. its ok i have other interests that seem to have a lot of active participants on here :)

Rae'ya
22 Aug 2018, 19:38
We have two currently active Theistic Satanists, but one lives in Europe and the other in Australia so bear with them on response times :)

We also have two Demonolotors. And various other LHPers pop up from time to time, including other Luciferians. It's been a long time since I read any Luciferian works and I admit that I resonate more with ha-Satan than with Lucifer... but I am sworn to a different deity altogether and these days I probably shouldn't claim the title of Demonolator even though I do work with several Geotic Demons on a semi-regular basis.

Torey
23 Aug 2018, 00:10
I'm a Theistic Satanist and Demonolator, so I'm not a Luciferian, but I thought I would chime in since there are so few of us here...

Sean R. R.
23 Aug 2018, 01:12
Hello, I'm a Theistic Satanist as well.

Here's a link to a blog written by a Luciferian who is a very good friend of mine. He speaks about many, many subjects, and not only spirituality. But it is ALWAYS a good read. https://mythoughtsbornfromfire.wordpress.com/

Your philosophical/spiritual résumé is interesting, but after reading I have some questions:

What makes it LHP for you? After all you're taking a rather white light approach to it, and while LHP doesn't necessarily dwell exclusively on the dark side of the path, you do work on a reinterpretation of good and evil from sacred texts, notably the Bible (like equating Lucifer with Christ).

Also when you say "part of my practice is using my own knowledge as a "light bringer" to help others on their path and to do my best to illumine their souls and help guide people to the light" is this practice limited to other practitioners of your path, or do you try to guide people outside your religion into it, or even try to guide people to the goals of their respective religions? There is a lot of room for interpretation here, but that is awfully "nice" and could even seem dogmatic or moralist to say the least. It would be nice if you could clear up these issues for me :)

Last and not least: Your form of Luciferianism is one I have not seen before, would you mind detailing more about your pantheon and specific philosophy? Thanks!

heylel shalem
23 Aug 2018, 06:34
"What makes it LHP for you? After all you're taking a rather white light approach to it, and while LHP doesn't necessarily dwell exclusively on the dark side of the path, you do work on a reinterpretation of good and evil from sacred texts, notably the Bible (like equating Lucifer with Christ)."

Well in "traditional" satanism its a sort of inversion of x-tianity. the form of luciferianism is no different really, just goes farther in countering judeo x-tian theology by staking a claim that lucifer was not just a good guy but that the abrahamic god is really a demon set to enslave humanity and keep it blind. like i said i take a ying/yang approach to my understanding of lucifer i mean yeah it may sort of initially have a "white light" approach but its definately not a fluffy bunny kinda philosophy. you know light has a specturm and in its extreme goes purely into darkness..and so does lucifer to me. Thats why i incorporate satan in my practice as an archetype that way i can have a more diverse and "powerful practice". Also being that luciferianism tends to revolve around the concept that the world is a byproduct of a maniacal demon and that the only way to find peace is a contrary lifestyle i find that to be very LHP as well...railing against conformity and empowering individual godhood to me is a very satanic and noble practice. SO yeah i still consider myself to be very LHP and I still have some very "evil" practices like demonology and black magick that i incorporate into my own personal "paradigm" , i follow the golden rule and do practice helping out others along their path..but those are only people i deem acceptable and have the potential enough to evolve spiritually. But yeah that kinda falls in line with the whole enchilada...a luciferian is not required in their practices to reach out and help people but a lot i have talked to who follow similar paths find its their duty to do a little good..like commiting an act of kindness is a revolutionary act..and we luciferians tend to love revolution and upheaval. we love stirring shit up and causing chaos to good ends..and sometimes just purely out of amusement or selfish wants but mainly for a greater "good".



"Also when you say "part of my practice is using my own knowledge as a "light bringer" to help others on their path and to do my best to illumine their souls and help guide people to the light" is this practice limited to other practitioners of your path, or do you try to guide people outside your religion into it, or even try to guide people to the goals of their respective religions? There is a lot of room for interpretation here, but that is awfully "nice" and could even seem dogmatic or moralist to say the least. It would be nice if you could clear up these issues for me"


Just in general i guess it goes back for me to the book of genesis where satan trys to help adam and eve find their godhood by gifting them the fruit of wisdom. kind of ironic I think but spreading wisdom or helping to enlighten people can be a satanic act. "god" wants to keep us ignorant and in the dark about our own divinity..he doesnt want us to reach that potential. I havent had any "initiates" in years though i used to run my own little temple in my garage of my house and we used to work on luciferian "ascension" rituals and such..and we'd of course as a group have our homework of various religious texts that would help with our ascension to "godhood". No too luciferians that i've talked to on the internet seem to have the exact same philosophy or path..even within the label i take on "gnostic luciferian" others i have talked to have a far more theistic satanist sort of perspective..some are more agnostic and view lucifer alone as more of just an archetype to emulate and to work on "becoming". I DO tend to do my own sort of charity work though as well. i have people in my community that i watch over and do my best to help out along their path in life..some of which have fallen prey to drug addiction..others just to the usual pitfalls of poverty. I don't do it because i feel an "obligation" because of my craft...however i do feel that doing so is a natural progression from where i am coming from. Its kind of a selfish thing for me because i find fullfillment in helping others reach their potential..though i also tend to benefit in some way materially or otherwise from this practice..my karrma tends to get paid back by the universe. People tend to invest in you when you invest in them and it ends up being a sort of two way street sometimes and that helps to strengthen my own path in the long run. But yeah i like to spread the light. infect people with the light. its a revolutionary act and im all about rebellion and revolution and countering societys biases towards people stuck on the fringes as I am.



"Last and not least: Your form of Luciferianism is one I have not seen before, would you mind detailing more about your pantheon and specific philosophy? Thanks!


Well there are no real texts specifically on my own form of luciferianism. A long while ago a bunch of us like minded luciferians who met on various occult forums formed our own forum and then sort of worked out the details of it..but yeah even others who claim to be gnostic luciferians have very dramatically different beliefs..because what it all tends to boil down to is interpriting various religious and spiritual texts to "find" lucifer in it. I myself read a lot of gnostic texts as well as am very heavy into eastern philosophy and mind expanding techniques through them. developed my own sort of system of magick based on the lucifer archetype. but yeah its pretty basic. there are quite a few texts out there that come across as "luciferian" to me and so i tend to horde books that have that luciferian vibe to it for me...it tends to be very broad..and my practice involves doing a lot of research as there is not a lot of material out there that specifically addresses my path. But thats what i kinda like about it is that I can build up my own practice and the tech i use is all stuff i have researched and tested for my own use and fits me very well and tends to be a lot more effective in practice. Its definately not an armchair occult practice. I try to apply my philosophy to every day life and to all the interactions i have with society..especially when dealing with authority. One of these days i mean to get around to writing my own sort of "sacred texts" about lucifer just to see if i can flesh it out and such..which actually is a very gnostic thing to do because the ancient gnostics used to gauge a persons "gnosis" or spiritual evolution on how they can sythesis their faith. im not sure if i have answered all your questions but yeah if i didnt i guess ask those ones again.

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as far as the patheon it basically boils down to

yahweh-the evil demon who asserted himself as "god" and enslaved the world with his false religion.
lucifer-a servant of the true "god" who's called to free humanity from their chains and help them find their inner divinty gifted to them by the true godhead
the godhead- a force or intelligence behind the universe. we are the creatures of the godheads created "dream" which is the universe. the godhead represents both masculine and feminine energys and has a balance of dark and light.
satan- is the dark manifest of lucifer as an archetype...sort of lucifers alter ego..the adversary set by yahweh to test humanitys loyalty and to punish those yahweh deemed wicked...satan revolted and set up his own kingdom within abadon or the abyss. trying his best to help humanity rebel from its cruel master.

and of course the whole idea of angels and demons fal into play..sorry if this is too simple an explanation..

MaskedOne
23 Aug 2018, 06:55
heylel, I cleaned up some formatting in your post and removed what appears to have been a merged double post from the end. Be careful about color tags. Not all colors are easy to read in all themes. If you use the wrong tag or if you copy something into the editor from a place that uses specific colors then you can accidentally make your post mostly illegible to half the site.

heylel shalem
23 Aug 2018, 07:08
heylel, I cleaned up some formatting in your post and removed what appears to have been a merged double post from the end. Be careful about color tags. Not all colors are easy to read in all themes. If you use the wrong tag or if you copy something into the editor from a place that uses specific colors then you can accidentally make your post mostly illegible to half the site.

ok thank you i will keep that in mind when i post.

Sean R. R.
23 Aug 2018, 07:28
Thank you, I had all the answers I was looking for concerning your path :) Really cool that you took the time to write it all down.

DavidMcCann
23 Aug 2018, 08:36
This is a really useful and timely thread for me! I spent ages last week trying to find the difference between Satanism and Luciferianism and not getting very far. It seems that Luciferians should be on the endangerd species list. Obviously the claim that the world was created by a "maniacal demon" is Gnostic. Are there any non-Gnostic Luciferians?

I must also admit to always having been a bit baffled by "LHP". I know exactly what that means in a Hindu context, but the transfer to the west is a puzzle, since the usage has changed so radically over the last century. I suppost that most people today would say that Crowley was LHP, yet he (following Blavatsky) used LHP as term of abuse! I suppose most people who count themselves as LHP would assign (consign?) me to the RHP, but I find Satanism far more compatible with my religion than (say) Wicca is.

Sean R. R.
23 Aug 2018, 08:46
This is a really useful and timely thread for me! I spent ages last week trying to find the difference between Satanism and Luciferianism and not getting very far. It seems that Luciferians should be on the endangerd species list. Obviously the claim that the world was created by a "maniacal demon" is Gnostic. Are there any non-Gnostic Luciferians?

I must also admit to always having been a bit baffled by "LHP". I know exactly what that means in a Hindu context, but the transfer to the west is a puzzle, since the usage has changed so radically over the last century. I suppost that most people today would say that Crowley was LHP, yet he (following Blavatsky) used LHP as term of abuse! I suppose most people who count themselves as LHP would assign (consign?) me to the RHP, but I find Satanism far more compatible with my religion than (say) Wicca is.

The translaion of LHP to the west is a complete mess, I'll give you that. But after reading some of Crowleys work, I am more intended to say that it is mainly RHP with some LHP elements here and there, but I wouldn't use Crowley as an example of LHP in the west, never.

The main philosophical difference between Luciferianism and Satanism is, as I understand it, the fact that L's will have a more Balance of different elements to create equilibrium kind of approach, and Satanism has a more chaotic nuance view of existence, where there is no real balance to be achieved.

The Luciferian friend's blog I posted is non-Gnostic.

Bear in mind that the RHP-LHP is entirely a Hindu concept and when exported out of this system to try and label other systems it isn't as easy. For the sake of simplicity, and for the fact that it would be completely arbitrary to be more specific for that, I consider RHP to be where "The mundane serves the divine" and LHP "the divine serves the mundane".

Prickly Pear
23 Aug 2018, 09:52
That is a really good explanation of your beliefs. I'm not left-hand path, but this thread is really helpful in beginning to understand.Thank you.

anunitu
23 Aug 2018, 14:47
this whole concept pisses my daughter off,she being left handed,she hates the left hand being evil image.

I understand why it bothers her,it is also historical that left handed children were abused and feared in the past.

my own mother was a left handed child,forced to be right handed by her parents. I think it messed her up .

Sean R. R.
23 Aug 2018, 15:39
this whole concept pisses my daughter off,she being left handed,she hates the left hand being evil image.

I understand why it bothers her,it is also historical that left handed children were abused and feared in the past.

my own mother was a left handed child,forced to be right handed by her parents. I think it messed her up .

In the west, Right Hand and Left Hand (Diestra et Siniestra in latin) have connotations of Good and Evil. However anunitu, this is not the case in LHP and RHP. Here it is more of a thing pertaining to the concept of relationship to deity and the value of both mundane and divine.

Bartmanhomer
23 Aug 2018, 16:01
Well it's obvious that I'm not an LHPer. Although I'm always interested of LHP. :)

Sean R. R.
23 Aug 2018, 16:10
Well it's obvious that I'm not an LHPer. Although I'm always interested of LHP. :)

It's a different take on the same issue, that issue being what our relationship to the divine is. Is the mundane here to serve as a trial for the divine to come? Are we servers to the divine? Or is it the opposite? Is the divine an opportunity to make the mundane better? Is the divine a mere tool of the mundane?

Bartmanhomer
23 Aug 2018, 16:17
It's a different take on the same issue, that issue being what our relationship to the divine is. Is the mundane here to serve as a trial for the divine to come? Are we servers to the divine? Or is it the opposite? Is the divine an opportunity to make the mundane better? Is the divine a mere tool of the mundane?

Yes I understand that. And many other belief systems aren't as opened to the LHP. Most belief systems view the LHP as dark and evil. Which I don't see as dark and evil.

anunitu
23 Aug 2018, 16:42
I think I might understand from this,being brought up SDA,it was always "your personal Jesus" thing where "HE" is always at your beck and call,where as it was pointed out to me,other christian groups see Jesus or God as only to be served,and your own personal needs as not their problem,this was told to me by a person with the other perspective about gods. am I close here?

Bartmanhomer
23 Aug 2018, 16:48
I think I might understand from this,being brought up SDA,it was always "your personal Jesus" thing where "HE" is always at your beck and call,where as it was pointed out to me,other christian groups see Jesus or God as only to be served,and your own personal needs as not their problem,this was told to me by a person with the other perspective about gods. am I close here?

You're absolutely right. :)

heylel shalem
23 Aug 2018, 18:50
It's a different take on the same issue, that issue being what our relationship to the divine is. Is the mundane here to serve as a trial for the divine to come? Are we servers to the divine? Or is it the opposite? Is the divine an opportunity to make the mundane better? Is the divine a mere tool of the mundane?

I really like this explanation. I think that LHP is definately a lot more hands on and involved process of understanding what "divinity" and "divine forces" are..you know instead of having your path dictated to you its more of a visceral experience where if successful you learn ...to me anyways..a more revelatory experience. I myself am not hardwired towards conformity and have tried more "traditional" forms of magick like of course aleister crowelys system and the golden dawn..but i found the structure to be too limiting..and on the opposite side of the spectrum i found things like chaos magick to be far too loose and liberal.. kinda reminds me of the political wings left and right though i am very far left when it comes to political issues...one thing I found in crowely that i liked a lot was his drive to push past taboos and push envelopes..i think thats why he got kicked out of the golden dawn because he really was good at mastering a great deal of magickal systems and incorporating to them all but he always put his own spin on it and was not apparently reverential enough about the "paths" that were laid out for him by said magickal orders. But i mean I guess i was kinda ignorant or naive to the fact that within magick their can be just as much of a sort of stuffy conservatism ironically like most religions..which even in most religions they have their sort of "anarchistic" sects for those who can't just easily buy into dogma and/or ritual without first you know diving in and testing it.

I guess i never really put a great deal of thought in trying to pin a definition on what LHP means to me I guess i kinda pulled my own from the ether so to speak. words like contrarian and individualist come to mind, because it tends to have a sort of self centric vibe to it. RHP to me really downplays the need to empower the self. and please correct me if im wrong but I find it to be far too rigid to me. I am a rabid lone wolf. i like to make my own rules and follow my own will, i dont like to be told what to do and I dont generally just accept and digest anything just because others subscribe to it.

i found this description of left hand path on wikipedia and it seems to be very vauge. still trying to find some sort of thing online that might give a bit more comprehensive explanation..i know its out there lol.

Left-Hand Path[edit] (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path&action=edit&section=3)

The historian Dave Evans studied self-professed followers of the Left-Hand Path in the early 21st century, making several observations about their practices:


They often reject societal convention and the status quo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo), which some suggest is in a search for spiritual freedom. As a part of this, LHP followers embrace magical techniques that would traditionally be viewed astaboo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo), for instance using sex magic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_magic) or embracing Satanic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism) imagery.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path#cite_note-evans-1):197 As Mogg Morgan wrote, the "breaking of taboos makes magic more potent and can lead to reintegration and liberation, [for example] the eating of meat in a vegetarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian) community can have the same liberating effect as anal intercourse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_intercourse) in a sexually inhibited straight society."[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path#cite_note-5)
They often question religious or moral dogma (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma), instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path#cite_note-evans-1):198
They often embrace sexuality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality) and incorporate it into magical ritual.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path#cite_note-evans-1):205


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I think I might understand from this,being brought up SDA,it was always "your personal Jesus" thing where "HE" is always at your beck and call,where as it was pointed out to me,other christian groups see Jesus or God as only to be served,and your own personal needs as not their problem,this was told to me by a person with the other perspective about gods. am I close here?

this is very close to how i view lucifer. Yes, he is a sort of archetype to emulate but he is also a force to call on. i mean i am no literalist but the metaphor becomes a very powerful veicle to power ones implementation of will (in the croweleyan sense). I myself dont understand when religion only seems to have more of a one side relationship. God always asking what we can do for him. give him our minds, our hearts, our money, our children all kind of add up to me as giving up the core of who we are to conform to this egotistical master who gets to dictate the rules no matter how unfair and does'nt even bother to explain to us the reasoning behind it..maybe this is my sort of jaded teenager coming out but I spent a great deal of my youth until i was 23 years old stuck in that world of fundamentalism...as a natural born cynic this was very hard to me. I once was allowed to preach in church once when i was younger (imagine that) and i ended up really pissing off a lot of people because i kinda sort of half mentioned that not only did jesus want to come and help us get what we want out of life he wanted to show us how we can be like him...I was a pariah at my fathers church for years lol..i mean how dare i say that anybody could become like jesus..lol.

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Torey
24 Aug 2018, 00:19
I wrote a somewhat lengthy article (http://infernaldialogues.blogspot.com/2013/04/left-hand-paths-vs-right-hand-paths.html)many years ago around my thoughts and observations on some of the differences between the Left and Right -Hand paths:


CONCEPT: The Self, The Person As An Individual.



RIGHT HAND PATH: Typically regards the Self as spiritual in nature. However, a tendency exists to heavily separate concerns of the Ego from concerns of the True Will or Higher Self. Magick and acts for the purpose of self-attainment, self-gain and self-provision are generally viewed as indulgent, wasteful, selfish and in accordance with the desires of the Ego.



LEFT HAND PATH: Typically regards the Self as worthy of worship and elevation. Concerns of the Ego and of the True Will are typically not separated, as they are regarded as one in the same. Magick and acts for the purpose of self-attainment, self-gain and self-provision are almost universally viewed as natural and are condoned and encouraged. The desires of the Ego are readily indulged in the belief that the Self is worthy of indulgence.


CONCEPT: The Divine, "God", Spirit



RIGHT HAND PATH: Typically regards the Divine/God/Spirit as omniscient, transcendent and sentient. Relationships with a personal Deity are nurtured through worship, prayer and ritual. Divine guidance is sought for the understanding of the True Will. Divine aid is called upon in most common practices. The Ego is inferior to the Spirit or Higher Self and must be overcome for the soul to perfect itself through life experiences.



​​LEFT HAND PATH: Sometimes regards the Divine/God/Spirit as omniscient, transcendent and sentient. May be Atheistic in approach to Deity with a pronounced emphasis on the idea of the Self, the Ego, as Deity incarnate. May often view the Self, the Ego, as part of a greater Source of Spirit, co-existing with sentient godforms and entities (Deities) - however, typically regarding the Self, the Ego, the Human Spirit to be equal to or greater than other sentient godforms and entities (Deities).


CONCEPT: Ethics, Dogma, Codes of Behavior



RIGHT HAND PATH: Typically observes some form of dogmatic 'moral code' or system of ethics wherein the individual is expected, to some degree, to abstain from those activities, acts, behaviors and magickal workings which indulge the Ego or the individual in favor of more altruistic approaches. Often regards acts of indulgence as abetting the wasteful desires of the imperfect Ego. Typically holds to rigid ideals and societal expectations.




​LEFT HAND PATH: Typically denounces most forms of dogmatic 'moral codes' or systems of ethics which suppress the individual and/or the Ego. Commonly favors those activities, acts, behaviors and magickal workings which promote and condone the indulgence of the Self, the Ego. Generally believes that there is 'no such thing as a selfless act'. Does not regard the desires of the Ego as wasteful and/or deviating from any 'True Will' as the Ego is typically believed to be the same as the True Will, Higher Self. May or may not disregard rigid ideals and societal expectations.


CONCEPT: Obedience to a Higher Power or Will



RIGHT HAND PATH: Generally adheres to some sense of inferiority to Spirit, The Divine, God, Higher Will. May or may not observe an obedience to the 'Will of the Universe' or to a pre-destined 'fate'. May or may not regard Deity, Spirit as being more aware of what is 'best' for the individual and for mankind.




​LEFT HAND PATH: Generally rejects adherence to any sense of inferiority to Spirit, The Divine, God, Higher Will. Typically regards the Self as 'Godlike' or 'equal to God', thus being the supreme authority in regards to the needs of the individual and of mankind. Commonly rejects obedience to any Deity.


CONCEPT: Retribution and Karma



RIGHT HAND PATH: Typically accepts some idea of Cosmic Justice, Karma, Karmic Retribution, Threefold Law as a Universal and supernatural means of Divine law and order. Additionally, may or may not believe in the concept of polar opposites of 'positive' and 'negative', 'good' and 'evil'.




​LEFT HAND PATH: May or may not adhere to the idea of Cosmic Justic, Karma, Karmic Retribution, Threefold Law as a Universal and supernatural means of Divine law and order, although, if adhering to the concept, regards it as exoteric. Typically does not adhere to any concept of polar opposites of 'positive' and 'negative', 'good' and 'evil'.


CONCEPT: Happiness and Spiritual Fulfillment



RIGHT HAND PATH: Generally believes that happiness and spiritual perfection, fulfillment come from 'good' and/or altruistic deeds. May or may not believe that true salvation/happiness/spiritual fulfillment is only attainable through transcendence of the material plane.




​LEFT HAND PATH: Generally believes that happiness and spiritual perfection, fulfillment are solely the responsibility of the individual in each lifetime. Typically discards the belief in salvation by means of 'good' and/or altruistic deeds which result in spiritual reward.


CONCEPT: Material Wealth and Indulgence



RIGHT HAND PATH: Typically believes that material wealth and indulgences are solely 'fodder' for the wasteful desires of the Ego. Generally conforms to the idea of the material plane as being a place of tests and hardships, a place to learn from and to eventually rise above.

​LEFT HAND PATH: Typically believes that material wealth and indulgences are necessary for the happiness and contentment of the individual, the Ego as the individual is responsible for his or her own happiness and spiritual reward. Generally rejects beliefs that the material plane is a place of tests and hardships, a place to learn from and eventually rise above, instead adhering to the idea that life is what the individual makes it - that mankind is the master of his own destiny

DavidMcCann
24 Aug 2018, 08:33
I wrote a somewhat lengthy article (http://infernaldialogues.blogspot.com/2013/04/left-hand-paths-vs-right-hand-paths.html)many years ago around my thoughts and observations on some of the differences between the Left and Right -Hand paths:




Interesting! I'm amused to see that, of your seven points, I agree with LHP in four and I'n neutral on three. Does that make me LHP? I suspect that many Heathen might get a similar result.

Torey
24 Aug 2018, 19:49
Interesting! I'm amused to see that, of your seven points, I agree with LHP in four and I'n neutral on three. Does that make me LHP? I suspect that many Heathen might get a similar result.

:)

I think that it really illustrates the point that very few of us, regardless of path, are "one or the other", but are, instead, a blend of both.

anunitu
24 Aug 2018, 20:27
Who you calling a BLEND? well maybe just a little:confused:

pragon
25 Aug 2018, 05:01
I wouldn't say I am a Luciferian, but I did conduct some rituals in the past to Lucifer. I'm a bit two-sided when it comes to working with Lucifer. This could be because I used to be a very devoted Christian in my past. I am still having trouble getting over some of the fears of my past. For example: eternal torment and Satan at work to deceive the world. You can thank all the YouTube conspiracy videos for that. Some people say that Satan and Lucifer are two different beings. I really don't know. Once again, I am two-sided. I don't really know the origins. Maybe its metaphorical. It's different for everybody. Anyhow, I remember when I finally told the Holy Spirit to get lost. I said your the true evil one. Satan is good! I always thought I committed the unpardonable sin by doing so. I was told to study more. I did so. I read the bible and its quite amazing how one can read "Genesis" and automatically see how Satan or the devil is not the enemy. The serpent offered Eve wisdom and knowledge of good and evil. Everything God made, he saw as good. So how could the serpent conduct an evil act? Genesis 3:4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:22 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Become like us? Who is us? This sounds so wrong. The serpent was totally right! Here is the proof right here! Here is my favorite Genesis verse. It is Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. God repented? What in the world is going on? Lol! Tell that one to the church. All this in just reading the first 6 chapters of Genesis. Anyhow, let me not get off topic. As far as Lucifer goes, I recently looked up the Egyptian God "Ptah". I wanted to conduct a ritual to him and was looking up how to do so. I came across a site that said he is Enki or Lucifer. He goes by many names and I was like what the! You mean to tell me that Ptah is Lucifer? I'm so confused. Can anyone help me out here. Thanks. I think the site was called Angelfire or something like that.

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I'm not sure why my essay seems written off, but here is the rest of what I wrote: “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:22 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Become like us? Who is us? This sounds so wrong. The serpent was totally right! Here is the proof right here! Here is my favorite Genesis verse. It is Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. God repented? What in the world is going on? Lol! Tell that one to the church. All this in just reading the first 6 chapters of Genesis. Anyhow, let me not get off topic. As far as Lucifer goes, I recently looked up the Egyptian God "Ptah". I wanted to conduct a ritual to him and was looking up how to do so. I came across a site that said he is Enki or Lucifer. He goes by many names and I was like what the! You mean to tell me that Ptah is Lucifer? I'm so confused. Can anyone help me out here. Thanks. I think the site was called Angelfire or something like that.

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Is it because I copy and pasted? I didn't mean to steal anybodies work online. I just wanted to copy the bible verses and that is all. Sorry if I made a mistake.

Prickly Pear
25 Aug 2018, 09:43
I suspect it is because you copied and pasted a text that was not black on a white background. That doesn't work well with the themes most PF users use.

Juniper
25 Aug 2018, 12:38
Is it because I copy and pasted? I didn't mean to steal anybodies work online. I just wanted to copy the bible verses and that is all. Sorry if I made a mistake.

I edited the color out of your post. If you copy and paste, please review your post before submitting it, so that you can see when colors or fonts don't match up. Many of us use dark themes so reading copy/pasted material is difficult.

For future reference, always cite a source or sources for any copy/pasted or otherwise referenced material. Plagiarism - whether intended or not - is against forum rules and can result in being banned from the forum. We have a whole paragraph on this in our Forum Rules (http://www.paganforum.com/showthread.php?9562-Forum-Rules-and-FAQ).

Torey
25 Aug 2018, 22:45
I came across a site that said he is Enki or Lucifer. He goes by many names and I was like what the! You mean to tell me that Ptah is Lucifer? I'm so confused. Can anyone help me out here. Thanks. I think the site was called Angelfire or something like that.

Those of a more syncretic or soft polytheist inclination will always postulate that one deity is equatable to another through all manner of "connections" (similar mythologies, similar names, names translated into different languages, Gematria, etc.). Personally, I don't believe that Ptah = "Lucifer" = Enk, etc., but I'm a hard polytheist...

Sean R. R.
26 Aug 2018, 23:44
Concerning your definition of LHP, Torey: Man I'm 100% LHP haha.

Sean the Edgy Lord, you may call me now.

Angelfire is not a site per se, but a hosting service, much like Wix, Wordpress or whatever.

Also its not impossible for Hard Polytheists to also equate certain deities with one another. For instance I believe Lucifer is one of several Satans.

Rae'ya
27 Aug 2018, 03:41
Also its not impossible for Hard Polytheists to also equate certain deities with one another. For instance I believe Lucifer is one of several Satans.

The difference here being that ha-Satan is a title rather than a single deity. Whether or not Lucifer carries that title is debatable, depending on who you talk to... I have seen opinions both ways, from both Satanists and Luciferians. And then Demonolators have their own theories about Satan and Lucifer. I haven't been active in the community for a while now but the different distinctions are quite fascinating.

anunitu
02 Dec 2018, 08:12
LUCIFERIAN DOCTRINE explained by Hans Wilhelm found this video on youtube,and thought lhp would fint it interesting.


https://youtu.be/dMHgm9C-sEU

heylel shalem
03 Dec 2018, 17:04
thank you for that link it was very informative