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Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 15:48
I'm 29 years old and I was a drug addict for many years starting when I was 15. I've been to jail multiple times and even been to state prison just for being an addict in possesion of drugs to many times. Now my brain chemicals are imbalanced I've had to take antipsychotics and goto therapy. I can not get a job because I never learned a skill when I was young and now I have a criminal record full of drug felonys. The whole life I thought I was going to have as a kid was taken from me beca use I became a drug addict and society will not forgive me. I have friends who are homeless and know people who have loving families who wont give up on them and have to live in fear that their loved one is going to jail or going to die. Please call congress like the president says and have them build the wall. I am so full of hate for the people I live around because they hold a grudge against me because I committed crimes I cant get through to them. Please prevent this from happening again CALL CONGRESS AND TELL THEM TO GIVE PRESIDENT TRUMP THE MONEY FOR BORDER SECURITY.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 16:11
the wall will not stop that flow it comes in through airports and other ways the wall is a boondoogle

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 16:17
Its going to do something. The president is a businessman hes not building a wall just for the hell of it. Just to waste money. Hes not an idiot.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 16:48
yes he is an idiot i know all about drugs and how it comes in as long as there is money to be made nothing will stem the flow they use planes and even subs to bring things in a wall will not save you if you can't save yourself

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 17:01
I am not even getting into this discussion. If you think a man who can win the biggest election in the world is an idiot.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 17:17
no the people who voted for him were the true idiots

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he bankrupted a casino how do you bankrupt a casino ever? by being stupid

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remember he is under investigation now

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 17:17
haha that is funny if you bankrupt a casino.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 17:20
even the mob did not do that even when they bled them all the time

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trump lost money in a casino in Atlantic city nj, no one ever did that stupid thing,until he did

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 17:37
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Yes, there is a time when good men and women must stand up for what’s right, even when it involves risk, but that moment comes only after evil has already been well established and is powerfully on the move.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 18:12
have you been to war? just asking because I have in the tonkin gulf

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you are younger than my son,he is 42 at the moment

Juniper
19 Feb 2019, 18:19
Didn't vote for Trump and I'm not supporting the wall. It's a waste of money and won't stop drugs and/or illegal border crossing.

I don't see a connection between your plea to support the wall building and your declaration of drug abuse + lack of working skills. I'm sorry to hear about your troubled past and hope that your future does look brighter, but I'm not on board with the building of the wall.

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 18:24
I am for it because people are dying and I dont know what else to do but believe the words of my leader. The only reason I have anything is because of the government. I am mentally disabled because of drug use and I'm sure you all have your reasons. But if you know of a better way to stop the drugs please tell someone because theyve ruined my life and the lives of my families and friends and killed them. If someone claims theyre going to make an attempt to stop them I am all for it. I dont care if it works or not. The United States feeds me and clothes me and I have never done anything for them.

Bartmanhomer
19 Feb 2019, 18:25
Didn't vote for Trump and I'm not supporting the wall. It's a waste of money and won't stop drugs and/or illegal border crossing.

I don't see a connection between your plea to support the wall building and your declaration of drug abuse + lack of working skills. I'm sorry to hear about your troubled past and hope that your future does look brighter, but I'm not on board with the building of the wall.

I didn't want to say anything until I want to hear more people have to say about it. I didn't vote Trump either and I'm not going to support building a wall because like Juniper said it a waste of taxpayer money. :mad:

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 18:33
those drugs were around when i was on the street,but i did not get strung out or end up in jail,so what made that difference it was not a wall,it was my will not to end up in jail or strung out.

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wondering what your chains were to get you into jail and other things ,was it dealer weight?

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 18:35
I wish I hadnt even started this thread I dont have the patience to discuss politics I am not even allowed to vote. I just wanted to stop drugs and other than the wall theres no hope. sorry if I offended you people!

Juniper
19 Feb 2019, 18:37
I am for it because people are dying and I dont know what else to do but believe the words of my leader. The only reason I have anything is because of the government. I am mentally disabled because of drug use and I'm sure you all have your reasons. But if you know of a better way to stop the drugs please tell someone because theyve ruined my life and the lives of my families and friends and killed them. If someone claims theyre going to make an attempt to stop them I am all for it. I dont care if it works or not. The United States feeds me and clothes me and I have never done anything for them.

More support for programs like the ones that feed and clothe you is a great place to start, which by the way, were put in place by Trump's predecessors. Trump has a (recorded) history of lying to the people, flip-flopping when it serves him and I don't see how anyone still believes him.

I have donated my time volunteering in Food Banks, homeless shelters, shelters for abused women and children, shelters for children with drug and/or behavioral problems and that is where the real change comes from. Showing kindness and support to people in your community that have fallen on hard times. Maybe you can get involved with a local charity or support group for kids that were in a similar situation to help pave the way for them to have a better future. You're only 29, that's not too late to go back to school and learn a skill that you enjoy and can use to make money.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 18:39
no i feel bad for you state prison is a major felony bust,not simple possession,for fed hard time it might be more than a simple felony

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yes juni,that is a much better place to use the wall money helping and perhaps saving lives

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 18:52
Thank you for helping people where I'm from they dont help people. they expect you to leave and goto another county where they do help people. We have a couple churches that provide a little food and they just opened a little mental health place that cant keep enough employees to see everyone.

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no i feel bad for you state prison is a major felony bust,not simple possession,for fed hard time it might be more than a simple felony

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yes juni,that is a much better place to use the wall money helping and perhaps saving lives

The reason it was state prison is because of how I caught 3 simple possesions in 3 years and they decided to send me to prison because of the repeat offenses.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 19:00
was it just a taste or over an ounce each time,i do know a little about the law,a friend got 10 years hard time in a fed lockup for armed burglary in a pharmacy.

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 19:10
It was just a taste, they used to be really HARD on drugs here it wasnt much at all once it wasnt even mine I was just in the vehicle with it. I live in a real old fashioned place where the klu klux klan still pass out flyers on martin luther king jr day and we have festivals where everyone flies rebel flags and the amish and quakers and stuff are all around in the country side. Theyre just now starting to come around and be a little more easy on criminals because of very recent new legislations.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 19:20
thank obama for those esements in sentencing t used to be you could get 20 years for just an ounce of weed or even just for a single joint

Shahaku
19 Feb 2019, 19:52
I am not even getting into this discussion. If you think a man who can win the biggest election in the world is an idiot.

If you aren't willing to have a discussion where people disagree with you and generally in the version of disdain for our current president, you probably shouldn't be posting political things on this site. Additionally, we try to keep the majority of the political discussions to this thread (http://www.paganforum.com/showthread.php?12424-They-are-willing-to-destroy-this-country/page112&highlight=destroying) as we are not a political forum but a religious one.

As far as a wall, the vast majority of drug trafficking happens through boat or air, and occasionally tunnels. Tons of drugs, like meth, are made locally as well, or bought off of people who gained them through a script (like opioids) and aren't being trafficked in. None of which will be prevented by a wall. This whole agenda of build a wall is, in my opinion, to build up a frenzy in the population of us vs them in order to distract from the larger issues that will possibly lead to Trump's impeachment (and that's looking more and more likely). I'm not entirely sure that I believe Trump is stupid enough to ignore the statistics and actually believe that the wall will work, but I totally believe that he's capable of using it as a distraction because he knows how divisive of an issue it is.

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 20:00
If you aren't willing to have a discussion where people disagree with you and generally in the version of disdain for our current president, you probably shouldn't be posting political things on this site. Additionally, we try to keep the majority of the political discussions to this thread (http://www.paganforum.com/showthread.php?12424-They-are-willing-to-destroy-this-country/page112&highlight=destroying) as we are not a political forum but a religious one.


I realize that if you read a little farther you will see I said I am sorry I posted this thread I did not mean to offend anyone. Your more than welcome to delete it or lock it and close it or whatever. I just support the wall I never said anything about supporting Trump. As I would support somethings any president does no matter who or what party.

Shahaku
19 Feb 2019, 20:08
I realize that if you read a little farther you will see I said I am sorry I posted this thread I did not mean to offend anyone. Your more than welcome to delete it or lock it and close it or whatever. I just support the wall I never said anything about supporting Trump. As I would support somethings any president does no matter who or what party.

Well, hell, I missed that there were more pages.

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 20:09
Its okay I understand :)

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 20:21
thank obama for those esements in sentencing t used to be you could get 20 years for just an ounce of weed or even just for a single joint

those heavy bumps were mainly if you were black

Austin.Apollo
19 Feb 2019, 20:31
those heavy bumps were mainly if you were black When I was a kid here we never had any black people the klu klux klan would burn a cross in their yard if they moved in here and put billboards up threatening them. Occasionally you see black people here now but I do not know if they live here or not. Were getting a little better since the Obama administration but since they didnt have anyone to discriminate against they would discriminate against criminals and homosexuals and people practicing paganism they've evidently been forced into being sneaky about it now.

anunitu
19 Feb 2019, 21:13
ok,i grew up in a black and Hispanic hood,so there,no kkk there,that was in Oakland,California.

Tylluan Penry
21 Feb 2019, 11:42
I am for it because people are dying and I dont know what else to do but believe the words of my leader.

Not a good enough reason... if you don't know what else to do then start learning. We do not have to believe the words of our 'leaders'. At the risk of incurring the Mods wrath here, a certain leader in 1930's Germany springs to mind. Democratically elected and a complete basket case.


The only reason I have anything is because of the government...

Does it occur to you that perhaps under a better government you might have had more? I'm really sorry to hear about your health problems, but you may find you are just exchanging one set of problems for a worse set.


If someone claims theyre going to make an attempt to stop them I am all for it. I dont care if it works or not. The United States feeds me and clothes me and I have never done anything for them.

You cannot be all for something and then say you don't care whether it works or not. You must care. And to do that you must educated yourself properly. Fully. Read widely, wisely and well.

Boundary walls are never a good idea. In Europe there was the Berlin Wall - and it eventually had to come down.
In Wales, going back much much further, there was Offa's Dyke. And we apparently still have an unrepealed law that it is legal to kill a Welshman with a crossbow in the Cathedral Close (or so I've been told!)

Sollomyn
10 Mar 2019, 04:29
I'm 29 years old and I was a drug addict for many years starting when I was 15. I've been to jail multiple times and even been to state prison just for being an addict in possesion of drugs to many times. Now my brain chemicals are imbalanced I've had to take antipsychotics and goto therapy. I can not get a job because I never learned a skill when I was young and now I have a criminal record full of drug felonys. The whole life I thought I was going to have as a kid was taken from me beca use I became a drug addict and society will not forgive me. I have friends who are homeless and know people who have loving families who wont give up on them and have to live in fear that their loved one is going to jail or going to die. Please call congress like the president says and have them build the wall. I am so full of hate for the people I live around because they hold a grudge against me because I committed crimes I cant get through to them. Please prevent this from happening again CALL CONGRESS AND TELL THEM TO GIVE PRESIDENT TRUMP THE MONEY FOR BORDER SECURITY.

I voted for President Trump, but mostly because I wasn't able to vote for Mrs. Clinton in good conscience, knowing her history. I knew less about Trump's history, but decided to research him before voting; (it was my very first time voting). I honestly don't like the man. I think he's a rude, arrogant, greedy, superficial, sexist, old man; not racist though; I'm unaware of anything at all that says he cares about race one way or the other...but despite his flaws, he was clearly a smart jerk in my opinion, and I won't go into all of the reasons why; you can look into his strategies for yourself if you're truly interested. Thus, I decided to vote for him in favor of the other criminal who's under investigation for much, much more serious offenses haha.

I also didn't approve of Mr. Obama during his later years; I was just an ignorant, clueless thirteen year old kid when he first took office, so I had no idea what to think of him; I wasn't allowed to watch TV during those years. Older and wiser now though, I feel he as well as Mrs. Clinton should both be in jail right now, as there's legitimate evidence against them individually. I have yet to see any physical evidence of President Trump perpetrating any crimes during his time in office, nor the months leading up to it. I have never heard a thing about him being anti-LGBT either, personally; even if he were, that's not really a concern for me; the LGBT community, (which I've been a part of in the past), will continue to thrive as it has since ancient times haha; doesn't matter if the President likes it or not! I was electing a commander in chief during a time of war; not a goody-two-shoes nanny who minces his words and never even attempts to do what he said he was going to do; he's honestly the most transparent President I've had the opportunity to experience; I like how very non-politician he comes off as, but even I have to admit there have been many times where I feel like he really needs to just keep his mouth shut haha; I find myself shaking my head at him a lot. So far though he hasn't given our enemies millions of dollars with crates full of weapons with which to kill our soldiers, so I'm satisfied; Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton set the bar pretty low in my opinion hahaha.

Alas though, I cannot support the Wall. I don't think it would serve any real purpose; border patrol agents serve pretty much the same purpose; employ more of them, giving people jobs to make themselves money, instead of trying to find money to build a wall. I don't really get what the point of it all is really. Seeing as the Wall serves no real purpose in my opinion, I also don't think it would matter all that much if he succeeds with the Wall, and if he does...neat; a politician who kept his promise. It's almost like a unicorn, or a bigfoot, or something like that hahaha!

PS: Really though, I'd like to work on my not being as judgemental; especially of individuals whom I've never had the pleasure of actually interacting with in my day to day life. :D


--Sollomyn

faye_cat
10 Mar 2019, 13:39
The wall is useless. It's destructive to wildlife, to the people who live on the border, to our budget. It's nothing but grandstanding for the president's ego. Most drugs come from other avenues, or are homegrown.

Sollomyn
10 Mar 2019, 14:09
The wall is useless. It's destructive to wildlife, to the people who live on the border, to our budget. It's nothing but grandstanding for the president's ego. Most drugs come from other avenues, or are homegrown.

I agree 99%. I'm unable to say for sure whether or not the Wall is literally nothing more than grandstanding for the President's ego though; I'm just not that powerful of a mind-reader. :XD laugh:


--Sollomyn

Bartmanhomer
10 Mar 2019, 15:40
He has been saying the wall since he got elected. He's full of crap. :mad:

Sollomyn
10 Mar 2019, 16:20
He has been saying the wall since he got elected. He's full of crap. :mad:

Hahaha; he's been talking about a lot more than just the Wall. From what I understand, he's helped put our military in a better position to descimate ISIS, (or ISIL as it is also sometimes called.) I especially loved watching the MOAB destroying one of their bases; always feels nice to me to see negative and destructive individuals finally get a taste of their own medicine; I guess karma really does come around haha. I feel he's sure started to put the North Korean dictator in his place; I was also happy to see that he finally ended America's streak of being pushed around by China. To each their own though; I personally always try to see all sides of the bigger picture. :cool:

--Sollomyn

Shahaku
10 Mar 2019, 19:53
Hahaha; he's been talking about a lot more than just the Wall. From what I understand, he's helped put our military in a better position to descimate ISIS, (or ISIL as it is also sometimes called.) I especially loved watching the MOAB destroying one of their bases; always feels nice to me to see negative and destructive individuals finally get a taste of their own medicine; I guess karma really does come around haha. I feel he's sure started to put the North Korean dictator in his place; I was also happy to see that he finally ended America's streak of being pushed around by China. To each their own though; I personally always try to see all sides of the bigger picture. :cool:

--Sollomyn

When he first became president, I tried to look on the bright side at some of the policy changes that could have turned out good. Better maternity benefits was one of those things that I haven't seen a trace of sense. As far as his war tactics, whether or not he's making improvements is highly up for debate and whether or not that's a good things depends on your stance on these issues. I honestly feel like we need to back off from other countries situations and only stick our nose in if we're attacked. Humanitarian efforts otherwise. When is comes to North Korea, Trump has complemented their dictator and is basically doing nothing...

Also, here (https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history)is Trump's history of racism.

Here (https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019)'s a list of all his failed business ventures... at least I think that's a complete list.

Here (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/impeachment-trump/580468/)is an article on why he should be impeached. Not the least of his crimes is attacking the press, a fundamental protected group within our society. That doesn't even touch the whole Russia hacking our elections issue to support him.

Border patrol, ICE, etc have been accused of sexually molesting minors in their custody, kids have died, mother's have miscarried with the authorities to blame. And yeah, I'm laying that at Trump's door as well.

Obama was the first president we have had in living history who has had 0 indictments, convictions, or sentences against him. And out of the last four presidents, Trump and Bush have nearly 20x as many indictments as Clinton and Obama. That really says something about the Republican party.

I highly suggest you do some unbiased reading. Read what the other side is saying. Don't just listen to Fox News or wherever you're getting your information. Read articles from outside the US too.

Sollomyn
11 Mar 2019, 11:07
When he first became president, I tried to look on the bright side at some of the policy changes that could have turned out good. Better maternity benefits was one of those things that I haven't seen a trace of sense.

Why are better maternity benefits important to you?


As far as his war tactics, whether or not he's making improvements is highly up for debate and whether or not that's a good things depends on your stance on these issues. I honestly feel like we need to back off from other countries situations and only stick our nose in if we're attacked. Humanitarian efforts otherwise. When is comes to North Korea, Trump has complemented their dictator and is basically doing nothing...

I think he's been making some improvements at least; getting rid of chain-immigration laws would be great; I honestly haven't been keeping up with the news in over a year though, haha, so he may have already fixed the chain-immigration issue for all I know. In regards to the war, last I heard he was trying to do what you want him to; we're pulling out of Syria and packing up and going home because we've pretty much destroyed ISIS; now they aren't such a huge threat that the good parts of the Middle East will be able to mop up the rest of them all on their own; the last administration seemed to just want to the war to go on and on and on because war is good money; fortuntaely though our current President didn't pull his punches or play any games like drawing the red line in the sand, saying "Don't cross this line." then when they crossed the line, our former President just let it happened and did nothing. The world last a lot of respect for America when Mr. Obama did that; horrendously embarassing in my opinion.


Also, here (https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history)is Trump's history of racism.

I think the opening statements in that article are written in a very biased and misleading manner. For example, the President said illegal immigrants from Mexico were criminals and rapists, and to be fair, that's probably not an unfounded statement; they're DEFINITELY criminals if they're illegally immigrating to America; illegality is what defines a criminal haha. They wouldn't be coming here illegally if there wasn't a good reason that we wouldn't allow them to come here the legal way, so chances are, a lot, if not most illegal immigrants from that region are quite likely heinious individuals which would lower the quality of life for our citizens. The article you provided though completely failed to make the distinction between a legal immigrant, and an illegal immigrant.

The next part tries to imply that he's racist for trying to ban all Muslims from the US. This is another false blanket statement; Trump only initiated a travel ban on a TINY handful of countries which yes, happened to be primarily Muslim, but ALSO happen to hate our guts and want nothing but our destruction; WHY would we want to make it easy for them to get to us??? :XD laugh:

Then it said Trump was racist for asking a Mexican judge to recuse himself. This is also false, because if you look into the case involving the female plaintiff that the judge dismissed because she would've lost him the case, you'll find that the President was concerned about a genuine, legitimate conflict of interest in the matter; a good judge would be able to see the conflict of interest right away, and recuse himself all on his very own...unless he had ulterior motives of course. The article also failed to mention that as well; I had to go to Politifact for the rest of the story, because it seems Vox was only providing the chunks that push their agenda. I will definitely volunteer though that the President says some exceedingly inappropriate things at times, but that doesn't mean he's a racist; I think people just love throwing that word around to stir people up an incite drama.


Here (https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019)'s a list of all his failed business ventures... at least I think that's a complete list.

If you looked at it closer, you'd see that most if not all the bankruptcies were part of a planned strategy; if you do it right, you actually get more money than you would have had you not decided to bankrupt it. It's pretty clever.


Here (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/impeachment-trump/580468/)is an article on why he should be impeached. Not the least of his crimes is attacking the press, a fundamental protected group within our society. That doesn't even touch the whole Russia hacking our elections issue to support him.

Attacking the press isn't a crime, (at least verbally...did the President launch an RPG at them that I didn't hear about?)

If Russia were to hack into the election, they wouldn't have made Trump our leader; they would've rigged it in Mrs. Clinton's favor. :XD laugh:


Border patrol, ICE, etc have been accused of sexually molesting minors in their custody, kids have died, mother's have miscarried with the authorities to blame. And yeah, I'm laying that at Trump's door as well.

Then those agents need to be held accountable in a court of law; not a man who was thousands of miles removed from the situation. Blaming someone else for the crimes of someone that they don't even know is just is an illogical height for me personally; that's like forcing a son to suffer for the crimes of his father.


Obama was the first president we have had in living history who has had 0 indictments, convictions, or sentences against him. And out of the last four presidents, Trump and Bush have nearly 20x as many indictments as Clinton and Obama. That really says something about the Republican party.

That's because they covered them all up, because Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are high-level criminals who have a history of destroying evidence and silencing critics. :XD laugh:

And I don't think I'd judge an entire political party based on a few bad apples; I'm largely a Democrat myself; Goddess knows a lot of them have their downsides too haha. We all have our little faults....Mine's in California hahahaha (Old Superman the Movie joke hehehe, I'm kind of a nerd. :XD: )


I highly suggest you do some unbiased reading. Read what the other side is saying. Don't just listen to Fox News or wherever you're getting your information. Read articles from outside the US too.

I suggest you do the same as well. :o

Except for reading articles about the US from outside of the US...how does that make any sense? I kind of doubt they'd be close enough to things to actually have any clear idea of what's going on on the inside. :confused:

Alas though, I feel this dicussion should probably be brough to a stalemate; I don't think much will come out of it aside from resentment and tension. To each their own; we can all only ever do what we feel is best with what we may have. :)


PS: Biggest reason I'm running for the hills is because of politics; stuff's enough to drive you bonkers and batty! :XD laugh:


--Sollomyn

Juniper
11 Mar 2019, 13:44
I'm not going to address the entirety of the post because I don't wanna.


Why are better maternity benefits important to you?
Is it not, for you? I'm trying to figure out your angle with this questions because the answer just seems so damn obvious...


Except for reading articles about the US from outside of the US...how does that make any sense? I kind of doubt they'd be close enough to things to actually have any clear idea of what's going on on the inside. :confused:
Sometimes having a perspective from outside our own biased viewpoints is helpful to seeing a bigger picture. I think of them as mediators, sometimes. Like couples counseling. They can't tell us what to do, but we should listen to suggestions on how they do things differently so that we can figure out a way around the obstacles we come across.

Goodness knows, the US airs it's dirty laundry, and whether or not any wants to see it seems to be beside the point.

Sollomyn
11 Mar 2019, 14:49
I'm not going to address the entirety of the post because I don't wanna.


Is it not, for you? I'm trying to figure out your angle with this questions because the answer just seems so damn obvious...

Truthfully, maternity benefits are irrelevant to me personally; a government shouldn't have to tell employers to give new mothers some time off, and new mothers should already be capable of taking care of children with either their partner, or on their own; they're human beings; the apex predator on this planet. I think they should manage. :XD laugh:

...I just don't see why a government would need to step in. :confused:

Only thing I can suspect is that the government feels it has to coddle women, which is a sexist viewpoint in my opinion, (although admittedly I'm a little sexist myself, because I feel women are generally superior to men hahaha.)

Another possibility is that women in modern western civilization feel entitled to empirical intervention, because they either haven't learned to be independent, or because they just think it would be too hard.

All possibilities above don't really seem like anything good in my opinion, so I really don't see the point of maternity benefits; I'm indifferent to it apart from thinking people would go on living just fine without it. Government's too big and powerful if you ask me; people need to be stronger in my opinion.


Sometimes having a perspective from outside our own biased viewpoints is helpful to seeing a bigger picture. I think of them as mediators, sometimes. Like couples counseling. They can't tell us what to do, but we should listen to suggestions on how they do things differently so that we can figure out a way around the obstacles we come across.

You make an excellent point. How do we know which foreign news sources are legitimate though? Translations from foreign languages could be a little tricky too, but I'm sure there's some kind of tool to convert it to English; or at least something that somewhat resembles English, seeing as other countries sometimes have words and concepts in their native language that don't even exist in the English language hahaha, (I've seen some pretty hilarious examples.)


Goodness knows, the US airs it's dirty laundry, and whether or not any wants to see it seems to be beside the point.

An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth; won't that just leave everyone blind and speechless? :(



--Sollomyn

Juniper
11 Mar 2019, 15:53
Truthfully, maternity benefits are irrelevant to me personally; a government shouldn't have to tell employers to give new mothers some time off, and new mothers should already be capable of taking care of children with either their partner, or on their own; they're human beings; the apex predator on this planet. I think they should manage. :XD laugh:

...I just don't see why a government would need to step in. :confused:

Only thing I can suspect is that the government feels it has to coddle women, which is a sexist viewpoint in my opinion, (although admittedly I'm a little sexist myself, because I feel women are generally superior to men hahaha.)

Another possibility is that women in modern western civilization feel entitled to empirical intervention, because they either haven't learned to be independent, or because they just think it would be too hard.

All possibilities above don't really seem like anything good in my opinion, so I really don't see the point of maternity benefits; I'm indifferent to it apart from thinking people would go on living just fine without it. Government's too big and powerful if you ask me; people need to be stronger in my opinion.
Can you give me an example of a country where women can have children and be able to raise them without having support from something such as maternity leave, and that doesn't leave them in poverty? You make it sound like people need to save up like they would when buying a car or house. It doesn't work that way. I feel like your stance on maternity leave is coming from a place of limited knowledge. You don't have to be a parent to understand the benefits of maternity leave.



You make an excellent point. How do we know which foreign news sources are legitimate though? Translations from foreign languages could be a little tricky too, but I'm sure there's some kind of tool to convert it to English; or at least something that somewhat resembles English, seeing as other countries sometimes have words and concepts in their native language that don't even exist in the English language hahaha, (I've seen some pretty hilarious examples.)
The same way you vet domestic news sources. You research the sources they cite. If they don't cite any, the info is likely copied from somewhere else or pulled out of their ass. Most major browsers have language translators built in. Chrome does. Or at least have add-ons.




An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth; won't that just leave everyone blind and speechless? :(
What's the relevance of this? And.... one can still speak without teeth, and blind doesn't mean ignorant of facts/issues.

B. de Corbin
11 Mar 2019, 16:58
Truthfully, maternity benefits are irrelevant to me personally; a government shouldn't have to tell employers to give new mothers some time off, and new mothers should already be capable of taking care of children with either their partner, or on their own; they're human beings; the apex predator on this planet. I think they should manage. :XD laugh:..

∆∆∆∆∆ seems to have had limited experience with parents.∆∆∆∆∆

Sollomyn
11 Mar 2019, 17:18
Can you give me an example of a country where women can have children and be able to raise them without having support from something such as maternity leave, and that doesn't leave them in poverty? You make it sound like people need to save up like they would when buying a car or house. It doesn't work that way. I feel like your stance on maternity leave is coming from a place of limited knowledge. You don't have to be a parent to understand the benefits of maternity leave.

No; I cannot give you an example of a country, because I'm too uneducated about other countries, and thus cannot speak for them, as I'd probably only be misinforming people. Regardless of whether or not there exists such a country out of about 195 other countries, it would still be irrelevant to me because I don't see poverty as an issue; especially if it's only temporary poverty due to circumstances. Money isn't really a neccesity in my opinion.


The same way you vet domestic news sources. You research the sources they cite. If they don't cite any, the info is likely copied from somewhere else or pulled out of their ass. Most major browsers have language translators built in. Chrome does. Or at least have add-ons.

So if I understand you correctly, a piece of information's validity depends on whether or not you can find a source? How do you know if the source is lying? :confused:


What's the relevance of this? And.... one can still speak without teeth, and blind doesn't mean ignorant of facts/issues.

You know....I actually have no idea what the relevance of that eye for an eye statement was hahahaha; my brain has kinda been on the fritz lately. I must've somehow connected imaginary dots in my brain that you were implying other countries should air their dirty laundry because the US does.

But since the subject came up, I'd still have to say that everyone still having their eyes and teeth is quantatively better than not having eyes or teeth! :XD laugh:

I'm a bit of a goof ball. :p



--Sollomyn

Sollomyn
11 Mar 2019, 18:42
∆∆∆∆∆ seems to have had limited experience with parents.∆∆∆∆∆

It seems like you're making a snap judgement about my personality haha; I pretty much raised my baby nieces and nephew because my sister was too strung out on drugs to take care of them; yes, we grew up in poverty as well, in the middle of the woods, a couple hundred mile round trip from the nearest city, but we got on with things just fine without outside assistance; I'm glad things were as hard as they were though, because I feel it made me a stronger and more confident individual. I understand why independence might be scary to people who've never had instant access to aid whenever they felt something was too hard for them to accomplish. If they really had to though, I can almost guarentee you that they would endeavor to persevere, and all would emerge stronger and healthier because of it. :)

--Sollomyn

Juniper
11 Mar 2019, 20:41
No; I cannot give you an example of a country, because I'm too uneducated about other countries, and thus cannot speak for them, as I'd probably only be misinforming people. Regardless of whether or not there exists such a country out of about 195 other countries, it would still be irrelevant to me because I don't see poverty as an issue; especially if it's only temporary poverty due to circumstances. Money isn't really a neccesity in my opinion.
I think I'm done with this.



So if I understand you correctly, a piece of information's validity depends on whether or not you can find a source? How do you know if the source is lying? :confused:
It's not the only step in verifying information but it's a pretty big one. If there aren't any sources listed, or the sources seem questionable, that's a red flag for me to start with. Start with searching the title and see if the same exact one comes up elsewhere and does the body of the content seem to match? If yes, it's probably just copy/pasted and the same source should be noted. Go to the source and see where they are getting their info from. I have seen major news outlets like New York Times, CNN, FOX, MSN, and so on, post information that was questionable and therefore even they can't be fully trusted.

There are many websites that outline how to fact check or verify the validity of information. It just takes time. The more you do it, the quicker you get at it and you'll start to recognize buzz words or websites that commonly display untrustworthy information. I'm not an expert in these things but I try to make an effort to backtrack information, especially if it's controversial.

Sollomyn
11 Mar 2019, 20:51
I think I'm done with this.

Consider it done. :o



It's not the only step in verifying information but it's a pretty big one. If there aren't any sources listed, or the sources seem questionable, that's a red flag for me to start with. Start with searching the title and see if the same exact one comes up elsewhere and does the body of the content seem to match? If yes, it's probably just copy/pasted and the same source should be noted. Go to the source and see where they are getting their info from.

There are many websites that outline how to fact check or verify the validity of information. It just takes time. The more you do it, the quicker you get at it and you'll start to recognize buzz words or websites that commonly display untrustworthy information. I'm not an expert in these things but I try to make an effort to backtrack information, especially if it's controversial.

Thank you so much for the information; I've never really understood how to go about getting correct information when it comes to news and politics; the reason is in the next segment:


I have seen major news outlets like New York Times, CNN, FOX, MSN, and so on, post information that was questionable and therefore even they can't be fully trusted.

This is entirely the reason haha; my problem is that I can't really trust anyone; I can't even really trust my own senses hahaha; I could wake up in a whole different alternate reality tomorrow for all I know, (that's only happened once though, so I'm fairly sure I'm safe haha).

My solution has been to just try to remain indifferent and take everything with a grain of salt; not getting too attached. :^^:


--Sollomyn