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Ophidia
13 Feb 2011, 09:24
Soooo, since it's pretty obvious to my co-workers that I place no importance on Valentine's Day at all, they've all made it a point to tell me that Valentine's Day is a 'Christianized' version of Lupercalia and I'm a 'bad Pagan' for not celebrating it :P

The truth is, I'm not versed enough on Lupercalia or any of the multitudinous St. Valentines to have a worthwhile rebuttal. All I know is that Lupercalia somehow involved the cave where Romulus & Remus' wolf-mother suckled them... and topless women running the streets being lashed by young priests wielding goat-skin thongs. Or maybe its young men in thongs wielding goats?

Even though I do include Mediterranean pantheons in my eclectic worship, most spring festivals aren't included in my practices because I'm not that big on fertility rites. Yes, I know they can be used to 'seed' or 'grow' projects, but my personal experiences with deities who love to take things literally make me leery of trying anything out, lest my 'seeded project' somehow ends up w/me being subject to alien impregnation (or my husband's vasectomy spontaneously reversing) or some crap like that.

Anyway, can anyone give me better information on Lupercalia & its links to Valentines Day (and not just dubious links to misleading websites)?

Juniper
13 Feb 2011, 12:13
Hmm. I don't know about Lupercalia, but you can always have your coworkers read this: http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/how-valentines-day-helps-the-economy/

DanieMarie
13 Feb 2011, 13:07
I feel the same way about Valentines that I do about modern versions of most holidays...TOTALLY secularized. I celebrate most secular holidays even though they have a Christian background and I'm not a Christian, because they're a large part of our society and have been so for thousands of years, and are practiced in places such as Berlin, were religion doesn't hold much weight (this is allegedly one of the most atheist western cities in the world...)

I do V-day. I like the idea of having a day set aside to celebrate love. It might not be traditionally Greek in its current form, but I'm an eclectic and I'm not overly concerned...call me bad or fluffy but I'm just not. As a devotee of Aphrodite I think it's a nice thing to celebrate, no matter where the tradition comes from :)

Ophidia
13 Feb 2011, 18:30
Hmm. I don't know about Lupercalia, but you can always have your coworkers read this: http://www.mint.com/blog/trends/how-valentines-day-helps-the-economy/

I usually tell them Valentine's Day was invented by Woolworth's in the late 1800s to buck up their 1st Quarter slump, lol.

CttCJim
13 Feb 2011, 22:07
see also: http://wildhunt.org/blog/2011/02/the-not-really-all-that-dark-origins-of-valentines-day.html

Hallmark can have this one.

calfhill
13 Feb 2011, 22:15
Today, it's all about the money--oh yeah, just like every other holiday.

FantasyWitch
13 Feb 2011, 23:10
I'd like to think its also about chocolate! X

calfhill
13 Feb 2011, 23:15
Oh yeah. And chocolate. You're right. My bad.

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And beer. Can't forget the beer.

DanieMarie
14 Feb 2011, 06:08
I'd like to think its also about chocolate! X

Me too! I always get myself chocolate on valentines!

Hawkfeathers
14 Feb 2011, 06:17
I usually get myself flowers. I seem to be missing the "chocolate gene" LOL Not a big fan of all the commercialism that surrounds holidays but if it helps some people rediscover each other or become closer, then it's all good. Of course it can be pretty hard on single people.
As to the origins of the different holidays, I feel the actual days and the ways in which we celebrate them have become more cultural icons than anything else, so, while I find the history interesting, I don't base my celebration on it.

Ophidia
14 Feb 2011, 07:48
I'm not supposed to eat chocolate anymore, anyway. Caramel, though - I can celebrate caramel every day.

thalassa
14 Feb 2011, 10:22
Not a big fan of all the commercialism that surrounds holidays but if it helps some people rediscover each other or become closer, then it's all good. Of course it can be pretty hard on single people.
As to the origins of the different holidays, I feel the actual days and the ways in which we celebrate them have become more cultural icons than anything else, so, while I find the history interesting, I don't base my celebration on it.


...pretty much my assessment on the day as well

Hjarrand
14 Feb 2011, 10:55
To be honest with all of you... Valentine's day seems to me like one of the most 'why in the name of <input own god/greater being or greater power name> was that invented'.

Just to mock and to feel more bad us, who already feel bad... who dont have a partner... FML!

DanieMarie
14 Feb 2011, 14:10
I know that commercialized, as well as traditionally, it's been more of a celebration of romantic love, but I don't think it has to be that way. I've never had a boyfriend on valentines day, but I have had some great days. A few I had nice dinners with friends, and a few I made nice dinners alone. I like to think of it as a time to reflect on all the love I have in my life, even if I don't have a boyfriend. I have great friends and a family who is super supportive and amazing, and I've learned to love myself as well.

Gardenia
14 Feb 2011, 16:38
Agree, it can be hard because the romantic love aspect is what's usually commercialized (although I've seen a good bit of family love this year, actually) - but it's really what you make of it. Spend time with friends and family, and treat yourself to something nice.

Medusa
14 Feb 2011, 19:39
It's not about the money with everyone, you bitter people. I received a beautiful heart felt love letter. Free!

Raphaeline
14 Feb 2011, 19:52
I don't celebrate Lupercalia OR Valentine's Day - Anthesteria Pithoigia happened to fall on today, though :)

calfhill
14 Feb 2011, 23:29
Check out this link: http://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133693152/the-dark-origins-of-valentines-day?sc=tw&cc=fp

DanieMarie
15 Feb 2011, 04:08
It's not about the money with everyone, you bitter people. I received a beautiful heart felt love letter. Free!

Yes exactly!

I made myself a nice dinner (at little cost because I had the steak in the freezer) and watched Moulin Rouge, a film most straight men just don't appreciate and so is something to enjoy alone as a satisfied, single woman. And yes, I sung along. I hope to someday be comfy enough in a relationship to sing along to musicals in their presence, but this could take a while, so I will enjoy doing it now as often as possible :P