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DanieMarie
15 Oct 2010, 03:03
For random one post things about pets....like "cute thing my pet did" or one post rants about annoying things they did.

I'm getting this look again:

http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/puss-in-boots.jpg

He wants to get fed. He doesn't want his dry food, so he's giving me the look. Are they onto the fact that we're suckers for cute?

Almost_lost
15 Oct 2010, 04:33
My dog charlie yesterday spent about half an hour burrowing hin nose and face in this damn made of sticks/leaves/mud in a little stream just to pull out the tinest stick ive ever seen.. seriously it was about -------------------------------------- this big. But he seemed so excited that he got a stick i let him have his moment


edit: And one of the dogs has just started snoring really really loudly! So cute, if a little distracting

ChainLightning
15 Oct 2010, 09:09
I've been down here in Gowrie for too damn long. I miss the kitties!

volcaniclastic
15 Oct 2010, 09:32
My cat wakes me up one hour before dawn every morning. >:(

SageGreene
15 Oct 2010, 16:48
My cat wakes me up one hour before dawn every morning. >:(


Oh cats... somethings are just bred into them. I have a palomino bunny named Aiko :) hes the sweetest little thing but I can't have him in my room because he drives me nuts. At like 4 am he wants to run circles around his enclosure so he's downstairs so that I don't make soft mittens out of him :D

PharaohKatt
17 Oct 2010, 05:46
My cat is so silly. She makes these pathetic mews at me, gets me to follow her into the kitchen, just so I can watch her eat :P

It's not that she wants feeding, she just wants an audience.

Sin
17 Oct 2010, 05:55
My kitty cat Kiari (the burmese kitteh) is totally adorable :-* she doesnt do that annoying catching small animals thing and bringing them in... mainly cos shes a house cat and birds terrify her :P but actually she LOVES flies and spiders... before I left home for uni i was playing with her and sayign goodbye and we were cuddling and fly went past.. she lept over my shoulder (cutting my back open naughty kitty) and dived for the fly and went right into the conservatry window ^_^' silly kittyyy..

thalassa
17 Oct 2010, 06:23
Tesla needs a bath...and she needs to stop eating the kids food--her farts kill small animals.

SageGreene
17 Oct 2010, 07:41
My cat is so silly. She makes these pathetic mews at me, gets me to follow her into the kitchen, just so I can watch her eat :P

It's not that she wants feeding, she just wants an audience.


Hahahaha I love cats

Thaleia Chara
17 Oct 2010, 22:52
My cat is so silly. She makes these pathetic mews at me, gets me to follow her into the kitchen, just so I can watch her eat :P

It's not that she wants feeding, she just wants an audience.


My sister has a poodle and he does the same thing; and he wasn't very nice about it. After a while it got old so we wanted to see what he'd do if we ignored him long enough. He spent almost 3 days without eating, after which, he learned to bring the food to US. Yep, he takes a mouthfull of kibble and jumps on the sofa, or bed, or just the floor next to you and throws it on the ground and starts eating one by one. ::)

PharaohKatt
18 Oct 2010, 20:11
My sister has a poodle and he does the same thing; and he wasn't very nice about it. After a while it got old so we wanted to see what he'd do if we ignored him long enough. He spent almost 3 days without eating, after which, he learned to bring the food to US. Yep, he takes a mouthfull of kibble and jumps on the sofa, or bed, or just the floor next to you and throws it on the ground and starts eating one by one. ::)

Wow, now *that's* dedication!



Tesla needs a bath...and she needs to stop eating the kids food--her farts kill small animals.

Smelly cat, smelly cat, what are they feeding you?
(mine is smelly too :o )

weareoceansaway
18 Oct 2010, 20:28
I have a small zoo in my home...and I love them all. ^ - ^
My Cichlids give me pathetic looks in their tanks. The babies will play hide and seek if they see me, and one plays dead (the little jerk gives me a heart attack every time!). My big Tangerine girl will pretend she likes me until after shes done eating, then she's back to hiding in her rock. And my yellow Lab boy will swim practically vertically and 'dance' until I feed him.
Now, my 'fraidy cat African Grey (who's name is Horace) will make whistling noises till we take notice of him. Then he'll lift his foot until we come by and pick him up. Once he's out of his cage, he freaks out until we put him back.......then he asks for out again. He's still a baby (only about six months old), so I think it's the cutest thing how indecisive he is.
My kitty, T.C. (The Cat), acts like a dog. She begs for food, waits for us to come home at the door (usually sitting right beside our dog Lucas), and snuggles in bed with us. She'll lay on our stomach or back and put her head on our shoulder....it's the sweetest thing. We found her when she was a tiny kitten, and she had a severe upper respitory infection. We nursed her back to health, and was rewarded with her precious kitty love. Without her, I think my family would go nuts!
And then there is Lucas! Lucas is my little lab mutt that I rescued from being put to sleep. He is the smartest dog I ever met, and would show it more often if he didn't have a jack russel's hyperness. We put him in dog training classes, but he learned so quickly that it never took eight weeks for the courses to be finished. Eventually, we just started training him ourselves. As hyper as he is, Lucas is also my little lover boy...if he would only sit still in my lap, he'd be allowed on the couch more often, lol.

Shadow Dragon
08 Nov 2010, 06:05
I figured we needed a thread on pictures of our pets, to go along with the pictures of yourself thread. I'll start it off with a picture of my new kitty, Lily:

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww141/kl_shadowdragon/LILY.jpg

volcaniclastic
08 Nov 2010, 08:01
Aww, she is an adorable tortoise shell!

volcaniclastic
08 Nov 2010, 08:02
also, why are all your pets named super feminine names? (Lily, Princess, etc) :P

Shadow Dragon
08 Nov 2010, 16:11
also, why are all your pets named super feminine names? (Lily, Princess, etc) :P

Because she's female so she got a girly name. :P Besides, my mom is the one that named her.

LiadanWillows
08 Nov 2010, 17:37
my pets on Halloween

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs929.snc4/74293_572451017061_65006152_32447514_6331510_n.jpg
Malcolm: he is a nine year old lazy cat


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs949.snc4/74231_572451037021_65006152_32447516_7532921_n.jpg
Alice: 5month old German Shepherd who lives to drive me crazy

Steelyphil
08 Nov 2010, 18:10
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q110/furfiber/huuurrrr.jpg
Here's my cat!
Whiskers.
She's about 10 but she is very youthful haha
She loves sitting on heater vents and meowing at me.

Here she is rubbing a chair to get attention
Which she is often prone to doing.

LiadanWillows
08 Nov 2010, 19:45
^^ she is so pretty. I love gray cats!

StegoByte
20 Dec 2010, 12:06
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs301.ash2/58127_1540434664953_1057516893_31592373_8301297_n. jpg
This is Banjo. He's a Peek-a-poo, though we often, affectionately call him many other things. (Peek-a-derp. Wook-a-chu.) He'll be a year on Valentine's 2011. He was a present from my husband to help combat some fertility issues I'm battling. He's very important to me and gives me something to dote on. =D

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs006.snc4/33665_1540435704979_1057516893_31592387_188229_n.j pg
This is Kazooie. She's an ultra-tiny, seven year old Domestic Short Hair. (fancy cat word for; Mutt). We found her outside and took her in. She's my husband's and probably the second most important girl in his life.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs681.snc4/62165_1537866560752_1057516893_31587072_6145664_n. jpg
This is Phineas; Riley's (the infamous four-year-old) cat. Yes, he named him. He's a Maine Coon, he'll be a year on April 1st, 2011...if he lasts that long. HE TERRORIZES EVERYTHING! He's got Sabertooth teeth. He demolishes boxes, climbs up the Christmas tree, dive bombs my trash can, and sneak attacks people's feet, legs, random body parts. He has the longest, fluffiest raccoon tail and he is so uncoordinated.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs041.snc4/34419_1540434264943_1057516893_31592368_23487_n.jp g
Last but, not least. This is our Albino Japanese Hooded Rat. Her name is Tofu and she'll be pushing Three years old very soon. I love her to death and she's spent a lot of time as my resident shoulder rat. Now, she is old and tired and sleeps all day. Rats only live to be about two years old so, she's on borrowed time and I will be very sad to see her go.

Amber
20 Dec 2010, 12:16
This is Maggie.....Usually from this stance she pounces and lands on my shoulder. But I caught her on film before she could do it LOL. Sometimes its just not safe to be near the fridge

DanieMarie
20 Dec 2010, 13:59
This is Petzi:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/SweetMarie_01/4d7d4ebf.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/SweetMarie_01/a27792d9.jpg

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/SweetMarie_01/Picture85.jpg

volcaniclastic
21 Dec 2010, 09:31
This is Petzi:



What type of kitty is he? He looks like a scottish wildcat, almost!

Maulus
21 Dec 2010, 10:22
Just a few of mine int he avatar <<<<<
Top Left: Colin
Top Right: Charlie (deceased)
Bottom Left :George (aka poorly poorly george) and Poppy (adopted from my Grandmother)
Bottom right: Stanley
Middle: Dotty

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Ophidia
21 Dec 2010, 11:10
Chelsie, 2 year old Catahoula Leopard Hound mix. Probably Greyhound mix, and more than her fair share of coyote - if not in genetics then in attitude:

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz56/janefromvegas/Chelsie/DSCN0462.jpg

Aerlina
21 Dec 2010, 15:45
This is my baby, Snickers! I adore him so much and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. He's turning 4 this year.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Aerlindesa/62859_155648171124006_100000364730140_367660_52330 89_n.jpg

This is Kira! She is my second baby, but she is more my husbands baby than mine.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Aerlindesa/12454_102085713146919_100000364730140_51142_183705 1_n.jpg

I love my dachshunds so much! My parents have one, sister has one, my grandmother-in-law is getting one (they were just born this week), and there are already 3 others in my husbands side of the family! Best dogs in the world! (I probably say that because I'm a bit partial to them).

volcaniclastic
21 Dec 2010, 17:01
Cedric ♥

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1389.snc4/164163_631516080713_116205901_36681130_2848436_n.j pg

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http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/volcaniclastic/IMG_0842.jpg?t=1292979652

Juniper
21 Dec 2010, 17:13
Oy. I have too many. Here's a good start.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bloodredraventcm/Pets/DSCN1443.jpg
Left to right: Luna (7), Jinx (7), Lucy (rip 2010), Gemini (8 )
Bottom: Ophelia (8, She has a lot of hair and she is rather tall for a cat, but she is by no means fat. She just looks like it cuz she's poofy.
For some reason they all look way bigger in this pic than they actually are. Luna is our tiniest. Lucy is no longer with us. I miss her dearly.

Magick (16-17 y/o)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bloodredraventcm/Pets/magickroll.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bloodredraventcm/Pets/DSCN1312.jpg

Rain (9ish)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bloodredraventcm/Pets/l_742c1032c4cb58cf962e9fe619eabc2e.jpg

And just cuz I love this pic. This is one of my favorite pics of Lucy:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/bloodredraventcm/Pets/lucy1.jpg

Shadow Dragon
21 Dec 2010, 18:53
Ophelia looks kind of evil in that picture. Like the way a cat would look in a horror movie.

DanieMarie
22 Dec 2010, 04:27
What type of kitty is he? He looks like a scottish wildcat, almost!


I'm not sure...he's a third-hand cat (used to belong to my old roommate, before her he lived with an old lady). His cat passport (vaccination records, birth date, etc) says he's a European Shorthair, but I think he might be some sort of wildcat-influenced breed. He has a lot of personality and physical traits of a Maine Coon, but they're not super common in Europe so not entirely sure. He's definitely not too similar to Domestic or European Shorthairs! He's HUGE and has big paws, gets super fuzzy in the winter, but is kind of a 'gentle giant' and loves to cuddle and loves people.

Clive
22 Dec 2010, 14:35
All your pups and cats make me smile. :)

This is Ella, the seven year old Tibetan spaniel. She's uber lazy and doesn't even want attention most of the time, but when she does she's a mouth-licker. She looks pissed off in this picture because she hates cameras. If you point one at her she barks at you...I think she thinks you're going to attack her.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/NachtSorcier/ella.jpg

This is Skeeter, the thirteen year old miniature pinscher. Like most of her breed, she loves attention, and she's also the alpha bitch of the house. Or she was...now she's just old and cranky. She and Ella are lesbian lovers, I'm pretty sure.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/NachtSorcier/skeeter.jpg

This is Roxy, Skeeter's grand niece. She's almost two and really goofy, not to mention needy. She likes to stand on your chest and rub her face all over yours. My roommate says that for some reason this breed really likes you to talk in their ears, and this one is no exception. And yeah, I need to stitch the arm of that chair. :P
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/NachtSorcier/roxy.jpg

And this is Melody the jackabee - that is, Jack Russell and beagle mix. She's about five and is the only pup in the house who is truly mine. She's a very good dog, the only one who never, ever makes in the house, very well-trained. She likes to howl and "talk" and loves playing fetch and tug of war, though not as much as she used to. She's the best dog I've ever had. I think she was abused before I rescued her, though. She's afraid to walk past the kitchen chairs and every time you hold something she acts like you're going to hit her with it. In fact, she was afraid of the camera, like I was going to throw it at her. I keep her happy, though.
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/NachtSorcier/melody.jpg

We've got two males also, but we keep them on the back porch because one is very big and rowdy and the other considers him his rival. They're show dogs so my roommate won't train them for obedience (can't have them sitting in the ring and whatnot) or have them neutered. I didn't want to take a picture 'cause the porch is really dirty, but I'll snap a few when I get a chance.

LiadanWillows
22 Dec 2010, 16:33
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Alice 7 month old German Shepherd puppy, getting BIG!

volcaniclastic
22 Dec 2010, 18:02
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Alice 7 month old German Shepherd puppy, getting BIG!


I LOVE THIS! He's all like "Oh hai there, whatcha pointing that black thing at me for?"

LiadanWillows
23 Dec 2010, 13:14
I LOVE THIS! He's all like "Oh hai there, whatcha pointing that black thing at me for?"


I know right?! I love when she does this. I trained her to turn her head like that whenever I say "what". It made my mom literally pee her pants once. ;D Ah the joys of having a pet!

Hawkfeathers
04 Feb 2011, 21:47
Buddy, a 21 year old African Grey parrot, lives with me. He's smarter than most people and he knows it.

calfhill
04 Feb 2011, 21:56
This is Vidar (I hope I can make this picture appear here): He's a very old Chihuahua and Chief of Security at my house.
mailbox:///C|/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner.LORAINE/Application%20Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/snk4duiy.default/Mail/pop-server.tampabay.rr-5.com/Inbox?number=837870168&part=1.2&filename=201101261446000.jpg

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Bummer. That didn't work. Let me try something else.

Shahaku
10 Apr 2011, 13:17
Lets see if this works. So, I inherited my parents pooch because niether of them feel they can take care of him on their own. He's a cross between a Boston terrier and a French bulldog. He's such a cutie, a year old, and still looks like a puppy.

kijani
11 Apr 2011, 17:26
I am thinking of getting a goldendoodle in the fall. I used to have a boston terrier, but she was beaten to death by someone in the neighborhood. She was an ESA. It was really hard on me. It's been almost a year. I've been volunteering at a no-kill shelter and started doing some research. I don't have pictures to post yet, but I still wanted to share the plan.

Hawkfeathers
11 Apr 2011, 19:23
My neighbor has a little Benji-type dog, cute as a button. I walked him tonight, which was fun! I enjoy borrowing dogs every now & then.

Almost_lost
19 Apr 2011, 12:28
So, i've kinda been AWOL for a while, and this is the reason why, we got a new puppy, called Poppy. She's a 9month old white staffy cross with one little brown spot on her back.
(sorry for the quality, theyre taken on my phone)

So, first picture is Charlie, my mum, Poppy
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216325_10150156497188027_513738026_6824768_2386799 _n.jpg

Poppy fell asleep on my clean washing!
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/221748_10150159779203027_513738026_6850233_3601941 _n.jpg

Poppy and charlie on my bed
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/216520_10150156498113027_513738026_6824795_2140514 _n.jpg

Poppy and charlie playing in the garden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHlKcQNFrfs

Shadow Dragon
19 Apr 2011, 16:05
I love how Charlie is sitting on the arm of the chair.

Amber
22 Apr 2011, 10:11
Awwwww!!!!!!

Bjorn
22 Apr 2011, 10:57
I AM GETTING A KITTEN FOR OSTARA.

I am so excited ^_^

Shahaku
19 May 2011, 12:51
My dog now knows how to high-five and shake! Up next? Maybe play dead.

volcaniclastic
19 May 2011, 18:33
I AM GETTING A KITTEN FOR OSTARA.

I am so excited ^_^

YOU GOT A KITTEN? HOW did I miss this!?! :O

I have to take my kitty to be neutered next week...he's two. I feel bad. :(

DanieMarie
20 May 2011, 00:13
My kitty missed me while I was away and now he's SUPER clingy! He follows me around the house and it's always like "cat in my face"....it's cute hehe

Tylluan Penry
20 May 2011, 10:31
Our last remaining St Bernard Barney has been very ill these last few months. We really thought we were losing him. In fact, we are. He is on borrowed time, but thanks to a brilliant vet and a lot of love and hugs, he has a very good quality of life at the moment and we are just taking things day by day. But at the moment at least, he is enjoying himself. He has even started singing again (being Welsh - he was Welsh speaking when we had him - 'he do love to sing.' ;))

DanieMarie
20 May 2011, 13:38
Awwwww I'm sorry to hear that. Glad that he's had a very full life though.

Corvus
20 May 2011, 18:56
my kitty is being declawed!! (i was told that a 2 year old cat shouldt be declawed) and she has roundworm :(

Shahaku
20 May 2011, 20:36
Sorry to hear that Tylluan. Sadly our animals usually only have a fraction of the live expectancy we do, so we love them while we can.

Tylluan Penry
21 May 2011, 07:31
You're right, but it always hurts. Still., we're making the most of every day which is all we can do. He's so happy though, it's a pleasure to be with him. :)

LiadanWillows
21 May 2011, 11:00
Took Alice (my 1 yr old German Shepherd) swimming for the first time yesterday. She loved it.


https://fbcdn-video-a.akamaihd.net/cfs-ak-snc6/231265/389/1969172663219_646.mp4?oh=9e365c520b2b28b9ccf0b6b69 8e976ca&oe=4DDAAE00&__gda__=1306177024_feceab5163cf1cafadb98cfe5f931ff 5

DanieMarie
28 May 2011, 15:14
My poor old man kitty. My friend and her daughter and daughter's friend came over tonight, and the girls are 10. The daughter and the cat have gotten along in the past, and he's kind of used to her, but the friend was a bit much for him I think. She kept trying to try to get him to play and trying to pick him up and eventually he just went and hid. The thing is, some people he DOES let pick him up (the daughter was holding him earlier and he was fine with it and purring) but like most cats you can't force it and you just have to let him get used to you. It's kind of funny though...cats and kids aren't always the best mix lol.

DanieMarie
14 Mar 2012, 13:38
Bahhhh cat drama tonight. Petz fell off the sofa and started walking funny for a couple of hours, and I thought he might have pulled, sprained or broken something. He was ok after a rest though...it must have just been a bruise.

Miranda
14 Mar 2012, 14:04
This has been a hard month for our fuzzies and furries. My son lost dog Grizelda and I lost kitty Edgar Allen cat. The same day that Grizzy died, though, my daughter brought home a new yellow lab puppy (Mali) without knowing Grizzy was gone. We also have kitties Lacey, Egypt, Timberwulf, Beowulf, Rapunzel, and Miriam; dogs Bois d'Arc, Callie, and Kenya; horses Star, Rebel, Tamer, and Huckleberry Robin. My son has two dogs, two goats, and more horses than we really want to count.

lorraine02
30 Mar 2012, 04:00
pet, I like dog , but many people like cats, nice stories !

Jembru
30 Mar 2012, 09:37
Another of my mum's guineapigs died yesterday morning. This is the third from the same family that we've lost. One had a tumour, but two died very quickly, before my mum had a chance to take them to the vet. It's so sad. Her friend dropped off two youngsters last night though! So she has four again! Of course, I had to pop over before work to see them. So cute!!

Lavender Rose
06 Jun 2012, 07:37
Had to have another of the orphaned kittens we rescued put down on monday :( was and still is extremely upsetting as we have had them since they were less than two weeks old and I have been hand rearing them for the last almost eight weeks. They're like my babies. I came down in the morning to find the smallest of the kittens laying on her back, extremely cold and seemingly dehydrated. We rushed her to the vets but after a few hours of fluids and warmth, it became obvious that there was something wrong with her little brain bless her. Vet said that some kittens have a problem with their kidneys and that it only becomes a problem when they begin to wean onto food as it causes their blood to bypass their kidneys and the toxins then reach the brain. After several attempts at arguing that she could survive, I finally accepted that it was irreversible and I rushed back down there to say goodbye. Feeling very sad though, as I have lost a member of the family. May the Goddess look after my little kitten called Dolly.

LiadanWillows
06 Jun 2012, 18:20
My German Shepherds Alice (the one closest to the camera is 2 years old) and Miles (he just turned 1 year old)

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420250_736396224551_1730892937_n.jpg

B. de Corbin
07 Jun 2012, 02:27
Had to have another of the orphaned kittens we rescued put down on monday :( was and still is extremely upsetting as we have had them since they were less than two weeks old and I have been hand rearing them for the last almost eight weeks. They're like my babies. I came down in the morning to find the smallest of the kittens laying on her back, extremely cold and seemingly dehydrated. We rushed her to the vets but after a few hours of fluids and warmth, it became obvious that there was something wrong with her little brain bless her. Vet said that some kittens have a problem with their kidneys and that it only becomes a problem when they begin to wean onto food as it causes their blood to bypass their kidneys and the toxins then reach the brain. After several attempts at arguing that she could survive, I finally accepted that it was irreversible and I rushed back down there to say goodbye. Feeling very sad though, as I have lost a member of the family. May the Goddess look after my little kitten called Dolly.

It's hard to loose a pet. My sympathy to you.

Jembru
15 Sep 2012, 16:01
While I'm able to use my netbook at work, I'll share a few pictures of Magpie.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/294602_10152032800770371_1295048081_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394336_10152031934860371_325698241_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/542489_10152031873135371_1586013016_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/546514_10152048548735371_1408878599_n.jpg

She makes me so happy! We really love this puss.

lorraine02
17 Oct 2012, 00:17
always love snoppy , and want to have one , but it needs much money and work for long time without time to company with him.

volcaniclastic
19 Oct 2012, 06:42
While I'm able to use my netbook at work, I'll share a few pictures of Magpie.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/294602_10152032800770371_1295048081_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394336_10152031934860371_325698241_n.jpg

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She makes me so happy! We really love this puss.

I don't know how I never saw this, Jem, but she's adorable!

tseringdolma
19 Oct 2012, 13:49
Hehe the pictures of Magpie remind me of Yahtzee when we first got him, he's 6 months now and grown so much!

Sarkana night
19 Oct 2012, 13:59
While I'm able to use my netbook at work, I'll share a few pictures of Magpie.

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She makes me so happy! We really love this puss.

She is so gorgeously cute! Reminds me of my old cat, Amunet. I wish she still lived!

kijani
21 Oct 2012, 18:17
I have a rescue cat I named Apollo. He's not a kitten. He's probably between 5 and 8 years old but he's my baby. I'll have to get some pictures so I can post them. He's kinda a character. I call him my grumpy old man cat. I initially went in hoping to get a younger cat but he really called to me and I'm glad I brought him home. I'll post pictures as soon as I find some!

Clive
18 Feb 2013, 21:57
We've just welcomed two new members to our family - Timothy the snail and Archimedes the parakeet. Timothy is, well, a snail and little more than an algae eating machine. Archimedes is very timid and quiet and would probably warm up to us all faster if Ziggy the bully cat would stop trying to eat him. I'll eventually get him a little friend.

Jembru
22 Feb 2013, 13:14
Congrats on the new family!! Is that a giant snail? I used to want one or two of those but was put off by stories of flies. People warned me that no matter how clean I keep their tank, there'll always be little flies around. Birds are cool. I'm sure it has come up before, but I adore magpies. Thing with birds is that.. it's like they not only seem to know they used to be dinosaurs, they actually think they're T.rex. I love them for that. They have bags of personality and are very fun to have around, if not the grumpiest, least affectionate animals you could wish to keep! Keep us posted. In fact, this goes to anyone.. let us know how your furry, scaley or feathery friends are doing!

Clive
22 Feb 2013, 13:31
Congrats on the new family!! Is that a giant snail? I used to want one or two of those but was put off by stories of flies. People warned me that no matter how clean I keep their tank, there'll always be little flies around. Birds are cool. I'm sure it has come up before, but I adore magpies. Thing with birds is that.. it's like they not only seem to know they used to be dinosaurs, they actually think they're T.rex. I love them for that. They have bags of personality and are very fun to have around, if not the grumpiest, least affectionate animals you could wish to keep! Keep us posted. In fact, this goes to anyone.. let us know how your furry, scaley or feathery friends are doing!

He's not a giant snail, but he's not teeny-tiny, either. I'm not sure what classification it is. He's about the size of a half-dollar, if that helps. I've never heard the thing about flies. The only reason we got him was so he would eat the algae in the tank where the betta (who has yet to be named) lives.

Archimedes was very scared when I brought her (I'm pretty sure it's a girl) home. She just stood motionlessly and silently in her cage. She's starting to warm up, though. I've been talking and whistling to her and she chirps back to me and moves around. She still won't let me touch her, though. I keep putting my hand in her cage and just keeping it there, trying to get her used to it. She always climbs to the top of the cage if I put my hand near her, though. As I mentioned in another thread, she seems to like the band Saliva...when I put them on she look over and sometimes she'll walk back and forth on her perch and sing along. lol I think she might be a strange one. She doesn't play with her toy or the paper chain I made, even though parakeets normally like to rip things apart.

Funny thing is, my dog is jealous of the bird. When I stand by the bird cage and talk to her, my dog will start whining and acting nervous and begging for my attention, then when I sit down she'll hide under my desk. Can't say as I'm surprised, Archimedes is the first pet I've gotten since I adopted Melody five years ago. I guess the only thing to do is ignore her when she acts like that so she'll learn to share my attention.

Jembru
22 Feb 2013, 13:48
Melody is my favourite name! I actually like it so much I can't use it. Weird, I know, but once it's gone it's gone, you know? You won't get flies with an aquatic snail. I thought it was a terrestrial snail. There is something about the slime they produce that just calls flies to it. Even a newly clean tank will have mucus, so it's apparently hard to control the flies.

I hope Archimedes settles in soon. I've never had a bird myself, but known many domestic birds over the years, and they're amazing fun. I love it when they bond with their owners and ride around on them.. then it's only visitors that need to fear for their earlobes or finger tips!!

Hawkfeathers
22 Feb 2013, 14:05
We've just welcomed two new members to our family - Timothy the snail and Archimedes the parakeet. Timothy is, well, a snail and little more than an algae eating machine. Archimedes is very timid and quiet and would probably warm up to us all faster if Ziggy the bully cat would stop trying to eat him. I'll eventually get him a little friend.

Archimedes is my parrots middle name! I call him Buddy, but his "real" name is Bubo Archimedes. Congrats on your newbies!

Clive
15 Mar 2013, 19:43
Archimedes seems to be kind of an oddball. He's not a nervous mess anymore but still does not want to be touched and refuses to play with toys. That's okay with me, though. He's still a nice bird.

In other news, Apollo the Tibetan spaniel is showing his age...he seems to have a sore leg and has been limping around. This does not stop him from climbing the hill outside, however.

iflewoverthecuckoosnest
15 Mar 2013, 20:16
A video of me playing with my little Chinchilla Man a few years back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYjXhGTkT7o

Now that I have Rocky, I completely understand all of those crazy old cat ladies who refer to their cats as their children. I love the little guy to pieces.

volcaniclastic
16 Mar 2013, 08:48
Now that I have Rocky, I completely understand all of those crazy old cat ladies who refer to their cats as their children. I love the little guy to pieces.

Can verify this. My cat is my tiny little furry child.

Jembru
17 Mar 2013, 00:19
Can I also agree please? We so often forget that magpie is in fact, a cat and not a little child. I can't remember if I already posted a photo of the presents we got her for Christmas, but she was spoilt rotten. We talk for her all the time in a cute little cat voice and just absolutely dote on her. She even has her own seat at the dining table and sits on it, watching us when we're playing cards! She's amazing (although currently making it very hard to type).;/////////////////!// I think I'll leave that in for comic affect. She stood on the keyboard.

WinterTraditions
17 Mar 2013, 00:29
My hamster is just the most adorable thing in the world <333

His name is "Mr.Cuddlesworth" (don't laugh) and he's a golden teddy bear hamster. Whenever he's in his plastic roaming ball, he always goes to one specific wall in the house, and rolls back and forth against it OCD style. It's the cutest thing EVER.

And, of course, he cuddles.

Maria de Luna
21 Mar 2013, 03:17
Can I also agree please? We so often forget that magpie is in fact, a cat and not a little child. I can't remember if I already posted a photo of the presents we got her for Christmas, but she was spoilt rotten. We talk for her all the time in a cute little cat voice and just absolutely dote on her. She even has her own seat at the dining table and sits on it, watching us when we're playing cards! She's amazing (although currently making it very hard to type).;/////////////////!// I think I'll leave that in for comic affect. She stood on the keyboard.I would like to also agree, and I have two furry little babies, and regardless of how big and uncuddly they may feel at any given time... they are fuzzy little babies, who sometimes like to slay dragons with mommy on the computer.

chris1987
27 Apr 2013, 06:19
I have a cat named Dutchess, I took her in since someone abandoned her as a kitten I was about 10 and she was about 3 weeks old, she still needed a bottle! She's about 16 years old now and I love my Dutchess! she even saved me once. I felt like ending everything and normally she was outdoors at that time (she is an indoor cat now.) but for some reason she kept close to me that day and kept pestering, distracting and meowing at me, so I grabbed her and hugged her and gave up my plans.This is my baby!1599

volcaniclastic
27 Apr 2013, 06:25
My cat was alone for two weeks while I was away. I spent most of last night awake because he couldn't stop cuddle mauling my face.

I didn't even mind.

anunitu
27 Apr 2013, 07:18
When I went through my major depression thing my cat really kept me from doing harm to myself. I think animals can sense when you need attention,and they give it in bucket loads. I don't have an animal in my life at the moment,but if I did it would be a cat.

Shawn Cameron
27 Apr 2013, 07:54
I have three cats, (down from 6... long story) and it amazes me how individual their personalities are. all animals are individual but I've never noticed as distinct a difference with any others then I have with cats. (I've had cats, dogs, goats, pigs, cows, rabbits, and birds through my life) and they can defiantly seance when you really need the love. and in the case of mine... when you don't but they just want to get in your way so they give it too you anyway... I have one nuzzling my face now and stepping on my keyboard every time he turns around to come at me at a better angle... and he is too suborn to put on the ground, he will just be back up an instant later... he has won the war of wills this one.

volcaniclastic
27 Apr 2013, 09:47
When I went through my major depression thing my cat really kept me from doing harm to myself. I think animals can sense when you need attention,and they give it in bucket loads. I don't have an animal in my life at the moment,but if I did it would be a cat.

Totally agree. That's actually how I got Cedric 4 years ago - I'd just had knee surgery, I couldn't walk, and my long-term boyfriend who I was living with broke up with me. I had to move out of our place into one of my own without the use of my legs, and I was absolutely wretched. So my mom gave me a kitten.

And now he's a pudgy spoiled little tomcat.

WinterTraditions
27 Apr 2013, 10:38
This is a baby teddy bear hamster! I just got her on Wednesday. I saved her from the animal shelter, as they were going to put her down. She's completely blind.

Some interesting things she likes to do:

- She doesn't sleep in her hut. She instead stretches herself underneath the silent wheel in her cage, or she sleeps in the potty compartment we got her.

- When we hang one of those treat sticks from her cage, she (unlike my other hamster who just gobbles right off of it) nibbles a piece off, and then sits down to eat it patiently.

- She likes to dig through her wood shavings. Right now her cage has a cover over it as she gets used to it. I went to lift it the other morning, and a spray of wood chips flew it me xD

- She spends a solid 10 minutes cleaning herself; legs, feet, arms, head, back, belly, ect....

She's such a lady <333

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chris1987
27 Apr 2013, 11:45
This is a baby teddy bear hamster! I just got her on Wednesday. I saved her from the animal shelter, as they were going to put her down. She's completely blind.

Some interesting things she likes to do:

- She doesn't sleep in her hut. She instead stretches herself underneath the silent wheel in her cage, or she sleeps in the potty compartment we got her.

- When we hang one of those treat sticks from her cage, she (unlike my other hamster who just gobbles right off of it) nibbles a piece off, and then sits down to eat it patiently.

- She likes to dig through her wood shavings. Right now her cage has a cover over it as she gets used to it. I went to lift it the other morning, and a spray of wood chips flew it me xD

- She spends a solid 10 minutes cleaning herself; legs, feet, arms, head, back, belly, ect....

She's such a lady <333

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She is so CUTE! :bounce:

iflewoverthecuckoosnest
27 Apr 2013, 11:58
When I went through my major depression thing my cat really kept me from doing harm to myself. I think animals can sense when you need attention,and they give it in bucket loads. I don't have an animal in my life at the moment,but if I did it would be a cat.

That's beautiful. Animals can be very healing. I remember when I was little my dog would always cuddle up to me and kiss me when I was sad.

Plenilunium
22 May 2013, 13:43
I have one cat named Shadow who is adorable. He's very big and all black. He loves jumping in my lap when I'm trying to do something and he runs right behind me all of the time. (That and the fact we can't see him in the dark is why we named him Shadow).

B. de Corbin
22 May 2013, 17:01
I have one cat named Shadow who is adorable. He's very big and all black. He loves jumping in my lap when I'm trying to do something and he runs right behind me all of the time. (That and the fact we can't see him in the dark is why we named him Shadow).

Sounds like our black cat - Ralph, the invisible cat. When we had a black couch, he kept getting sat on :D

Jembru
24 May 2013, 11:40
Our kitten, Magpie, was hit by a car and killed. We are crippled with grief. Everyone who knew her cried at the news, because she really touched everyones life. She was more than just a cat. We'll never be able to replace her.. not the way she sat at the table with us, on her own seat, or purred and suckled on our dressing gowns or jumpers, or the way she would sit in the same spot at the end of the yard. Or how she loved water... We can get another cat, but it won't ever be the same. JP loved her like a child, and he found her at the roadside. He's traumatized and blames himself. I guess this is just the first tragedy of many, we'll face as a couple. Makes me hate the world so much. Where were my so-called gods when this happened? Why did she come into our world just to be taken from us like this? I'm so angry, and confused and lonely.. i hate waking up, because when I do, I remember, and it's like losing her all over again.

Hawkfeathers
24 May 2013, 12:03
I'm so sorry for your loss, Jembru.

iflewoverthecuckoosnest
24 May 2013, 12:18
Our kitten, Magpie, was hit by a car and killed. We are crippled with grief. Everyone who knew her cried at the news, because she really touched everyones life. She was more than just a cat. We'll never be able to replace her.. not the way she sat at the table with us, on her own seat, or purred and suckled on our dressing gowns or jumpers, or the way she would sit in the same spot at the end of the yard. Or how she loved water... We can get another cat, but it won't ever be the same. JP loved her like a child, and he found her at the roadside. He's traumatized and blames himself. I guess this is just the first tragedy of many, we'll face as a couple. Makes me hate the world so much. Where were my so-called gods when this happened? Why did she come into our world just to be taken from us like this? I'm so angry, and confused and lonely.. i hate waking up, because when I do, I remember, and it's like losing her all over again.

My condolences to you, Jembru. May your sweet little kitten rest in peace. Losing a pet can be so hard, sometimes.

Bjorn
26 May 2013, 14:10
Our kitten, Magpie, was hit by a car and killed. We are crippled with grief. Everyone who knew her cried at the news, because she really touched everyones life. She was more than just a cat. We'll never be able to replace her.. not the way she sat at the table with us, on her own seat, or purred and suckled on our dressing gowns or jumpers, or the way she would sit in the same spot at the end of the yard. Or how she loved water... We can get another cat, but it won't ever be the same. JP loved her like a child, and he found her at the roadside. He's traumatized and blames himself. I guess this is just the first tragedy of many, we'll face as a couple. Makes me hate the world so much. Where were my so-called gods when this happened? Why did she come into our world just to be taken from us like this? I'm so angry, and confused and lonely.. i hate waking up, because when I do, I remember, and it's like losing her all over again.

I will take you with me into prayer tonight. I will be sending "wings" to your cat just in case there is a spirit world, and some much needed love for you. Know that you both were benefited from each other's existence. Maybe I'll send some pink love wings at her or something, because I'm a silly sappy witch.

Anyway. -HUGS-





(is it just me, or does death seems to be hungry as of late? )

Jembru
27 May 2013, 09:26
Thanks for the condolences everyone. I recently looked into whether or not it is cruel to keep a cat indoors. I always just assumed that a cat needs outdoor time. Well, even PETA, yeah, those guys, think it is BETTER to keep a cat indoors. The RSPCA, isn't for or against, the PAWS website has such a strong article about why all cats should be house cats, that I felt wholly responsible for Magpie's death, for letting her out :(

We're definitely getting another kitten. JP wants to wait at least another month, so we have time to properly grieve. He's probably right, but everything reminds us of Magpie: nothing was untouched by her. There's a stocking in our Christmas decorations with her name on, that I'm dreading seeing again... I just want something to focus my love on, so I can stop crying.

volcaniclastic
28 May 2013, 06:11
Thanks for the condolences everyone. I recently looked into whether or not it is cruel to keep a cat indoors. I always just assumed that a cat needs outdoor time. Well, even PETA, yeah, those guys, think it is BETTER to keep a cat indoors. The RSPCA, isn't for or against, the PAWS website has such a strong article about why all cats should be house cats, that I felt wholly responsible for Magpie's death, for letting her out :(

We're definitely getting another kitten. JP wants to wait at least another month, so we have time to properly grieve. He's probably right, but everything reminds us of Magpie: nothing was untouched by her. There's a stocking in our Christmas decorations with her name on, that I'm dreading seeing again... I just want something to focus my love on, so I can stop crying.

I'm so sorry this happened, Jemma.

I don't know if you were a member when it happened to me, but I used to have two cats. They're both inside-outside cats, and in the summers, I let them come and go as they please. I was inside the house, cuddling both of them, and one went out to play. 15 minutes later, I got a call from my landlord asking "if I had an orange cat" ...I dropped the phone, ran out the house barefoot, and was uncontrollably sobbing by the time I made it across the street. Someone had hit him (on my sleepy tiny street), and my landlord put him on the curb so he wouldn't get hit again. Almost no blood, must have died on impact.

I cried unconsolably for six hours on my kitchen floor, until a friend came over and carried me to bed. I mean, my cat was right there, 15 minutes before it happened! I don't know what you did with Magpie's remains, but my friend and I took him out to the country and built a funeral pyre for him. I said some prayers, and sprinkled sage into the fire, and we stood there until we were sure all that remained was ashes. We let the fire burn itself out, and we left. I found it really helped - I didn't grieve as much after that.

Maybe that is a possibility for you, also?

It's sad, but it does get better. And I still have Cedric, three years later, and I still let him outside. It makes me nervous as balls when he goes near the road, but I let him come with me across the street that day, and I let him sniff up my other cat, so he would understand why the house was now a house of one. He was really upset for a while, and he got over it too. It helps that he's afraid of cars.

The decision to let your cat out is a personal one. I let Ced out, because I can't say no to the damn little guy. But if you live near a busy street, or have raccoons, or any kind of predator, I would be more wary. I only let him out in the daytime here, and only because I live at the end of town, on an unpaved street. When he lived for a year at mom's house, he was inside only because she lives near the highway. For us, at night, we have predators that will eat little kitties, so he comes in after dinner.

But either way, it isn't cruel. What is cruel, however, is letting them outside, and then deciding they should be inside. I'm afraid you have to pick one or the other.

Hope you guys feel better, soon. And I'm really sorry about Magpie.

B. de Corbin
28 May 2013, 06:28
Our kitten, Magpie, was hit by a car and killed. We are crippled with grief...

I'm sorry, Jembru. That's always so rough.

Amelia-Mary
28 May 2013, 06:35
(((bigcuddlesJembru))) I'm so sorry :( I hope you can move on from the grief shortly, I can imagine she will definitely stay in your hearts forever <3

Clive
30 May 2013, 06:18
Sorry about your kitty cat, Jem. *hugs*

I don't think I've mentioned yet that I have to give my pets away before I moved. I can't afford the necessary preparations to take my Melody dog to Hawaii and my Archie bird wouldn't survive the flight. A family my dad knows has already agreed to take my dog in; I took her over there yesterday, and there are some problems. They have four dogs already, one of which wouldn't stop trying to rape Melody, and another of which tried to rip her face off. However, the owners of the dogs are confident that the aggressive dog is just a grumpy old boy and will eventually warm up to Melody. They seem to be trustworthy and responsible pet owners, so I'm not too worried. I would feel more comfortable, however, if they would agree to have the horny beagle neutered.

As for Archimedes "Archie" Bird, I have a friend who owns a macaw and once raised parakeets. I need to talk to him about taking my bird in.

Jembru
04 Jun 2013, 16:57
Thanks again everyone! @V: I actually read your post to JP and we sat and cried together. It was very touching, and I think we needed to kow we're not alone in being traumatized by this.

I'm not sure if this is such a good idea or not, but it's kinda too late; I saw I kitten I really wanted and had a 2-day frenzy over trying to contact the lady homing her. After a lot of hard effort from my sister (she kept calling for me while I was sleeping), we finally had confirmation that this little kitty is ours. We colletc her on Friday.

When JP came home on the evening of day one of this frenzy, he found me crying, surrounded by carrier bags of cat toys, a tray, kitten food and a scratching post, because I'd got too excited that I'd get her. The advert was taken offline, so I assumed I'd missed her and was really upset. I had even saved a photo of her to my PC to show JP. Then we checked again and by magic, the advert had been resubmitted with a message from the seller saying that it keeps being removed for no reason.

Well, in the end, I got her, but almost as soon as it was confirmed, I felt horrible for getting a new cat so soon. I just can't be pleased. I don't get the kitten:- I cry, I do get the kitten:- I cry..

She is very pretty. Kind of blue-grey with pale ginger patches now and then (like a washed out tortoise shell). She also part long-haired and the tufty hair on her head makes her look a lot like Yoda, which was maybe her biggest selling point! She'll never replace Magpie, but nothing can replace her. At least now we'll have someone to love and cuddle.

We'll definitely keep her as a house cat. It won't be easy, because people here often think it is cruel to keep a cat indoors (while researching, I discovered that attitudes vary between countries and regions). It's not nice being accussed of being cruel to your cat, but I think we have good grounds, and she's such a rare colour that we could risk her being stolen. We plan to get her used to her basket early, so we can take her to my mum's and JP's mums (who has other cats), so that she gets to explore other places and meet other cats, while always coming home to our cosy flat. Hopefully this will help prevent her from getting bored all cooped up in doors.

Clive: I'm so sorry that you have to re-home your pets. It's not a choice anyone makes lightly. It must be very hard to say good bye.

Clive
07 Jun 2013, 05:58
I'm glad you got a new kittie, Jem. She sounds beautiful. :)

It turns out that I may not have to leave my Melody behind after all. Our move has been delayed by a month, so my parents have decided that we have time enough to get her ready. This means I'm hitting the street looking for a part-time job so I can help pay for the process. Archie still has to stay, unfortunately.

Lilium of the Valley
07 Jun 2013, 08:47
My cat waits until i walk by his cat tree to claw at my head...every frikken day!!!!!!!! lmao
not to mention his jealousy towards the computer :P for certain reasons lol

Rae'ya
09 Jun 2013, 00:38
She is very pretty. Kind of blue-grey with pale ginger patches now and then (like a washed out tortoise shell). She also part long-haired and the tufty hair on her head makes her look a lot like Yoda, which was maybe her biggest selling point! She'll never replace Magpie, but nothing can replace her. At least now we'll have someone to love and cuddle.

We'll definitely keep her as a house cat. It won't be easy, because people here often think it is cruel to keep a cat indoors (while researching, I discovered that attitudes vary between countries and regions). It's not nice being accussed of being cruel to your cat, but I think we have good grounds, and she's such a rare colour that we could risk her being stolen. We plan to get her used to her basket early, so we can take her to my mum's and JP's mums (who has other cats), so that she gets to explore other places and meet other cats, while always coming home to our cosy flat. Hopefully this will help prevent her from getting bored all cooped up in doors.

I'm sorry for your recent loss, Jembru, and please don't feel guilty for getting a new kitten. Sometimes they come to us, with or without our input.

I just wanted to chip in to your questions over indoor vs outdoors for cats. I'm a vet nurse (vet tech for those in the US) and a cat lover/owner and I am absolutely an advocate of indoor cats or enclosed cat runs. Without question. There is nothing cruel about it and people who say that it is cruel just don't understand cats. There are some cats who don't adapt to being totally indoors and who require outdoor enclosures (which is my recommendation anyway because it's better mental and physical stimulation), and there are some cats who end up in a family that they don't suit and would be better off somewhere else (not necessarily outside) but if it's done properly then there is nothing cruel about it.

I also want to say that there's nothing cruel about having an outdoor cat that you then make indoors. Most cats will adjust surprisingly well if it's done properly. My cat was 9 years old when we changed him to being indoors with an outside enclosure and he never had problems. He's a lot happier and safer now and is 16 - he wouldn't have made it to this age if he was still outdoors. The clinic cat at the clinic I work at was an injured stray of 2-3 years old when he came to us. He's now 11-12 and is one of the happiest clinic cats you'll ever see (some clinic cats suffer anxieties over sharing their space with patients - Flynn doesn't).

The key there is that it must be done properly. Cats don't get bored being indoors if you give them things to do. Scratching posts, shelves to climb on, toys, hidey holes etc. The thing to remember is that if your cat likes to climb, you MUST give it something to climb on. If your cat likes to hide, you MUST give it something to hide in. Some cats live indoors without any modifications at all... some cats need some special furniture and/or changes to the house to keep them happy. Problems don't occur because a cat is indoors and it's 'cruel', they occur because we aren't giving them the correct environment and mental and physical stimulation. Cats can have anxiety problems from being around other cats, small children, dogs, from not having appropriate hidey holes or escape routes, from lack of mental stimualtion, from visitors, from workmen, from loud noise like the vacuum cleaner etc etc. You just have to accept that your cat is an individual with a personality and preferences and make sure that you can share your space happily. Like having a room mate who hates your loud music. If you want to live together you have to compromise.

Here in Australia there are many companies that make cat enclosures, either permanent structures, transportable ones or temporary things that can be attached to rental houses without damaging the facias and things. You can even get enclosures that build onto balcony windows or run along the outside of the house from window to window. You can even get little UV protected boxes to put in windows so that your cat can sunbake without fear of skin cancer. We have all sorts of dangers here in Australia to worry about... cat fight abscesses, cars, FIV, FeLV, skin cancer on ears and noses, fatal snake bite (it's Australia... pretty much all of our snakes are venomous and they can live in the suburbs), cane toads (in some states). Not to mention the thought that outdoor cats damage our native wildlife (which is debatable but that's a whole other issue). About the only thing we don't need to worry about here is rabies. Cat enclosures are an absolutely brilliant thing and I will never have another outdoor cat in my life. I look at it like this... we keep our dogs locked up in backyards by themselves (dogs, who are social creatures and need a lot of social contact as well as physical and mental stimulation) to keep them safe, why shouldn't we afford our cats the same protection?

Having said that I don't actually think it's cruel to let them outdoors. It's just not as safe. You didn't cause your kitty's accident by letting her outside. No one causes the death of their cat by letting them outside, its just a risk that we take with outdoor cats. And it's up to each individual to chose whether or not they accept those risks. Personally I don't and I recommend that my clients don't, but some people accept the risks and that's their prerogative.

Lastly, cats are generally solitary creatures and don't actually like to socialise much with cats that aren't part of their colony. So taking your cat away from it's house into another cat's house is actually not a great idea. Some cats can cope with that, others get a great deal of anxiety about it. It could cause more problems than good, so just be careful of that. Cats aren't like dogs.

Anyway... that was a bit longer than I intended. Forgive me if I sound a bit opinionated but I love animals and I understand them... it's my job to protect them, to heal them, to keep then healthy and to educate my clients about how to do all that. I work with animals both physically and spiritually... I'm passionate about animals and about facilitating their happy and healthy relationship with people.

*climbs off her soapbox*

Jembru
09 Jun 2013, 08:20
Thanks so much Rae'ya! You've helped to ease some of my anxiety. There is a friend of the family who makes hutches and runs for small animals, who might be willing to make us something especially for Dolly (she came home on Friday and we called her Dolly). We've moved the book case magpie used to use to get onto the wardrobes, so I might invest in a tall cat tree that she can use to climb up there.

We talked about maybe trying to get her used to wearing a harness. I'm just worried that even if she takes to it, once she goes outside sometimes, it will make her cry at the doors to be out.

I'm also worried that the lady has given her a kitten too young. For some reason, I was convinced the advert said 8 weeks, but she doesn't look 8 weeks to me. Maybe I should put up a picture. She's eating well and using her litter tray at least. She never cried for her mum or brother, but if we both leave the room, she starts calling out and sounds really distressed.

Anyway, thanks again for your helpful message. I'm going to show it to my partner too.

Rae'ya
09 Jun 2013, 18:16
Post up a pic and I'll see if I can tell if she's 8 weeks or not. This age is about the only time you can tell just by looking how old a cat is lol. They normally wean at 4 weeks so if she's eating well then she's over that. Is she eating dried kibble or just soft stuff?

They all cry when they're alone at first. Puppies do the same thing, unless they've already been in a shelter or something. When you think about it, she's just gone from always having someone with her (mum, other kittens, people) to suddenly being left on her own. That's a scary thing for a baby. It's quite natural for a young animal to call for their mother or siblings when they're alone - just survival instinct. Mums don't kick kittens out 'in the wild' until they're about 4-6 months old, so it's quite against their nature for us to be giving kittens away at 8 weeks old. They learn independence and socialisation in those first 6 months and are giving special 'get out of jail free cards' by other adult cats. Once they're sexually mature then they are treated like any other cat, and are fair game for fights, hunting and territory disputes. We just have to encourage her to grow up a bit faster than normal. She'll get the hang of it, but there are a few things you can do to help. In the room where she's alone, put a warm snuggly bed, maybe with a hot water bottle in it. A metronome or ticking clock can also be comforting for them, as can the radio on low. She should grow out of it, but try not to pander to the crying too much. Don't go in there and pick her up and cuddle her, because that will encourage it to turn into attention seeking and you'll teach her to be a noisy cat. Just go back in, say something short and simple and in a normal tone of voice to let her know that you're there, otherwise ignore her for a minute, act as though you didn't hear any crying at all and try to think of ways to keep her comforted when you leave. Maybe put her in her bed with a teddy bear or something that she can snuggle into. Remember that it's probably the first time she has ever been alone in her life.

As far as an enclosure goes, wait until you know a bit of her personality before you think about getting one built, especially if it will be small. Small is actually not an issue as all, as long as it's built on the correct plane. Some cats prefer vertical space to horizontal space... generally if she's a climber then she needs vertical space. Watch her over the next few weeks - if she's always trying to get up on the couch or climbing the curtains or something then she needs vertical space and it doesn't really matter how wide it is. Shelves that go up with little tunnels and ramps and things. If she stays on the ground or the bed is the highest she ever goes then some horizontal space with maybe just a low shelf and a hidey hole would be fine. The worst thing you can do for a vertical-plane cat is not give them space to climb up!

Scratching posts... not all cats like the carpet covered ones. Cats have a personal preference for what they like to hone their claws on. Mine likes vinyl. The clinic cat likes carpet. Some like rope or leather or whatever. So if they wont use the fancy cat post you bought, but like to claw the couch, get your post re-covered lol. Also, a scratching post needs to be tall enough for the cat to stretch out completely at full length. So those short ones actually aren't that great. Again, they don't actually have to be vertical, because some cats like to stretch out along the ground. My cat goes horizontal along the ground and scratches at the vinyl low down and so we actually have a 'scratching chair' out in the cat-run rather than a scratching post for him to poke holes in.

Harness training can be helpful if you want to give short visits outside under supervision, but not strictly necessary. Some of the problem with half indoor-half outdoor cats is that while they've been inside, someone else has come and marked their yard. That encourages anxiety and cat fights. I've recently converted one of my patients to totally indoors for this very reason. He would come inside and fight with the other cat and spray urine around the house out of anxiety, partially because every time he went out he had to re-stake his claim on his yard, and every time he came in he had to re-stake his claim on his house. Making it consistent was part of the treatment plan, along with some pheromone diffusers and retraining. Lots of people go 'well he doesn't like to be inside' and make their cat totally outdoors, in which case the cat is 'cured', but it's rarely that they don't like inside, just that they don't like the inconsistency. Having a cat door helps with that, plus single cat households don't experience it quite as much as multiple cat households. One of my colleagues used to have her cats out on a harness before they had a cat enclosure built, because they were in a snake area. She would peg them out on a long lead and let them stay for an hour or so. Only one of her three cats actually enjoyed this, the other two didn't like it so she stopped doing it for them. Also remember that they usually prefer garden to lawn, so if you do it then take her into the garden and the shrubs to play rather than expecting her to play on the lawn like a dog.

Crying to go out/for food/whatever, you can train them out of. Apart from Oriental breeds, who are difficult to train out of 'talking' because it's part of their nature, it's easy enough to do. Just ignore it. It sounds mean but seriously, ignore it and they'll stop doing it. My cat used to cry for food every single day whenever you went in the kitchen until someone fed him (and would then try to con a second dinner from someone else). It used to drive us nuts. When I became a vet nurse and learned about these things I retrained him not to, by setting a consistent dinner time and having everyone ignore the crying. It took a few weeks but he doesn't cry for his food anymore. He also doesn't bother trying to wake me up for breakfast anymore because I ignore him and roll over. My lorikeet is the same - he's quiet as a mouse for me but he cries for attention with my husband, because my husband gets frustrated and tells him to be quiet and goes and looks at him. Ignore it, don't look at them, don't speak to them, pretend you can't hear it. Then spontaneously reward the quiet behaviour. It's the same thing I teach all the puppy-parents in my puppy classes lol. Just remember that the crying she's doing when you leave the room now is a little different, because it's the natural contact request of a baby looking for it's security. So that's not simple attention seeking but it can become attention seeking as she gets older if you handle it the wrong way.

Jembru
13 Jun 2013, 06:45
Thanks again for your post! I think I'll keep referencing them actually. Well, we've actually never had visiting cats to our yard. Even the little boy Magpie always followed around, never came into the yard and instead waited outside the gate for her. It has high walls, and even when my roommate still lived here with her rabbit and guinea pig, cats never visited. Magpie got out by jumping on a window ledge and then onto the garage roof that was about half a foot lower than the wall, so maybe other cats haven't worked that out and just see a yard they probably couldn't get out of. We wondered if blocking off this route would keep Dolly in the yard, but don't want to try in case it doesn't work. While it's possible to get a cat with a taste for outdoors, used to indoor life, it would surely be better if we never have to do that. So many hard decisions to make...

She's very well litter trained, always remembering to go when she wakes up, and she is on both dried kitten food and wet. We give the dried in a little dish separately.

I've uploaded a video to youtube so you can see her better than in a photo.


http://youtu.be/IpKh75kB5SM

Please excuse the vile carpet. The cigarette burns were my ex roommate, honest! ^^ I asked the landlord for a new one but he said if we want a new carpet we'd have to pay for it. :(

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Oh also, should I be worried that she cries whenever she has a poop? I've thinking of taking her to visit a vet if it still happens when I'm next off work.

Rae'ya
14 Jun 2013, 04:18
It's a bit hard to tell without getting a good look at her face but I would guess that she looks about 6-8weeks old, She doesn't strike me as younger, and if she's chewing on dry food happily then she is at least 6 weeks. I don't think she's over 8 weeks.


Oh also, should I be worried that she cries whenever she has a poop? I've thinking of taking her to visit a vet if it still happens when I'm next off work.

Yes, I would be worried. That's not normal and it shows that she has pain on toileting. Don't panic - it's not necessarily life threatening, but it shows that there's something not quite right. It could be as simple as the food that she eats not creating the right consistency of faeces, which is causing pain when it passes. This is especially true in very young puppies or kittens, due to food and digestion changes, and their small size. I normally tell people feed them the best quality food you can afford, because there IS a big difference between the expensive vet stuff and the cheap off-brand stuff - but always make changes slowly over a week or two. Stick to a good quality cat food (kitten food at this age), and don't give her extras, except maybe some chicken wing tips when she's a bit older for dental care. She looks a little pot bellied, which despite popular belief is actually not normal in kittens and puppies and is often a sign of worms or of cheap pet foods. Have you wormed her? A worm burden could also be causing her issues with toileting. Otherwise from what I can tell she looks to be a good weight, but then I can't be sure without actually touching her because I can't see beneath the fuzz. I really want to ask you what her poos look like, but that's kind of... weird, isn't it? lmao. Who asks that on a pagan forum? A vet nurse, obviously. :rolleyes:

Either way, if she's 6-8 weeks old then she's due for her first vaccinations (yes, I'm an advocate, even for indoor cats as cat flu is airborne and can be caught through open windows or doors). Even animals who are not vaccinated should have regular check ups - for kittens and puppies that means when you get them, at least twice before desexing time. For adults that means every single year. Sometimes we pick things up in health checks before you see signs at home, and sometimes what people think is normal is actually not normal at all and there are things we can do about it.

Jembru
14 Jun 2013, 20:21
I should probably try to get some photos up of JP holding her, or put her next to a DVD or something, because I might make her look larger than she is (I'm very small, just 5' tall with creepy tiny hands ^^).

We've already decided we'll be keeping her vaccinations up to date. In fact, it was never even up for debate. In Magpie's case, we had a plan through the vet that entitled us to a lifetime of yearly boosters and health checks. We paid out a lot of money for that, and the other precautions we took to ensure her safety (we had her spayed and chipped) and yet when she died, they didn't even send us a card. They just charged us a further 45 to dispose her body. I'm quite upset by the way they treated us actually, so we're going to a different vet with Dolly. We'll be getting her spayed too, although we haven't decided if it's worth having her chipped.

In the UK, vets generally vaccinate from 9 weeks, so we have an appointment for her for Monday morning. I have a few other concerns so I really want her checked over, even if the vet decided she's not 9 weeks. yet.

I got one spot wormer (and flea treatment, but she's too young for it yet), before she even came home to us. Unfortunately, the lable says not to use it on kittens under 1kg. Dolly is a little shy of 1kg so we haven't been able to give her it yet. I personally think she's close enough, but my partner, JP, is very protective and insists I wait. If she hasn't had it by Monday, I'll see if the vet can give her anything. There's nothing visible in her poops at least, but I know they don't always show right away (I worked for 9 months in the cattary of an animal shelter, although it was many years ago now).

My other concern is her ears. I can't see anything, but she defiitely seems to be scratching and shaking her head too much. This poor little girl...

Rae'ya
14 Jun 2013, 23:09
The ears is probably ear mites, and the vet can confirm for you on Monday. A young puppy or kitten is the ONLY time I will ever say 'it's probably ear mites' without seeing a pet, because its very very rare to have ear infections at that age, and very, very common to have ear mites lol Adults rarely get ear mites, but pet shops seem to like to tell people that any ear scratching is mites, when in actual fact it's more likely to be an infection.

It sounds like you're well on top of things, which is good to see. The vet can sort out the rest for you on Monday. They should also be able to confirm her age by looking at her size and her teeth. And make sure to mention about her toileting problems. And they can check for signs of fleas and other things. Make sure you go to a vet who actually does a proper health check during vaccinations - some vets just do cheap vaccinations and don't actually do health exams unless a pet is sick. The best ones (I could be biased here... given that we do this!) do a full health exam at every visit, including teeth and ears, will talk to you about good nutrition, worming, fleas, toys, all those sorts of things that people sometimes feel is 'overselling'. When they're your babies you want to make sure that they are getting the best we can give them!

It's disappointing about your previous vet, especially if you had paid out a pre-paid health plan. At our clinic, EVERYONE gets at least a letter when their pet dies. Most actually get a brass memorial plaque as well. And we would (and have) transfer any pre-paid plan over to a new pet if one dies very young. It's sad that you've had that experience with them. Our pets are a part of our family, and should be afforded the respect and compassion that reflects that. My clinic's motto is '...because they're family' and that's just the way that we see it. Even if they have only been with you for a short time, it's still just as tragic and just as heartbreaking to lose them.

Ouranos Ouroboros
05 Jul 2013, 03:38
I lost my fur-kid Iroh a few months back. He was always very clever in figuring out devices and learning the house rules and such, but he never seemed to notice magical energy much (certainly not as much as his younger brother). Only now that he's crossed the veil do I feel that we might be able to share a circle. Has anyone else had an experience where a pet only wants to work with you after they die? If so, have you got any advice? I've only had one familiar. I've never wanted to have another after he died (about 20 years ago). But I do think I might want to work with Iroh now, if I can figure out quite how. I don't think I will be holding him to this world. His form in the otherworld is already starting to change; I have no problem with it, and I still recognize him when he's an amorphous cloud and such.

Jembru
08 Jul 2013, 14:12
I've just realised I never updated here. Well, the vet thought she was 6 or 7 weeks when he looked at Dolly. She also definitely had ear mites so he gave me some drops that he said would clear them up in a few days. Well, she is onto her second bottle and 3 weeks have past and she still has the infestation. It takes both of us to get the drops in, she cries, and although we hold her ears down and rub them for a few moments, she eventually struggles free and shakes her head. Then the drops go all down her face making her look perminantly wet. She rubs her ears on the floor too. The vet suggested warming the drops, but this hasn't made any difference. We're feeding her chicken just after we've put the drops in, which distracts her, but only delays the inevitable.

This cat will be the end of me! We love her to bits, but my gods she's hard work. She's having wees on the rug and on her stuffed unicorn, even though she's litter trained and her tray is kept clean. She DOES sometimes go to pee, then when we make a dash for her, seems to remember and go to her tray, but there are also the times where we don't get to her on time and, well.. it's a disaster.

Magpie had a similar phase and did grow out of it, but I'm a bit worried. We can't watch her 24/7.

Rae'ya
08 Jul 2013, 22:18
I've just realised I never updated here. Well, the vet thought she was 6 or 7 weeks when he looked at Dolly. She also definitely had ear mites so he gave me some drops that he said would clear them up in a few days. Well, she is onto her second bottle and 3 weeks have past and she still has the infestation. It takes both of us to get the drops in, she cries, and although we hold her ears down and rub them for a few moments, she eventually struggles free and shakes her head. Then the drops go all down her face making her look perminantly wet. She rubs her ears on the floor too. The vet suggested warming the drops, but this hasn't made any difference. We're feeding her chicken just after we've put the drops in, which distracts her, but only delays the inevitable.

What is the name of the drops? We use ivermectin in the ears and I have NEVER had a case of ear mites that don't die within the first course (which is one dose on the first day, then another dose two weeks later). We have also had success just using plain old topical Advocate or Revolution, but it takes longer to get rid of the ear mites then. The other possibility is that she no longer has mites but now has an infection, in which case the mite drops wont be helping. Did you take her back to the vet to have a recheck?


This cat will be the end of me! We love her to bits, but my gods she's hard work. She's having wees on the rug and on her stuffed unicorn, even though she's litter trained and her tray is kept clean. She DOES sometimes go to pee, then when we make a dash for her, seems to remember and go to her tray, but there are also the times where we don't get to her on time and, well.. it's a disaster.

Magpie had a similar phase and did grow out of it, but I'm a bit worried. We can't watch her 24/7.

Did this just start in the last few weeks? It could be the stress from the ear drops causing some generalised anxieties, which tends to lead to urinating in inappropriate places. The most important thing to do is reduce all stress related to toileting. Don't yell at her, don't get angry, don't make her feel stressed or bad about it as that normally just makes it worse. Two litter trays is better than one... the general rule is to have one litter tray per cat plus one extra. Wash the rug and her unicorn in an enzyme based washing powder (in Australia the brand we use is called Bio-Zet) as well as the carpet under the rug. Go down to the supermarket and look at all the washing machine powders that are designed to wash your clothes with and find one that uses enzymes rather than detergent, and use that. It's cheaper than buying a bottle of 'Urine Cleaner' and works just as well. Also make sure that her tray is close to where she spends a lot of time, so that she doesn't have to go all the way to the other side of the house to use it... she's the equivalent of a toddler right now... toddlers get distracted, they forget, they can't hold it... make it as easy as possible for her to 'win' at this. An easy route to the tray, a guaranteed clean tray each time, a private place to pee and a litter substrate that she likes (that's the stuff that you put in the tray). Also, if she's really struggling then you may need to temporarily put her tray on the rug where she has been having accidents, then slowly move it away down the hall until it's in the place you want it to be.

Good luck.

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Also I just remembered that she was having problems with using her bowels, right? There's a small chance that she has developed an aversion to her litter tray because she's experienced pain while using it. This is a case where we should look at the simple things first, but keep in the back of your mind that cats do develop aversions to litter trays and substrates because of seemingly silly things like they had a urinary tract infection and it hurt, or the washing machine started spinning while they were using it, or the dog sniffed at them and gave them a fright. They also develop food aversions very easily too. They are complicated creatures lol

Jembru
09 Jul 2013, 00:02
Oh, the toilet thing. The vet checked her and said there wasn't anything that could be causing her pain, but sometimes younger cats make a fuss when having a poo because it is a new sensation. So I think it's most likely not that. We've taken the rug up for now, to see if that discourages her.

The eardrops are called canaural and it was 2 sets of 3-5 drops a day for 5 days the first time. usually we managed 1-3 drops twice a day. This time, he has said 'as much as you can get in before she bolts, once a day'. So we're like, filling her poor ears with the stuff. I'm thinking of leaving this vet though. I have a bad feeling about him and don't want him spaying dolly. There's a topical option? FFS, sure it could take longer, but this has been 3 weeks of traumatising her daily now. I have spoken to friends and everyone seems to have had the same kind of drops. My guess is either other forms aren't available in this country, or more likely, this is the cheapest option for the vet (and they still sell it to us at a high price, I think I paid 17 each for the two bottles I have had. We've already paid for both injections, so we'll have to take her there for her next one, but after that, condolence card or no condolence card, I'm taking Dolly to Magpie's old vet.

It's weird, before I read your reply just now, I said to JP that we should think of having 2 trays. This is a very small flat. As an Australian, you'd probably be horrified at how small some of the housing is in the UK (I have it on good faith, thanks to the TV show QI, that we have the smallest houses in Europe and far smaller than the US and Australia, I think, if I remember correctly, the average Brit lives in a third of the space the average Aussie enjoys, and pretty much the same space as the Japanese, who have notoriously small houses), so there isn't really such a thing as 'far to her tray'. Our living room opens into the kitchen and there's a little step there. Dolly's tray is right next to the step, and as we never close the kitchen door, she can always see her tray. This isn't where Magpie's was. Magpie's was a whopping 2 meters away, right on the other side of the kitchen. It was tucked behind the freezer though, so not as obvious. Oh and the place she pees on the rug, is less than 2 meters from her liter tray, being right in the middle of the living room. lol

Anyway, great advice. We'll try putting a second tray down where magpie's old one was, as her bed is actually closer to there (there's a small passage way from the kitchen to the bathroom, that is carpeted and her bed is there. I suspect she might also be peeing on that carpet but the nose test hasn't located the spot yet. ^^

Do you think praising her for using her tray will make any difference? She IS using it maybe 80% of the time. It's just I can't imagine cat's giving a damn if we think they've been good or not, not like a dog who just lives and breathes for that golden nugget of praise. (aww, I adore dogs almost as much as cats, but for such different reasons it's impossible to really compare them).

Rae'ya
09 Jul 2013, 01:41
The eardrops are called canaural and it was 2 sets of 3-5 drops a day for 5 days the first time. usually we managed 1-3 drops twice a day. This time, he has said 'as much as you can get in before she bolts, once a day'. So we're like, filling her poor ears with the stuff. I'm thinking of leaving this vet though. I have a bad feeling about him and don't want him spaying dolly. There's a topical option? FFS, sure it could take longer, but this has been 3 weeks of traumatising her daily now. I have spoken to friends and everyone seems to have had the same kind of drops. My guess is either other forms aren't available in this country, or more likely, this is the cheapest option for the vet (and they still sell it to us at a high price, I think I paid 17 each for the two bottles I have had. We've already paid for both injections, so we'll have to take her there for her next one, but after that, condolence card or no condolence card, I'm taking Dolly to Magpie's old vet.

There is some evidence that Canaural kills ear mites, but we don't use it for that. It's primarily used in bacterial infections. Did he actually look down her ears or take a sample of the wax and look at it under the microscope? It's obviously not working for you. Get some Advocate or Revolution, if you can. I know that Revolution is used in the UK, though I'm not sure about Advocate. They are our second choice and the product that our most recent associate vet is used to using. My vets have always used Ivomec cattle drench in the ears... I also use it for killing mites and lice on my bird. It's a bit fiddly because you have to get the correct dose and mix it with carriers etc, but it does the trick. Both Revolution and Advocate are just at topical 'spot on' on the back of the neck, and also kill worms and fleas. You buy a box of three or six and apply it monthly. I would do at least three months if you've had ongoing problems. But beware using it if you have just dosed her with something else for worms or fleas... check that the products are compatible or you can risk overdose.


Do you think praising her for using her tray will make any difference? She IS using it maybe 80% of the time. It's just I can't imagine cat's giving a damn if we think they've been good or not, not like a dog who just lives and breathes for that golden nugget of praise. (aww, I adore dogs almost as much as cats, but for such different reasons it's impossible to really compare them).

It may help, and cats DO respond to positive reinforcement, it's just that they are motivated by different things than dogs and so it's a lot harder to make it work. Rewarding use of the litter tray is not normally included in programs for re-training urinating in inappropriate places, but you could give it a try. You also have to consider that some cats prefer to be private and not have a big deal made out of their ablutions, so giving them attention for using the litter tray can actually be counter-productive in that case. I would first try the giving her two options, one that's a little more private (but still has an escape route... cat's don't like to be cornered). Ironically enough, cat's who don't like where their litter tray is for privacy reasons will sometimes pee in very public places. It's very strange... I don't think we'll ever truly understand the mind of a cat!

Jembru
09 Jul 2013, 11:20
OMG Thanks. We will definitely change vets. In fact, I might make an appointment with the new vet anyway, and just explain that I need to go back to the other guy just for the second jab, just so we can get her on to better treatment right away.

The second tray idea should be great then, because if she is favouring the more hidden location, we know that she just wasn't comfortable being right next to the step, which probably feels very exposed. I'm on night shift tonight and tomorrow, and tomorrow, I'm starting at 5pm (15 hour shift, nightmare, but profitable ^^), so I can't get the second tray until Thursday now, but I will definitely get it. I'll probably try her on just the one tray once we know which one she prefers and the accidents stop.

I got a bit upset this morning, because she was being hyper and attacking my hand. She is only playing, but I am on my time of the month and I always have overwhelming feelings of self-pity around this time (30 minutes later, I was crying because the people on Animal Crossing were being mean to me when I was just trying to be their friend). So I'd convinced myself she hated me. She was all fluffed up, with what I call her 'sharp face' and wouldn't stop. She could actually be teething and that's making her want to chew. I cried for a while, and thought about how Magpie always had a purr and a love for me when I was sad and that make me cry more.

I was worried that I'd be stressing her out even more, so I decided to see if there was music for relaxing cats like there is for dogs. There is! Strangely enough, it really seemed to work too, even though it's really just generally soothing music. She lay beside me before the end of the first track (I found a playlist) and when I stroked her she purred. She's doesn't tend to purr too much, but she did this morning. I'm almost sure she was really listening to the music too, because she kept looking up, jolting out of her snooziness, when an advert played (I don't have ad-blocker switched on, so I'll have to work out how to do it and change that). I made her her very own playlist of this music and I'm playing it now for her. She had a little play earlier, but usually she is all over the keyboard when I'm trying to study my podcast lessons, yet tonight, she's just lying peacefully on the sofa.

Oh I have also noticed that if I scratch around in her tray because I've just skipped it out, she'll come and sniff me then have a little wee, so maybe I need to do this a few times a day, so she uses her tray and doesn't get caught out and use the rug.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcqdESGiTc

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Oh and I forgot to say (I do that: so many words, so little communication of facts), no, the vet did nothing but look in her ears. The vet we took Magpie to, even trimmed her claws while we were there without charging extra, it was just part of the general checkup process we were already paying for (I had a plan with them, I think I said already). This other vet did nothing of the sort. The first time we were there, he took a long phone call right after, without forwarding the notes to the receptionist, who then didn't know what to give us or charge for. We waited 20 minutes for the call to end, and when it didn't, the receptionist eventually interrupted him. The next time we went (we've only been twice), there was an emergency waiting for him. A poor elderly lady's cat was very sick. Our appointment was at 9am, but of course, we understood that the other cat was a priority, and would hope they'd do the same for Dolly if she was in need of help. So that wasn't the problem. The problem was that this emergency had been waiting since 8:30, when the vet was meant to open and at 9:30, he still hadn't shown up to work because he'd slept in. The staff swore a few times too. Just in a casual friendly way, but it didn't give off a good impression.

Heka
09 Jul 2013, 19:04
On the music thing, when I used to live at home and practise piano one of the cats would visit and sit on the stool with me :)

Rae'ya
09 Jul 2013, 21:29
I got a bit upset this morning, because she was being hyper and attacking my hand. She is only playing, but I am on my time of the month and I always have overwhelming feelings of self-pity around this time (30 minutes later, I was crying because the people on Animal Crossing were being mean to me when I was just trying to be their friend). So I'd convinced myself she hated me. She was all fluffed up, with what I call her 'sharp face' and wouldn't stop. She could actually be teething and that's making her want to chew. I cried for a while, and thought about how Magpie always had a purr and a love for me when I was sad and that make me cry more.

She's young and was possibly taken away from her litter too early. She may not have learned proper play boundaries and doesn't necessarily know that she's hurting you. Try not to use your hand for play but use toys or string on a stick or something. Some cats play very gently, and others don't differentiate between 'hand play' and 'toy play' and so they use their claws. When they're aroused in play mode (especially when their eyes go real big because they're worked up) then they are not paying attention like normal. Getting upset or frustrated or angry just makes them even more aroused and more likely to play rough. A calm voice, slow movements and other calming techniques help much more... it sounds like you already clued into that with the music. Let her have her rough play times but use a toy that she can chase around the floor, then have calm time together with snuggles when she's not feeling crazy. Cats are designed for short bursts of activity... so they'll normally have ten minutes of crazy and then settle down. Time your snuggles to not interfere with the crazy patches.

kijani
11 Jul 2013, 00:00
I had to rehome Trooper. I got him when he was eight weeks old. He was a red, full-blooded miniature pinscher, and he was special needs. He was actually given to us because the lady who bred him wanted to find him a good home, but with me using the cane pretty much all the time now, it was getting harder to watch after him, and with my service dog pup coming to the house next month, I talked it over with the family and we found a really nice family down the street that is going to spoil him rotten. They stayed and talked to us for like three hours and watched him move around and play, and the lady refused to take him until he was ready to come to her all on his own, so we just kinda talked to them until she called for him and then finally he looked at me and went to her. She lives right down the street though, and she said she's going to keep me updated and that if she feels that he's not settling in/is unhappy she'll give us a call and she'll bring him back if we want. I know it's best for him. It just sucks. :<

Heka
11 Jul 2013, 00:47
Awwwww Kijani! I could never imagine having to give one of my dogs away! I just realised one is nearly 5, so he could actually be most of the way through his life and I was devastated! Imagine giving one away! I'm so sick and emotional right now I want to cry! Waaaaaaah! I'm trying to be strong, thinking of all the love you can give your service dog, and that trooper will be just down the road.

But waaaaaah!

Jembru
11 Jul 2013, 13:38
Kijani, is that the handsome fella in your photo? I'm so sorry you've had to rehome him, but you've done it for the right reasons. It's not a decision anyone would make easily. It must be very hard.

Well, so far so good. Two full dry days and a very soggy tray! I think the music is having an affect on my well-being too, I've been feeling a bit more positive these last few days.

thalassa
31 Aug 2013, 15:45
One of Chickadee's hamsters is sick...I think it has wet tail :( We're on our 2nd dose of antibiotics, and have it isolated and in its own little cage with clean food and fluff and water. Poor little guy...positive energy would be good. She will be heartbroken if he doesn't make it...he's her favorite.

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this little guy is GoGo

Rae'ya
31 Aug 2013, 21:37
One of Chickadee's hamsters is sick...I think it has wet tail :( We're on our 2nd dose of antibiotics, and have it isolated and in its own little cage with clean food and fluff and water. Poor little guy...positive energy would be good. She will be heartbroken if he doesn't make it...he's her favorite.

Awwww hamsters are so cute. We don't have them in Australia and I've never seen one in person, but hubby has shown me lots of photos.

I hope this little one gets better and I'll send some energy his way.

Gleb
01 Sep 2013, 03:44
My cat and dog are always fighting. Though, I love them, and they love me :)

thalassa
02 Sep 2013, 04:57
One of Chickadee's hamsters is sick...I think it has wet tail :( We're on our 2nd dose of antibiotics, and have it isolated and in its own little cage with clean food and fluff and water. Poor little guy...positive energy would be good. She will be heartbroken if he doesn't make it...he's her favorite.

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this little guy is GoGo


The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

Hawkfeathers
02 Sep 2013, 05:06
The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

Awwww, sorry....

volcaniclastic
02 Sep 2013, 05:54
The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

Aw, man. How did you end up with such a brave and responsible little girl?

Poor hammy.

thalassa
02 Sep 2013, 09:50
Aw, man. How did you end up with such a brave and responsible little girl?


Pure dumb luck...


...tomorrow we are having his funeral.

Bjorn
02 Sep 2013, 10:37
The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

:'(

Enjoy that big wheel in the sky, hammy.

Jembru
02 Sep 2013, 11:03
That's so sad Thal. I've never been able to have another hamster since my dear Qwerty died of wet tail. I tried so hard to save her, and the vet didn't even charge me for the first consultation, only for the medication, because I think he kinda knew her chances weren't good. I just loved her so much. I always knew hamsters only lived a few years, and I was okay with that, but she died at 9 months. I hope she too is enjoying that big wheel in the sky.

Heka
02 Sep 2013, 17:47
The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

Aw, but your girl, how old is she? Such a mature comment!

Corvus
02 Sep 2013, 20:34
The dog keeps crapping on the rug. It's almost always the same rug in the kitchen too. No one else was awake so I had to clean things up. Mom won't let me use the washer so I left a note so she can toss it in in the morning. Anyone know a way to make her stop? my dad throws a fit when anyone suggests kenneling them for the night and I feel guilty about caging our other dog since he's always so well behaved and we can't cage just her and let him go.

I'm really sorry about GoGo Thal :( You have one tough little girl, I hope she isn't taking it too hard.

Jembru
03 Sep 2013, 04:16
The dog keeps crapping on the rug. It's almost always the same rug in the kitchen too. No one else was awake so I had to clean things up. Mom won't let me use the washer so I left a note so she can toss it in in the morning. Anyone know a way to make her stop? my dad throws a fit when anyone suggests kenneling them for the night and I feel guilty about caging our other dog since he's always so well behaved and we can't cage just her and let him go.

I'm really sorry about GoGo Thal :( You have one tough little girl, I hope she isn't taking it too hard.

I'm not exactly and expert, but we used to advise on training at the animal shelter where I worked for a while, and I touched on aspects of training as part of the behaviour modules when I did zoology at uni (we shared a great deal of modules with the vet students), but more than anything, I am just an avid watcher of 'It's me or the dog' on Animal Planet! So I know a little bit. lol.

Accidents can be for various reasons. Does she have access to outside through the night? If she was weeing and pooing throughout, I'd wonder if she was properly toilet trained, but as it is just one off accidents through the night, I would assume that she is being caught out and just can't wait any longer. If she does have access to the outside, then I find it really unusual and urge you to have a vet look at her.

If she doesn't have access, then maybe you can try walking her later in the evening if you don't already. Or maybe consider changing feeding times? Just like people, the speed of food through a dog's digestive system will vary between individuals, so changing feeding times might help. Otherwise, definitely get her checked out by a vet in case she has digestive problems.

thalassa
03 Sep 2013, 05:04
Aw, but your girl, how old is she? Such a mature comment!


She's 6. We've had hamsters since she was 4. I actually got them on purpose knowing that they have a short life, so that the kids had some familiarity with the concept of death. But dying of illness isn't exactly the same as dying of (relatively) old age...so she's taking this especially hard and yet bravely.

Corvus
03 Sep 2013, 07:40
...

Both dogs get a big bowl of food early in the morning and then that's it. Usually my dad gives them kitchen scraps at dinner too. It's probably because she doesn't get time to go out before bed. My dad goes to bed early because of his job and then lets them out at around 3am. My step mom will usually stumble to bed later. The doctors say she doesn't have digestive issues though she does have arthritis. There was a thunderstorm earlier that night so they were let out into the house after the normal bed time to stop them from crying and then it seems like no one remembered they were out. She's always complaining about the mess the dog makes but she really doesn't want to take care of them and she won't get rid of her either.

Shahaku
03 Sep 2013, 07:47
Both dogs get a big bowl of food early in the morning and then that's it. Usually my dad gives them kitchen scraps at dinner too. It's probably because she doesn't get time to go out before bed. My dad goes to bed early because of his job and then lets them out at around 3am. My step mom will usually stumble to bed later. The doctors say she doesn't have digestive issues though she does have arthritis. There was a thunderstorm earlier that night so they were let out into the house after the normal bed time to stop them from crying and then it seems like no one remembered they were out. She's always complaining about the mess the dog makes but she really doesn't want to take care of them and she won't get rid of her either.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending), the best thing that can be done is just to be sure they're being let out regularly. My dog will go at night, or when he's locked in the bathroom for a few hours during the day, just because he can't hold it that long, but he's just a little guy so his poops aren't that big a deal. At least they aren't urinating all over, that get's really old and can be really hard to clean up.

Heka
04 Sep 2013, 05:14
She's 6. We've had hamsters since she was 4. I actually got them on purpose knowing that they have a short life, so that the kids had some familiarity with the concept of death. But dying of illness isn't exactly the same as dying of (relatively) old age...so she's taking this especially hard and yet bravely.

It really is completely different, but kinda useful in its own way too, like if an aunt was diagnosed with something.... But so brave from a 6 year old! I'm thinking of my 6 year old students and none of them would ever say something so profound! Good job on the parenting Thal!

nbdy
07 Sep 2013, 03:11
Since I last posted here we adopted two little girl kitties. The tuxedo is Tasha and the Tortie is Garnet. Technically they are my son and daughter's, but they bring joy and new life to our home. That has us at one dog, three cats, and 17 chickens. I suspect there would be more if life had not had us away so much this summer.

FantasyWitch
07 Sep 2013, 03:24
Oh! Pet talk :D

I have two fur babies. I have a house rabbit called Braken and a little boy kitten called Curzon. They are my babies! x

thalassa
07 Sep 2013, 15:00
It really is completely different, but kinda useful in its own way too, like if an aunt was diagnosed with something.... But so brave from a 6 year old! I'm thinking of my 6 year old students and none of them would ever say something so profound! Good job on the parenting Thal!

Lol, thanks!

I don't take any credit for Phee's profundity...if I believed in that business, I'd say she was one of those Rainbow/Crystal/Indigo kiddies. We've just made a concerted effort to teach our kids to have empathy (a lot of discussions that go "would you like it if I came in your room, and knocked everything over? well, how do you think that spider would feel if you wrecked her web?" and "hey, would you like it if I scratched all your skin off and pulled your hair out? Then why are you peeling the bark off the tree and pulling its leaves off? Don't you know that the bark is like the skin of a tree?"), and recognize that they are just one little part of life on this planet. Phee's got that lesson down, Sharkbait is still working on it.

Heka
07 Sep 2013, 15:20
Lol, thanks!

I don't take any credit for Phee's profundity...if I believed in that business, I'd say she was one of those Rainbow/Crystal/Indigo kiddies. We've just made a concerted effort to teach our kids to have empathy (a lot of discussions that go "would you like it if I came in your room, and knocked everything over? well, how do you think that spider would feel if you wrecked her web?" and "hey, would you like it if I scratched all your skin off and pulled your hair out? Then why are you peeling the bark off the tree and pulling its leaves off? Don't you know that the bark is like the skin of a tree?"), and recognize that they are just one little part of life on this planet. Phee's got that lesson down, Sharkbait is still working on it.

sounds like a good way to raise kids. I'll remember that one when I have my own!

Rae'ya
08 Sep 2013, 19:55
The little guy did not make it :(

Chickadee has bravely said that "Now he is running in the endless tunnels of fun in the Hamster Spirit World, so I guess its okay mom. That's better than being sick. But I'm sad, really sad, because he was my little buddy."

That's so sad, but your daughter is so brave. Her response makes me smile.


The dog keeps crapping on the rug. It's almost always the same rug in the kitchen too. No one else was awake so I had to clean things up. Mom won't let me use the washer so I left a note so she can toss it in in the morning. Anyone know a way to make her stop? my dad throws a fit when anyone suggests kenneling them for the night and I feel guilty about caging our other dog since he's always so well behaved and we can't cage just her and let him go.

Pretty much what the others have said. It sounds like a bit of dodgy scheduling to me... they need to be let out in the late evening or accidents will be inevitable. A dog can only hold on for so long, especially an older, arthritic dog.

Is the night-time rug poo the only time she toilets indoors?

Also, if she's arthritic then that will change her habits some. And if she's elderly then she may start to lose some control and not be able to hold on as long.

Don't yell at her or punish her or make a song and dance about it... that's the worst thing you can do. Don't cage her or revoke indoor-rights or anything like that... that's the second worst thing you can do. Revisit your schedules and routines, ensure that she's got regular access to outdoors. You may need to reinforce training if she's started to make it a habit... go back to taking her out and rewarding her for toileting outdoors. Clean up any accidents with an enzyme based cleaner, NOT bleach or ammonia products.

Dogs are dogs, not humans. We are asking them to live by human standards and in some cases do things that are totally against their instincts. It's important that we put in the routines and efforts that will let them succeed at what we're asking them to do, especially as they get older. Pain, changing bodies, loss of muscle tone, loss of vision and inconvenience become a factor for older dogs and so we need to recognise that and make life easier for them.

Would we expect our 90 year old grandma to make it 12 hours without a toilet break? Or to walk all the way across the pitch black house at 1am and climb through a door that's barely larger than she is in order to go to the toilet?

kijani
09 Sep 2013, 22:14
I have a standard black and white (parti) poodle who is three months old, and my mom has a cockapoo/shorkie mix... Who just might be so ugly that he's cute. His name is Trevor. My standard's name is Shepherd, and he's going to be trained to be a service dog. So far, he's doing wonderfully with the potty training thing (I've only had him for three weeks and he's already pretty much got it down. When he has an accident, it's usually my fault) and has started some basic obedience already. He's a brat, but he's soooo smart. Trevor's favorite thing to do is steal his toys and hide them so that Shep can't find them. So that's been interesting... lol.

Oh. And my cousin has a cat named Snickers. I feel bad for it because unless I pet it no one seems to pay attention to it and we have to remind her that Snick needs food and water in order to live. Very pretty cat. Just wouldn't be surprised if she's secretly plotting doom in her spare time.

Rae'ya
12 Sep 2013, 00:08
...and my mom has a cockapoo/shorkie mix...

A what? lol

I've seen 'cockapoo's before (though in Australia we tend to stick with 'spoodle' regardless of what type of spaniel went into the mix), but never a 'shorkie'. Presumable a Yorkie cross something?

I don't mean any offense, but I always have an internal giggle when I see 'breeds' like this. I once had a client swear to me that the puppy they bought for $800 was a maltese shihtzu cross westie with papers (meaning registration papers, which are only awarded to purebred dogs from registered breeders). It's getting difficult for us to denote breed on medical records... technically these 'designer dogs' aren't breeds, and so a cockapoo means nothing from a legal point of view. Cocker Spaniel X Poodle is what we're supposed to say. If there's more than two breeds in there then it's technically a 'Mixed Breed'.

And talking about breeds... welfare centers and rescue centers are TERRIBLE at recognising breeds. I once had a client who only got his dog back from a rescue centre because he reconginsed her barking and made them let him through. They swore she was a Staghound but she was patently a pure bred Bull Arab. It wasn't until he showed them photos that they believed him. Staghounds don't look anything like Bull Arabs! The number of dogs I see who quietly undergo a 'breed change' when they come to us for the first time from a rescue center is a bit ridiculous.

Wickedjr89
19 Sep 2013, 11:51
I have 2 cats and a dog. I had 3 more kittens but a house fire last year took them :( My dog was outside at the time as was one of our cats, an older cat (only about to be 5 now, almost 4 at the time, so not old just no longer a kitten). The kittens we lost we got at 8 weeks and they were a few days away from being 6 months old. The house fire destroyed the house, everything we owned and took our 3 kitties with it. It almost took me too. Even though their lives were cut short i'm grateful we got the time we did with them.
Our other cat our friends found last year at the time it happened as a stray very little kitten that was going to die. So many different kinds of worms among other things. Sadly they didn't care about properly taking care of her, at all. So once we found a new place (we were in a tent for awhile) we took her in and nursed her back to health. I wasn't feeling a new cat at the time, newly mourning the loss of our 3 kittens I didn't want to get attached....tough I got attached. My hubby got attached right away. I couldn't leave her to die though so the plan was to nurse her back to health and find her a good home. Well we nursed her back to health and in that time she captured my heart, for which I am grateful. She is a cuddle bug! We nursed her to health and was rewarded with lots of kitty love! <3 It's a been year now (the fire was Sept 8th last year) and i'm glad she stole my heart.

Our dog is named Bear, the older cat that was lucky to be outside at the time is Mandi and the kitty we nursed to health (which is no longer a kitty, our best guess was she was born around last July/early August of last year) is named Fuzzball aka Fuzzy. Our 3 and 4 year old nieces named her. :)

Auseklis
19 Sep 2013, 12:53
I have 2 cats and a dog. I had 3 more kittens but a house fire last year took them :( My dog was outside at the time as was one of our cats, an older cat (only about to be 5 now, almost 4 at the time, so not old just no longer a kitten). The kittens we lost we got at 8 weeks and they were a few days away from being 6 months old. The house fire destroyed the house, everything we owned and took our 3 kitties with it. It almost took me too. Even though their lives were cut short i'm grateful we got the time we did with them.
Our other cat our friends found last year at the time it happened as a stray very little kitten that was going to die. So many different kinds of worms among other things. Sadly they didn't care about properly taking care of her, at all. So once we found a new place (we were in a tent for awhile) we took her in and nursed her back to health. I wasn't feeling a new cat at the time, newly mourning the loss of our 3 kittens I didn't want to get attached....tough I got attached. My hubby got attached right away. I couldn't leave her to die though so the plan was to nurse her back to health and find her a good home. Well we nursed her back to health and in that time she captured my heart, for which I am grateful. She is a cuddle bug! We nursed her to health and was rewarded with lots of kitty love! <3 It's a been year now (the fire was Sept 8th last year) and i'm glad she stole my heart.

Our dog is named Bear, the older cat that was lucky to be outside at the time is Mandi and the kitty we nursed to health (which is no longer a kitty, our best guess was she was born around last July/early August of last year) is named Fuzzball aka Fuzzy. Our 3 and 4 year old nieces named her. :)

I am so sorry to hear of your misfortune and the loss of life is heartbreaking to say the least. I am thankful you are ok and the rest of your animal friends. From what you have written you have a very special way with animals and care deeply about their wellbeing. You are a blessing to a planet where many people care more about their own species than any other.

Wickedjr89
19 Sep 2013, 16:56
Thank you. I still cry when I think about them, but I also smile. They taught me a lot though in their short lives. They each had their own personality. One was the boss, Max, he was a bit aggressive and also sometimes the hardest one to find but he was also sweet. Ghost was a cuddle bug, like Fuzzy is and Smoky, the girl of the trio, was on the shy side but was learning to finally stand up against her brother Max (not in a mean way). They weren't my older cats kitties but they were all from the same litter.
It is sad so many people care more about their own species than any other. We're all citizens of this planet. So many animals are going extinct, at the hands of humans. It's very sad to say the least :(.

Auseklis
19 Sep 2013, 21:11
Thank you. I still cry when I think about them, but I also smile. They taught me a lot though in their short lives. They each had their own personality. One was the boss, Max, he was a bit aggressive and also sometimes the hardest one to find but he was also sweet. Ghost was a cuddle bug, like Fuzzy is and Smoky, the girl of the trio, was on the shy side but was learning to finally stand up against her brother Max (not in a mean way). They weren't my older cats kitties but they were all from the same litter.
It is sad so many people care more about their own species than any other. We're all citizens of this planet. So many animals are going extinct, at the hands of humans. It's very sad to say the least :(.

I couldn't agree more and as you stated, each animal has a distinct personality and path in life. I think we forget as humans that our paths are no more or less important than that of an animal... even an ant. To be honest I have seen more pro-active ants than I have humans... I have met a lot of lazy humans in my time.

Shahaku
01 Oct 2013, 03:53
Assuming the picture worked, new puppy! She's adorable. And hyperactive when she's not passed out. Thank goodness there's a limit to puppy energy... and having another dog helps.

DanieMarie
01 Oct 2013, 07:44
Awwww how cute!

Shahaku
01 Oct 2013, 09:30
Yea. She's some sort of husky mix. She's gonna get huge too. Her paws are crazy big already. Still have to take her in for a vet visit, needs her shots and everything. And I have to get her her second dewormer. She's only 8 or 9 weeks... Really not sure. My husband's little brother's girlfriend had pups and we offered to buy one.. now that we've got a house and a yard an all. I've wanted a big dog for ages and can't wait.

It's only two days in though and I'm already a little worn out, but at least last night I felt okay actually going to sleep. I know people really recommend crate training, but so long as they can hold it most of the night, I'm okay with leaving em out and in bed with us. She's already got enough manners to at least climb out of the bed before pottying and I'm sleeping light enough to hear her and let her out. Only had to get up twice last night and once was actually this morning at like.. 6ish, I just don't usually get up that early. I can't wait for a doggy door. We've just got to save enough for a fence, which we can put in ourselves, we just need material, so that shouldn't be too bad.

nbdy
01 Oct 2013, 13:53
Yup, puppies are a lot of work, but worth it, imo. Congratulations on your new bundle of energy ... um, I mean joy.

nbdy
10 Oct 2013, 08:35
It did not want to just post the picture, so I am writing something.

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Shahaku
10 Oct 2013, 09:26
Deworming is a disgusting process. Why the hell do all puppies have worms anyway? Is there no way to protect them? Also... dogs get hiccups too. Never knew this, but my pup gets them all the time. It's kinda cute.

Heka
10 Oct 2013, 16:01
I JUST GOT A TURTLE!!!!!!!!!

And that better not have the caps edited out, because it needs CAPS!

Shahaku
10 Oct 2013, 21:51
Woo! Awesomeness Heka. What kind is it?

Heka
10 Oct 2013, 21:53
Woo! Awesomeness Heka. What kind is it?

A Murray Short-Neck :D He doesn't have any pretty colours, or any awesome markings, he is just a boss as turtle :D I started a thread, there are pictures... haha

Rae'ya
11 Oct 2013, 01:39
Ok using my tablet for this so no quotes 'cos my tablet hates quotes lol

The worming question... puppies get worms before they are even born. They are passed through the placenta into the unborn puppy and also through the breast milk. Intestinal worming is population control, not prevention, so all we're doing is killing them off then letting them build up then killing them off again. Hence the gross puppy deworm thing lol

Heka... AWESOME. I love chelonians. Let me know if you have any vet questions 'cos we do a little bit of reptile/chelonian work and I personally wrote our protocols for their care.

Heka
11 Oct 2013, 02:07
Heka... AWESOME. I love chelonians. Let me know if you have any vet questions 'cos we do a little bit of reptile/chelonian work and I personally wrote our protocols for their care.

Thanks Rae'ya! I've found a great site called Australian Freshwater Turtles that has a fully functioning forum and while I'm quite stressed out about how I've started things, I'm hoping they can help. If I do have any vet related anything I will turn to you first though of course :) Not to mention you're closer than a lot of other vets! haha

Rae'ya
11 Oct 2013, 02:15
The forum folk will keep you sorted lol. Just pretty much don't listen to the pet shop people and you'll be good. You can upgrade your basic stuff as you go... it sounds like you're already doing better than some new turtle owners lol

Heka
11 Oct 2013, 02:17
The forum folk will keep you sorted lol. Just pretty much don't listen to the pet shop people and you'll be good. You can upgrade your basic stuff as you go... it sounds like you're already doing better than some new turtle owners lol

Pet shop people are the worst. I only have one option anywhere near here, and I got my gear there, and it's shit. I hate it all, and it's stressing me. It only cost me 350 though incl turtle so I don't feel so bad about tossing some of it pretty soon!


Still can't decide on the name either.. SO FRUSTRATING! Currently he is Mr H... But it's just not enough.

Rae'ya
11 Oct 2013, 02:28
Henry. lol.

Get your stuff online. It'll cost you in postage but at least it'll be good quality. Or save up a wishlist and take a weekend trip down here. Just let me know so I can put the kettle on lol

Heka
11 Oct 2013, 02:38
Nope, it's either Hagan or Hammond..... Cannot narrow it down less than that...

And I will, though the trip to yours sounds like a good plan! Only found one Reptile One stockist though on their website. I'm sure there is better, but so far Reptile One has a very handy catalogue.

Hawkfeathers
11 Oct 2013, 03:55
I'm so proud of Buddy (African Grey Parrot) - yesterday he went for his wing & nail clip and he grumbled but didn't really fight, so it went very quickly. Didn't sulk afterwards, either. It only took 23 years to get to this point LOL

Lilium of the Valley
11 Oct 2013, 07:47
sooo...my cat has an obsession with licking bean bags...for hours...on end... >_> not sure what that says about him...

alternatingSelves
11 Oct 2013, 08:49
my kitten seems to know that a bunch of us are going out of town this week. we're all university students and it's our fall reading week. he's spent all of today being in a really bad mood and not letting us pet or hold him, when he's usually the cuddliest cat ever. HE KNOWS O.o

nbdy
13 Oct 2013, 11:18
my kitten seems to know that a bunch of us are going out of town this week. we're all university students and it's our fall reading week. he's spent all of today being in a really bad mood and not letting us pet or hold him, when he's usually the cuddliest cat ever. HE KNOWS O.o

They always know. I don't know how, but they always do. I have even waited to throw a few things into a bag at the last minute so they wouldn't know, but the night before --- they knew anyway. Maybe our scent changes when we are anticipating travel?

As for the beanbag licking ... Is it maybe a catnip toy with beans in it , too?

Heka
14 Oct 2013, 03:18
I'm so stressed about my turtle. Trust there to be a bloody cold snap NOW! Just when I get the turtle! His water is dropping to like 15 degrees C at night. I'm taking him out, and putting kettles full of boiling water in there to raise the temperature, but it doesn't last long. It's just so cold. I mean it's fucking mid-October. Why in balls was it 2 degrees last night? I mean seriously what the fuck? I've ordered a water heater (and all the other gear), but it will only get here next week. Do I really have to stress that long?! I don't know what else to do. I'm actually seriously considering firing up my electric blanket to sleep tonight. How is my turtle going to survive? He didn't eat much today, even though I gave him about 20 min of outside time, and go the water temp up to about 24 degrees. He needs to eat, he's just a baby, but then he shouldn't eat if he's not metabolising, and he can't metabolise well at all under about 18 degrees. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Rae'ya
14 Oct 2013, 18:54
I'm so stressed about my turtle. Trust there to be a bloody cold snap NOW! Just when I get the turtle! His water is dropping to like 15 degrees C at night. I'm taking him out, and putting kettles full of boiling water in there to raise the temperature, but it doesn't last long. It's just so cold. I mean it's fucking mid-October. Why in balls was it 2 degrees last night? I mean seriously what the fuck? I've ordered a water heater (and all the other gear), but it will only get here next week. Do I really have to stress that long?! I don't know what else to do. I'm actually seriously considering firing up my electric blanket to sleep tonight. How is my turtle going to survive? He didn't eat much today, even though I gave him about 20 min of outside time, and go the water temp up to about 24 degrees. He needs to eat, he's just a baby, but then he shouldn't eat if he's not metabolising, and he can't metabolise well at all under about 18 degrees. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I second you on the weather at the moment. WTF.

Unfortunately there's no way around this one, Heka. You gotta keep him warm. Does the local pet store have at least a cheap aquarium heater? If you can keep it at least 22C consistently then he'll probably get by, but consistency is also important... the constant up down, up down of adding hot water is not great for them either. Otherwise I don't know... insulate the tank maybe? Move it to an area where there's more environmental warmth, like near the heater?

Either way, drop the water content a bit so that it's easier to keep warm in the short term. As long as he's got twice the depth of his body of water he'll be okay in the short term and frankly warmth is more important at this point.

A shallower water depth will also mean that a light above his tank will add some warmth. Even a desk lamp can make a difference, though it has to be safe to leave on over a period of time, and not so great to leave on overnight as that will mess with his day/night cycles, and you have to monitor the temperature closely to avoid overheating because desk lamps just get hotter and hotter and hotter until the plastic covers melt.

Hubby and I keep waiting for spring to show up... it arrives for about a day then disappears again. It's still raining off and on down here. In October.

Heka
15 Oct 2013, 04:15
I second you on the weather at the moment. WTF.

Unfortunately there's no way around this one, Heka. You gotta keep him warm. Does the local pet store have at least a cheap aquarium heater? If you can keep it at least 22C consistently then he'll probably get by, but consistency is also important... the constant up down, up down of adding hot water is not great for them either. Otherwise I don't know... insulate the tank maybe? Move it to an area where there's more environmental warmth, like near the heater?

Either way, drop the water content a bit so that it's easier to keep warm in the short term. As long as he's got twice the depth of his body of water he'll be okay in the short term and frankly warmth is more important at this point.

A shallower water depth will also mean that a light above his tank will add some warmth. Even a desk lamp can make a difference, though it has to be safe to leave on over a period of time, and not so great to leave on overnight as that will mess with his day/night cycles, and you have to monitor the temperature closely to avoid overheating because desk lamps just get hotter and hotter and hotter until the plastic covers melt.

Hubby and I keep waiting for spring to show up... it arrives for about a day then disappears again. It's still raining off and on down here. In October.

The nearest pet store is in Port Augusta. I'm in Leigh Creek............

I'm trying not to make the changes too huge. I just get really worried when it drops below 20. And I havemt got it over 24 yet. I'm trying to keep the changes gradual, and give him outside warm time everyday! Today was warmer, so less tank stresses, well, less than yesterday. And he ate today. Really positively too! Was trying to eat the food before it had soaked up much yet! I thought that was a good sign!

Won't shallower water just get cold quicker too? So when it hits 11 tonight, it's more likely to be 11 in the water, rather than say 16? (It hasn't got below about 15 yet). That's what I'd be worried about with shallow water... I guess I could try insulating... I just dunno...


Water heater is on it's way though. 4-5 days he said, so praying for Monday! I'll just keep doing my best till then.......


And yeah, pretty much fuck this weather. Why in balls am I wearing tights in mid October? And a jumper? I don't think well get much spring, it's gonna jump straight to summer! Should be 35 here in Saturday, them 38 Monday! Won't get lucky though, it'll get cool again soon enough........

Lilium of the Valley
15 Oct 2013, 05:14
Alrighty so Kitty Arlowe is a Maine Coon, meaning he has long fur. Usually they aren't known to have lots of matting issues. But mine loves getting wet while playing with any water source he can get his paws on and then doesn't want to be brushed. So he has a ton of knots. He doesn't let me brush them out, nor cut them out with scissors, I would end up cutting him, hence he doesn't hold still. I got clippers but he wont let me do this either. On top of that he fights back and scratches etc, him being a Coonie, he is frikken huge and really heavy and strong. So there is no way I'm getting this done on my own. Are there any other long hair cat owners who have this dilemma on their hands?! Tips on how to avoid knots?! Kitty hair spray? detangler?! ANYTHING really lol I'm at a loss what to do with the poor thing. This has to be uncomfortable for him. T-T help, pwease.

Optimistic discord
15 Oct 2013, 14:18
Alrighty so Kitty Arlowe is a Maine Coon, meaning he has long fur. Usually they aren't known to have lots of matting issues. But mine loves getting wet while playing with any water source he can get his paws on and then doesn't want to be brushed. So he has a ton of knots. He doesn't let me brush them out, nor cut them out with scissors, I would end up cutting him, hence he doesn't hold still. I got clippers but he wont let me do this either. On top of that he fights back and scratches etc, him being a Coonie, he is frikken huge and really heavy and strong. So there is no way I'm getting this done on my own. Are there any other long hair cat owners who have this dilemma on their hands?! Tips on how to avoid knots?! Kitty hair spray? detangler?! ANYTHING really lol I'm at a loss what to do with the poor thing. This has to be uncomfortable for him. T-T help, pwease.

Maines do love the water, and their strong personalities can really make it tricky to groom/treat them (though not as bad as some Bengal cats I've known).
You can get hair detangler solutions/sprays , but you will still have to groom him to get the clumps out.
My technique for grooming reluctant cats is to do a little once a day (or even once every other day), by little I mean maybe a few seconds while petting. Just to try and increase his tolerance for it. In some cases I've started with a little manual massage of the clumps, not even real grooming, then over time introduced combs/brushes ( to non-matted hair first). I find its all about building up to it.
Maybe try getting a plug-in calming vaporizer to try and take the edge off his reluctance?

You can also take him to your vet and get him sedated and groomed if its a real problem, at least then you can start the gradual grooming afterwards when he has a non-matted coat.

Corvus
15 Oct 2013, 16:59
My kitty is overgrooming so she's slowly going bald. We've put anti flee stuff on her and she's being given antihistamine pills in case it's something physical but it doesn't seem to be helping.

Rae'ya
16 Oct 2013, 01:40
Alrighty so Kitty Arlowe is a Maine Coon, meaning he has long fur. Usually they aren't known to have lots of matting issues. But mine loves getting wet while playing with any water source he can get his paws on and then doesn't want to be brushed. So he has a ton of knots. He doesn't let me brush them out, nor cut them out with scissors, I would end up cutting him, hence he doesn't hold still. I got clippers but he wont let me do this either. On top of that he fights back and scratches etc, him being a Coonie, he is frikken huge and really heavy and strong. So there is no way I'm getting this done on my own. Are there any other long hair cat owners who have this dilemma on their hands?! Tips on how to avoid knots?! Kitty hair spray? detangler?! ANYTHING really lol I'm at a loss what to do with the poor thing. This has to be uncomfortable for him. T-T help, pwease.

What Optimistic Discord said. Though I would say if he is already matted then get hom sedated and shaved first, then start with the slow grooming stuff. Do NOT try to brush out any matts ot knots as it hurts and will just reinforce his dislike of grooming. Then start with a daily routine of stroking with flat hand, then with fingers tented like a comb, then use a Zoom Groom (they are a massaging rubber brush a bit like a horse curry comb but softer), then up to a slicker brush. Start each stage in an area he doesn't mind being touched then work up to the other areas, leaving his sensitive belly til last! As OpD said, start with just a few seconds and build up. The trick is to stop each session BEFORE he gets upset, and build in slow, small steps.


My kitty is overgrooming so she's slowly going bald. We've put anti flee stuff on her and she's being given antihistamine pills in case it's something physical but it doesn't seem to be helping.

Overgrooming is usually anxiety related in cats. If you've ruled out parasites then the other common options are allergies or anxiety. Unfortunately, many general practice vets don't really understand anxiety in cats or how to recognise it, let alone treat it. Does she have other symptoms? How many pets do you have and what species? Is she indoors or outdoors? What's her routine? Her diet? Tell me as much as you canpossibly think of and I'll try and work out if it's worth you taking her to another vet.

Lilium of the Valley
16 Oct 2013, 02:35
Maines do love the water, and their strong personalities can really make it tricky to groom/treat them (though not as bad as some Bengal cats I've known).
You can get hair detangler solutions/sprays , but you will still have to groom him to get the clumps out.
My technique for grooming reluctant cats is to do a little once a day (or even once every other day), by little I mean maybe a few seconds while petting. Just to try and increase his tolerance for it. In some cases I've started with a little manual massage of the clumps, not even real grooming, then over time introduced combs/brushes ( to non-matted hair first). I find its all about building up to it.
Maybe try getting a plug-in calming vaporizer to try and take the edge off his reluctance?

You can also take him to your vet and get him sedated and groomed if its a real problem, at least then you can start the gradual grooming afterwards when he has a non-matted coat.
Thanks so much for the quick reply. I will definitely try this as soon as I get him to the vet, so they can get the matts out first. Thank heavens it isn't too bad yet, I just really do not want to see it get any worse. Plus I really wanted to find something that will prevent it from happening over and over again.


What Optimistic Discord said. Though I would say if he is already matted then get hom sedated and shaved first, then start with the slow grooming stuff. Do NOT try to brush out any matts ot knots as it hurts and will just reinforce his dislike of grooming. Then start with a daily routine of stroking with flat hand, then with fingers tented like a comb, then use a Zoom Groom (they are a massaging rubber brush a bit like a horse curry comb but softer), then up to a slicker brush. Start each stage in an area he doesn't mind being touched then work up to the other areas, leaving his sensitive belly til last! As OpD said, start with just a few seconds and build up. The trick is to stop each session BEFORE he gets upset, and build in slow, small steps.

Thanks to you as well!! I really do appreciate all the advice I can get on this. :) I didn't try to brush him now of course with all this matting going on because I didn't want to hurt him, it's bad enough when I get a "rat" in my long hair and have to brush it out, I don't even want to begin to imagine how horrible it would be for him lol
So yeah that was out of the question. I'm going to make an Apt. with his vet, get him shaved and then start a slow and gradual process on getting him to deal with his necessary grooming. Mommy is putting her foot down lol ;)

Keep your fingers corssed guys, hopefully I get to keep my hands....and they will not be clawed to shreds.

kijani
16 Oct 2013, 05:41
Hey guys! So I changed my SD prospect's name to Vincent (his father was Picasso) and today he learned 'go get it!' and has been running back and forth in the same spot in the living room bringing a squeaky toy to my girlfriend. I am experiencing cuteness overload and all of the lol's right now.

Corvus
16 Oct 2013, 11:25
Overgrooming is usually anxiety related in cats. If you've ruled out parasites then the other common options are allergies or anxiety. Unfortunately, many general practice vets don't really understand anxiety in cats or how to recognise it, let alone treat it. Does she have other symptoms? How many pets do you have and what species? Is she indoors or outdoors? What's her routine? Her diet? Tell me as much as you canpossibly think of and I'll try and work out if it's worth you taking her to another vet.

One day we just noticed she was going bald, then we noticed she was grooming more often. She's about four years old, been spayed but I'm not sure her breed. She's an indoor cat and only been outside once. We thought it might be changing the powder we use in the litterbox so we switched back to baking soda but she's still doing it. We have two dogs (a basset hound and a chiwawa/doxin/something mix) addition to the cat but she'd been living here for a few months without problems previously. She spends most of her time sleeping but since she's a cat I didn't think it was odd. She usually spends her time laying on the floor or sleeping in the arm chair, sometimes she sits in the window. She was eating dry food for years then we moved in and my step mom insisted on giving her wet food too. The cat loved it but she complains now if she doesn't get it but that was before she started the grooming. I think she's been getting a little chubbier the past few months too.

kijani
18 Oct 2013, 08:10
The weight gain could be the food, I would bet. I do hope you figure out what's wrong, though. It always sucks when there is something wrong with your pet. You can't just ask them what it is and it's really frustrating. Hope you figure it out and she gets to feeling better soon. Good luck.

Rae'ya
21 Oct 2013, 00:12
Thanks to you as well!! I really do appreciate all the advice I can get on this. :) I didn't try to brush him now of course with all this matting going on because I didn't want to hurt him, it's bad enough when I get a "rat" in my long hair and have to brush it out, I don't even want to begin to imagine how horrible it would be for him lol
So yeah that was out of the question. I'm going to make an Apt. with his vet, get him shaved and then start a slow and gradual process on getting him to deal with his necessary grooming. Mommy is putting her foot down lol ;)

Keep your fingers corssed guys, hopefully I get to keep my hands....and they will not be clawed to shreds.

You'd be surprised how many people go down the route of trying to brush out the knots. And then wonder why their cat tries to eat them lol.

Let us know how things get on!


One day we just noticed she was going bald, then we noticed she was grooming more often. She's about four years old, been spayed but I'm not sure her breed. She's an indoor cat and only been outside once. We thought it might be changing the powder we use in the litterbox so we switched back to baking soda but she's still doing it. We have two dogs (a basset hound and a chiwawa/doxin/something mix) addition to the cat but she'd been living here for a few months without problems previously. She spends most of her time sleeping but since she's a cat I didn't think it was odd. She usually spends her time laying on the floor or sleeping in the arm chair, sometimes she sits in the window. She was eating dry food for years then we moved in and my step mom insisted on giving her wet food too. The cat loved it but she complains now if she doesn't get it but that was before she started the grooming. I think she's been getting a little chubbier the past few months too.

Is the baldness mainly on her belly and groin? You said that she's been living there a few months prior to the dogs... how long has she lived you you in total and how long have the dogs been there? How long ago did you move in? What I'm getting at is have you all been living together her whole life or have there been recent additions or changes to the living arrangements?

In the meantime, try to change as little as possible and keep her routine as 'normal' as you can. I'm trying to figure out if you may have an anxious cat on your hands, and unfortunately that means lots of seemingly irrelevant questions lol.

Shahaku
21 Oct 2013, 08:00
My pup needs her rear dewclaws removed... one is real floppy, barely attached, and the other one doesn't even have a pad, just a nail sticking off her leg. Trying to decide if we should wait until we spay her at six months. Cheaper that way, but the vet said they could embed more or some such. Aw the joy of a puppy.

DanieMarie
22 Oct 2013, 00:17
We got a new kitty. We decided not to wait for a few reasons. One is that I have a slight cat allergy and I was worried that if we waited longer, it would take me a while to build up the immunity again (I've always been able to build up natural immunity and only discovered I had a cat allergy at all when I went to university at 18 and came home for my first break after moving away and was allergic to my childhood cat). The biggest though was that it was just too quiet and empty in the house and we were really struggling with it.

Anyway, the new cat came yesterday. When we met him he was really friendly, but he's freaking out at the moment and having trouble adjusting. It hasn't been that long though and he has a new space -and- new people to get used to. He has been seriously defensive at times almost to the point of aggression, so we're trying to leave him alone until he doesn't feel threatened anymore.

Does anyone know anything we can do to ease his transition? Or should I just continue to leave him alone? My only worry is that he hasn't eaten or used his litter box since he came over last night, though I suppose he will do so in his own time.

Rae'ya
22 Oct 2013, 01:55
My pup needs her rear dewclaws removed... one is real floppy, barely attached, and the other one doesn't even have a pad, just a nail sticking off her leg. Trying to decide if we should wait until we spay her at six months. Cheaper that way, but the vet said they could embed more or some such. Aw the joy of a puppy.

We normally just do them at the same time as desexing. There's no reason to do them separately unless they are catching or getting caught and injured. They don't get more attached or anything like that... either there's bone or there's not. I wouldn't bother doing them separately unless there's a problem... plus it would be better to let her grow a bit before an anaesthetic. Paediatric anaesthethics are relatively safe if you know what you're doing, but there's no point doing one unecessarily.


Anyway, the new cat came yesterday. When we met him he was really friendly, but he's freaking out at the moment and having trouble adjusting. It hasn't been that long though and he has a new space -and- new people to get used to. He has been seriously defensive at times almost to the point of aggression, so we're trying to leave him alone until he doesn't feel threatened anymore.

Does anyone know anything we can do to ease his transition? Or should I just continue to leave him alone? My only worry is that he hasn't eaten or used his litter box since he came over last night, though I suppose he will do so in his own time.

There's a few things you can try...

- Make sure his litter tray is somewhere quiet, private and darkish. And away from anywhere that may have sudden noises or activity (laundries are terrible places for litter trays... the washing machine kicking into spin cycle is terrifying for a cat on the loo!)
- Feed the exact same food he was getting before. And make sure that you're using the same litter substrate he was getting. You can change these later... but keep them the same for now.
- if he wants to stay under a bed that's fine... put everything he may need in the same room so that he doesn't have to venture far. You can move it all later.
- Don't push him... he's scared and lost and this isn't his house yet. It'll take him a bit of time to settle. In the meantime leave him alone.
- Get a Feliway diffuser if he's not settling. These plug into a power point and fill the room with a synthetic 'happy cat' pheramone. They are fabulous and make a big difference to anxious or scared cats. Lots of people find them a bit pricey but they are worth it. You'll probably only need one... each refill lasts 4 weeks and you plug it into the room they spend the most time in. I would love it if everyone who got a new cat or moved house with their cat used one.

DanieMarie
22 Oct 2013, 03:55
We normally just do them at the same time as desexing. There's no reason to do them separately unless they are catching or getting caught and injured. They don't get more attached or anything like that... either there's bone or there's not. I wouldn't bother doing them separately unless there's a problem... plus it would be better to let her grow a bit before an anaesthetic. Paediatric anaesthethics are relatively safe if you know what you're doing, but there's no point doing one unecessarily.



There's a few things you can try...

- Make sure his litter tray is somewhere quiet, private and darkish. And away from anywhere that may have sudden noises or activity (laundries are terrible places for litter trays... the washing machine kicking into spin cycle is terrifying for a cat on the loo!)
- Feed the exact same food he was getting before. And make sure that you're using the same litter substrate he was getting. You can change these later... but keep them the same for now.
- if he wants to stay under a bed that's fine... put everything he may need in the same room so that he doesn't have to venture far. You can move it all later.
- Don't push him... he's scared and lost and this isn't his house yet. It'll take him a bit of time to settle. In the meantime leave him alone.
- Get a Feliway diffuser if he's not settling. These plug into a power point and fill the room with a synthetic 'happy cat' pheramone. They are fabulous and make a big difference to anxious or scared cats. Lots of people find them a bit pricey but they are worth it. You'll probably only need one... each refill lasts 4 weeks and you plug it into the room they spend the most time in. I would love it if everyone who got a new cat or moved house with their cat used one.

Thanks for your reply! I have a couple of questions:
-We live in an apartment. It's a large apartment (for Germany, at least), but there is a lot of furniture here and we have limited space for some things. The only place we really have in the house for the litter tray is in the bathroom, unfortunately right by the washing machine. We don't have another space for it, unless its right in the middle of the living room floor or something like that. We just did laundry though, so we can avoid doing it for a couple of weeks (we both have a lot of clothes!) Is there anything else we can do to make this easier? Or should we maybe put the litter tray somewhere else temporarily (we can live with it in our way for a week or two!)
-He has chosen to hide himself in a cabinet in the middle of the living room. I realize now that we should have started him off in the bathroom, which was actually the original plan, but the former owners seemed to want to see him out and exploring the apartment a bit (I think it made them a bit more comfortable with leaving him). So, we just let him out and left him to explore. The living room is unfortunately the room with the most traffic and the least amount of space for cat things. However, I really don't want to move him if he feels comfortable there. Do you think he'll be ok with his litter in the bathroom (really not that far, just down the hall) and his food in the kitchen? I might move his food behind the sofa, because there's a bit of space back there. I can maybe put his litter in the corner of the room there as well...it can't go there for good but it should be fine for now. Would that work?
-He's lashed out at us a few times. Last night when we went to bed he was hiding under the bed and was NOT happy that we were there. He scratched my boyfriend when he tried to get into bed. We had to chase him out because he was just under there growling and we didn't really have anywhere else to sleep, but I'm afraid that maybe that shook him up a bit. Aside from that, he was hiding under the sofa in our upstairs room (we have a two-floor maisonette apartment) and tried to swat Hannes. He also growled and hissed at me when I came out of the bathroom last night. It seems to have stopped now, but if he does it again, how should we handle it? I don't want to scare him and I think he's doing it because he feels threatened, but I think it's important to somehow assert myself (I used to get bullied by my childhood cat...seriously). For now I'm just sort of avoiding him and giving him his space, but if we accidentally surprise him and he lashes out again, what do we do?

I'll give it a few days and if he's not easing up I'll definitely get a Feliway diffuser!

Rae'ya
23 Oct 2013, 04:39
Thanks for your reply! I have a couple of questions:
-We live in an apartment. It's a large apartment (for Germany, at least), but there is a lot of furniture here and we have limited space for some things. The only place we really have in the house for the litter tray is in the bathroom, unfortunately right by the washing machine. We don't have another space for it, unless its right in the middle of the living room floor or something like that. We just did laundry though, so we can avoid doing it for a couple of weeks (we both have a lot of clothes!) Is there anything else we can do to make this easier? Or should we maybe put the litter tray somewhere else temporarily (we can live with it in our way for a week or two!)
-He has chosen to hide himself in a cabinet in the middle of the living room. I realize now that we should have started him off in the bathroom, which was actually the original plan, but the former owners seemed to want to see him out and exploring the apartment a bit (I think it made them a bit more comfortable with leaving him). So, we just let him out and left him to explore. The living room is unfortunately the room with the most traffic and the least amount of space for cat things. However, I really don't want to move him if he feels comfortable there. Do you think he'll be ok with his litter in the bathroom (really not that far, just down the hall) and his food in the kitchen? I might move his food behind the sofa, because there's a bit of space back there. I can maybe put his litter in the corner of the room there as well...it can't go there for good but it should be fine for now. Would that work?
-He's lashed out at us a few times. Last night when we went to bed he was hiding under the bed and was NOT happy that we were there. He scratched my boyfriend when he tried to get into bed. We had to chase him out because he was just under there growling and we didn't really have anywhere else to sleep, but I'm afraid that maybe that shook him up a bit. Aside from that, he was hiding under the sofa in our upstairs room (we have a two-floor maisonette apartment) and tried to swat Hannes. He also growled and hissed at me when I came out of the bathroom last night. It seems to have stopped now, but if he does it again, how should we handle it? I don't want to scare him and I think he's doing it because he feels threatened, but I think it's important to somehow assert myself (I used to get bullied by my childhood cat...seriously). For now I'm just sort of avoiding him and giving him his space, but if we accidentally surprise him and he lashes out again, what do we do?

I'll give it a few days and if he's not easing up I'll definitely get a Feliway diffuser!

Honestly at this point I think you need Feliway. If he's stressed enough to be that fear aggressive then he could use the help. Chances are he'd settle anyway but it will go smoother and quicker if we can de-stress him. I would also set a room aside for him and just lock him in there with as little disturbing as possible. What he's telling you is that he's scared and you going near him freaks him out and is a negative experience for him. Every time he has that reaction is reinforcing that.

Also, it takes 48 hours for the stress hormones to drop in cats. They aren't like dogs and humans, who can be left alone to calm down for a few hours... cats escalate and actually take 2-3 days to 'calm down'. If he keeps getting new stressors because every time he moves to a new 'safe haven' you intrude on him, then his stress levels are going up and up. You mentioned an upstairs bedroom... can you lock him in there with his food and tray and just leave him? Give him a good few days with just sticking your head in twice a day, then build up from there.

He's not trying to bully you, he's just freaked out. Fear does some crazy things to cats, and can turn the smoochiest cat into a psychotic killing machine. Try not to take it personally, though I know that's hard when all you want to do is love him :(

DanieMarie
23 Oct 2013, 06:07
Oh, I totally know it was due to fear. You could see it in the way he held himself. It's stopped now though. He's still unsure around us, but he wants to make friends and he's feeling us out. He comes and says hi and he even tried to sit with us last night (though he quickly decided he wasn't ready for that yet haha).

The upstairs room isn't an option. It's not a bedroom and there are no doors, just stairs. We basically have a one bedroom place with a lot of other rooms because most rooms open into one another. After I wrote that he went on his own to the bathroom, so I put him in there (it's one of the lowest traffic areas of the house...upstairs is my office, music, and sewing room so I am there allll day and a good chunk of the night too). I let him into the hall after that, which does close off from the living room. After a while he decided he wanted to come out, so I let him out.

He's doing so much better today. He has stopped trying to attack. Sometimes he still hisses and then we leave him alone, but I think he's decided that we are not threats. He's starting to be the affectionate, sweet kitty that we first met when we decided to adopt him. He's still settling in and getting used to us but I think the fear and stress is going away pretty quickly :)

Rae'ya
23 Oct 2013, 22:54
Oh, I totally know it was due to fear. You could see it in the way he held himself. It's stopped now though. He's still unsure around us, but he wants to make friends and he's feeling us out. He comes and says hi and he even tried to sit with us last night (though he quickly decided he wasn't ready for that yet haha).

The upstairs room isn't an option. It's not a bedroom and there are no doors, just stairs. We basically have a one bedroom place with a lot of other rooms because most rooms open into one another. After I wrote that he went on his own to the bathroom, so I put him in there (it's one of the lowest traffic areas of the house...upstairs is my office, music, and sewing room so I am there allll day and a good chunk of the night too). I let him into the hall after that, which does close off from the living room. After a while he decided he wanted to come out, so I let him out.

He's doing so much better today. He has stopped trying to attack. Sometimes he still hisses and then we leave him alone, but I think he's decided that we are not threats. He's starting to be the affectionate, sweet kitty that we first met when we decided to adopt him. He's still settling in and getting used to us but I think the fear and stress is going away pretty quickly :)

I'm really glad he's settling down :). Just let him take it slow and try to avoid triggering off the stress again and it sounds like you'll be good. I would definitely not use the washing machine for a week if you can help it, and avoid visitors to the house also. And generally try to minimize changes and loud or sudden noises. If we can keep the triggers down then he'll settle a lot quicker. It sounds like he's had a fairly drastic improvement overnight so that's really good... now we just have to avoid setting him off again! I wouldn't try to pick him up yet either... pat him if he comes to you but otherwise let him settle. You may find that once the cortisol and adrenaline levels drop he'll make a sudden switch and instantly be that same sweet kitty you met, or it may happen slowly. It's really interesting what the stress hormones do in cats and how they affect behaviour and demeanor. I know a few cats who are perfect smoochy angels in a consult room at work, and will let you do whatever you like, but the second you put them in a hospital cage not even the owners can get near them. Cats are actually very sensitive to stress, fear and anxiety.

DanieMarie
24 Oct 2013, 01:09
So, it was rather instant haha. He has decided that we are definitely not threats and that he wants lots and lots of attention. He is busy marking every corner of the apartment with his face, so he's making it his new home. He has started eating regularly again and is using the litter box just fine. We'll definitely leave the laundry for another week (we have enough clean clothes) and won't have anyone over. He's settling in so well and I don't want to disturb that! We'll also take your advice and leave him alone unless he seeks out attention. He still has the odd period where he just wants to sit by himself and watch us. I get that...he's settling in and knows we're not going to hurt him, but he is still getting to know us.

I totally understand how stress can change cats. My old cat needed a lot of attention and got very anxious when I was away from the house for any length of time. I've mostly worked from home during my time in Germany, but the few times I had jobs outside of the house, he got very stressed out. He would pee on things...often my things. He eventually got used to it, but it was always challenging for several weeks. One job I worked close to home, so I even came home for lunch every day so that I could break up my time away from home (which worked well).

Albert (the new kitty) was given to us because his previous owner had to work too much and often had to leave town for work. He lived in a fairly small one bedroom apartment and was quite unhappy, so his owner decided to give him up. So, I think he came from a situation where he wasn't quite happy into a completely new situation. It must have been very stressful for him!

Rae'ya
24 Oct 2013, 01:50
So, it was rather instant haha.

That's the cortisol and stress hormones dropping lol. I call it the 'Jekyll and Hyde' thing... one day they're going crazy and lashing out at everything and screaming and hissing and then two days later it's purring fuzzball of love.


He is busy marking every corner of the apartment with his face, so he's making it his new home.

This is very, very good! Marking is a good sign after a move and can take a few weeks to start with some cats. So it's great that he's doing that so soon. I'm so glad to hear he's had a big turn around! I was very worried for him yesterday from what you were saying.


Albert (the new kitty) was given to us because his previous owner had to work too much and often had to leave town for work. He lived in a fairly small one bedroom apartment and was quite unhappy, so his owner decided to give him up. So, I think he came from a situation where he wasn't quite happy into a completely new situation. It must have been very stressful for him!

I'm glad he's with you guys now, and I hope he enjoys his new family. It sounds like you are better than most people at recognising and understanding the stress... so many people don't even realise that their cat or dog is anxious or stressed, and often make it worse through the ways that they try to stop the behaviours. Then sometimes there are the people who know that their pet suffers it but cant or don't want to put the time, money or energy into helping them. I'm glad his previous owner recognised that they couldn't meet his needs and passed him on. Sounds like he'll be in a better place with you guys.

Edited to add...

Re the marking thing... I probably should clarify that. Face-marking after a move into a new environment is a good sign, and then that irregular 'top up' marking that they do every now and then throughout life is also fine. But face-marking in an established home on a regular basis can be a sign of anxiety... feeling the need to constantly face-mark an environment in which they live day to day is not very, very good. But in Albert's instance it's a good sign for now!

DanieMarie
24 Oct 2013, 02:19
I'll make sure I keep my eyes open with the face marking...I actually didn't know that it was a sign of anxiety, so if he does it over the long term I'll try to figure out how to ease his stress. I do think he's just marking his new territory though, and he seems able to relax and sleep (and is no longer hiding at all...he seems happy enough sleeping in the open). He's also been following Hannes and I around the house and asking for attention all morning. I think he is a very sweet kitty.

Shahaku
24 Oct 2013, 09:46
And I thought the adjustment period with dogs was hard... I could never handle a cat. Even if I wasn't allergic.

nbdy
24 Oct 2013, 15:51
Very glad to read that Albert is settling in.

DanieMarie
25 Oct 2013, 00:22
He let me brush him last night. He even seemed to like it! He has been rolling and showing his tummy and even letting us give him belly rubs. I think we'll all be fine haha.

Heka
25 Oct 2013, 15:36
So I am not the carer of a sick turtle. No, not my Hammond, but the schools turtle! Silly woman at school decided it would be a good idea to keep two turtles in a one foot tank. I've always thought this was iffy, but in my huge education of the last 2 weeks I've learnt that what she's doing is cruel and neglectful. So I've been educating her. Of course she insists they are fine. I show her my tank set up, tell her what I'm planning. Next day, her youngest turtle is dead. I offer to take the other one home and look after him for a bit. I also take some of her water home to test. Get little Squirt home, and see he's got either a bacterial or fungal infection covering an ENTIRE foot (no claws at all) and two of his other feed also have signs. So treatment has begun on that. I was also worried a bit about his shell, but as of last night, I'm VERY worried, as it started to wobble a bit in my hands.

So I have an approx 6 month turtle, who is only 5 cm SCL (stunted - mines 2-3 months and already over 4cm) with an infection on 3 feet, and soft shell. He's also not eating at the moment.

Poor guy.


My baby though, Hammond, is fine. I got my order of conditioners and filter media, so I should have no problem with tank cycling now, as long as I closely moniter it. Also my woodies and plants came, and I got my feeder fish. It took him all of 30 min to kill his first guppie. He's so cute! :D

Rae'ya
29 Oct 2013, 00:39
So I am not the carer of a sick turtle. No, not my Hammond, but the schools turtle! Silly woman at school decided it would be a good idea to keep two turtles in a one foot tank. I've always thought this was iffy, but in my huge education of the last 2 weeks I've learnt that what she's doing is cruel and neglectful. So I've been educating her. Of course she insists they are fine. I show her my tank set up, tell her what I'm planning. Next day, her youngest turtle is dead. I offer to take the other one home and look after him for a bit. I also take some of her water home to test. Get little Squirt home, and see he's got either a bacterial or fungal infection covering an ENTIRE foot (no claws at all) and two of his other feed also have signs. So treatment has begun on that. I was also worried a bit about his shell, but as of last night, I'm VERY worried, as it started to wobble a bit in my hands.

So I have an approx 6 month turtle, who is only 5 cm SCL (stunted - mines 2-3 months and already over 4cm) with an infection on 3 feet, and soft shell. He's also not eating at the moment.

Poor guy.


My baby though, Hammond, is fine. I got my order of conditioners and filter media, so I should have no problem with tank cycling now, as long as I closely moniter it. Also my woodies and plants came, and I got my feeder fish. It took him all of 30 min to kill his first guppie. He's so cute! :D

I'm replying in the Turtles thread...

:)

kijani
03 Nov 2013, 11:45
ugh. cats everywhere.

Juniper
03 Nov 2013, 21:37
My poor baby girl has had really rank breath ever since she came back home from the vets when she had a teeth cleaning. :(

Rae'ya
03 Nov 2013, 21:50
My poor baby girl has had really rank breath ever since she came back home from the vets when she had a teeth cleaning. :(

That's weird. Did they take any teeth out?

I'd call them and ask for a free dental check to see why it smells worse now. All our dentals get a free check at 7-10 days to make sure that everything is healing and talk about ongoing dental care. It should not smell worse now than it did before the clean up!

volcaniclastic
06 Nov 2013, 21:17
My kitty is at the vet overnight because he has a fever and couldn't stop vomiting. :(

My house is lonely without him.

Rae'ya
06 Nov 2013, 21:53
My kitty is at the vet overnight because he has a fever and couldn't stop vomiting. :(

My house is lonely without him.

Oh no :( I hope they get him sorted out for you.

iflewoverthecuckoosnest
06 Nov 2013, 23:48
My kitty is at the vet overnight because he has a fever and couldn't stop vomiting. :(

My house is lonely without him.

Hope the cat situation gets resolved. May your dear little kitty be well <3

nbdy
07 Nov 2013, 05:01
My kitty is at the vet overnight because he has a fever and couldn't stop vomiting. :(

My house is lonely without him.

This must be so stressful for you. Hope you hear good news soon.

DanieMarie
07 Nov 2013, 08:20
I hope he's ok, v!

volcaniclastic
07 Nov 2013, 17:55
Well...

He's at home now. He is hydrated again (he was very dehydrated) and when we left the vet, his fever was gone. They gave him an IV overnight and some antibiotics, and he's on a bland diet for the time being. He didn't eat the entire 24 hours he was at the vet, but when I got him home, he ate some wet cat food that they gave me to give him. He hasn't vomited yet, so that's a good thing. If he does, he has to go back to the vet right away, and I'm waiting on some blood work results to see if there is anything wrong with his stomach.

He had an infection from a hypersensitivity skin spot due to fleas (he had fleas? I never saw him scratch or nothing) ...and the vet thinks that's what caused the fever, but they don't know why he was vomiting, hence blood work.

So....hopefully he's okay. That one visit was a colossal amount of money. I'll pay any amount to make him better, but...yeah. I don't have enough real money for this.

Bjorn
08 Nov 2013, 00:21
Well...

He's at home now. He is hydrated again (he was very dehydrated) and when we left the vet, his fever was gone. They gave him an IV overnight and some antibiotics, and he's on a bland diet for the time being. He didn't eat the entire 24 hours he was at the vet, but when I got him home, he ate some wet cat food that they gave me to give him. He hasn't vomited yet, so that's a good thing. If he does, he has to go back to the vet right away, and I'm waiting on some blood work results to see if there is anything wrong with his stomach.

He had an infection from a hypersensitivity skin spot due to fleas (he had fleas? I never saw him scratch or nothing) ...and the vet thinks that's what caused the fever, but they don't know why he was vomiting, hence blood work.

So....hopefully he's okay. That one visit was a colossal amount of money. I'll pay any amount to make him better, but...yeah. I don't have enough real money for this.

Oh babe. I can relate -- I still haven't had a cat since Cobweb. <3 VIVA LA GATO!

volcaniclastic
08 Nov 2013, 07:20
Oh babe. I can relate -- I still haven't had a cat since Cobweb. <3 VIVA LA GATO!

He was acting odd all evening, pacing and not being able to sit still...and he won't stop licking that damn rash. But he kept his food down, and all night he kept me awake cuddle-mauling my face. I swear, everytime I tried to sleep, I'd wake up to his paws on my head, like he was trying to say "Hey mom, it's time to cuddle!" and then he'd purr and lay across me.

So...I didn't sleep well, but he seems to be feeling a bit better. I guess I'll just wait and see what the blood work results are. Maybe he just had a kitty flu, or something.

Edit: Correction, he threw up once. But it looks mostly like a hairball. Much better than throwing up whole kibble and water like before.

nbdy
08 Nov 2013, 14:11
Things sound promising, V. I am glad.

volcaniclastic
09 Nov 2013, 07:32
He was doing well, right up until I switched him back to some easy-to-digest dry food. He threw it up almost immediately. It wasn't even digested yet.

What the hell, cat. Just get better!

*goes back to the vet to buy $4/can wet cat food and sighs....*

volcaniclastic
10 Nov 2013, 07:47
He threw up three times yesterday, ran a high fever and had the chills yesterday evening. I called the emergency vet and am supposed to bring him in this morning. Last night, he did nothing but cuddle, and requested food this morning like nothing was wrong.

I don't even understand.

Bjorn
10 Nov 2013, 15:08
He threw up three times yesterday, ran a high fever and had the chills yesterday evening. I called the emergency vet and am supposed to bring him in this morning. Last night, he did nothing but cuddle, and requested food this morning like nothing was wrong.

I don't even understand.

Have there been any troubles with his urination lately? Any excess licking or lethargy?

volcaniclastic
10 Nov 2013, 17:42
Have there been any troubles with his urination lately? Any excess licking or lethargy?

Lethargy, and licking of the rash on his back, yes. He is peeing fine, though.

Rae'ya
10 Nov 2013, 19:44
Lethargy, and licking of the rash on his back, yes. He is peeing fine, though.

Have you had his blood results back yet? And this rash on his back... what's going on with that? Is it being treated, do we know if it's related or not? What medications is he on?

volcaniclastic
10 Nov 2013, 19:58
Have you had his blood results back yet? And this rash on his back... what's going on with that? Is it being treated, do we know if it's related or not? What medications is he on?

Blood results were normal, antibiotics for the rash but he's done his course. The rash is still hot to the touch, I keep calling the emergency vet, who sounds really nice and knowledgable, but is a bitch to get a hold of. Supposed to get him checked up tonight, but can't get ahold of the emergency vet.

He's been eating. He's a bit warm, but not vomitting today. I don't really know whats up anymore.

Rae'ya
10 Nov 2013, 20:33
Blood results were normal, antibiotics for the rash but he's done his course. The rash is still hot to the touch, I keep calling the emergency vet, who sounds really nice and knowledgable, but is a bitch to get a hold of. Supposed to get him checked up tonight, but can't get ahold of the emergency vet.

He's been eating. He's a bit warm, but not vomitting today. I don't really know whats up anymore.

I'm a bit worried about that rash. You said it's on his back? How long did the meds go for and what were they called? Otherwise it's vomiting, lethargy and fever, right? And craving attention. How long has this all been going on for?

Blood tests were normal... can I ask what it tested for? There are some things that don't show up in the baseline tests, but if his kidney and liver function is normal that's good.... that will have been on any baseline test.

Keep on the bland food while you're getting him sorted... the tinned stuff from the vet is best (I assume it's RC Gastro or Recovery, or Hills i/d or something along those lines?) but honestly you can feed him some plain chicken or white fish in the short term if you need to. It doesn't have much in the way of vitamins and minerals but what we're going for at the moment is easily digestible and low residue.

How old is he?

anubisa
11 Nov 2013, 18:01
My three dogs; Trini Belle, Walter James, and Sabrina Elise, went to the vet last Thursday. They got their yearly shots. Poor Trini and Sabrina have ear infections. So hopefully that will be gone within the week. All of them are Yorkies, so they are pretty healthy other than that. Please pray for the girls if you will. Thanks.

Shahaku
12 Nov 2013, 06:12
My pup has/had an ear infection. I'm supposed to continue using the ear cleaning every few days, then weekly, etc and kind of wean her off it. But man she hates that stuff.


My other dog has allergies too apparently. Been trying to figure out what's causing it cause he's never had an issue before. We've literally always fed him whatever was available. Sometimes my dad's girlfriend has extra bags of real good dog food because her dog is picky as hell and she's always trying to find a dry food he'll actually eat, so we give him that stuff a lot. And I usually pick up soft food for him to eat on occasion. And when I'm feeling generous I'll substitute a meal here and there with a boiled egg, chicken breast, etc. And then there's a potential of something on the lawn... cause we just moved here.

anubisa
12 Nov 2013, 07:22
My vet recommended Science Hill dog food. We usually use dry dog food instead of canned food. She also said not to use chicken, beef, or lamb. She recommended fish and bison dog food.

Shahaku
12 Nov 2013, 17:25
...yea. It's just most of that is really really expensive and my dog has never had a food allergy problem before. The only reason I'm thinking in might be the kibble and bits or whatever is because his muzzle was a little red after eating it a time or two. But it may have been that way from playing with the puppy too.. he gets pretty worked up when they get going. And they may have been playing before he ate, not sure. I'm honestly leaning more toward it being a possible yard issue, previous owners using lots of pesticide/herbicide type stuff to make the yard look good since they were selling it. Vet said that stuff can take a year or more to really go away.

And when I talk about chicken and eggs, I mean I cook a chicken breast or boil an egg, sometimes add some veggie bits that are safe and that they like. I don't do that too often, but a couple times a month as a special thing for them. Our dogs are the spoiled kind. They get apple chunks, bites of cantaloupe, real meat, broccoli, sweet potato/yams, carrots. I try to spoil them in ways that are healthy though. Cheese is probably the worst thing I give them. But they get bits from whatever we're having that's puppy safe. Honestly, if I could afford it, and knew enough about puppy nutrition, I would make them fresh food, from real food ingredients, all the time.

anubisa
12 Nov 2013, 19:13
We feed our dogs real food too. Real meat and veggies. We try to spoil them but not too much. ^^

kijani
12 Nov 2013, 23:04
Vincent is doing so well. He made friends with one of the cats. It makes me giggle.

nbdy
13 Nov 2013, 10:41
2522

Had to share.

DanieMarie
18 Nov 2013, 06:18
Ok so after a few weeks, we are having issues with Albert. After I originally posted in here, he started to settle in very well. He was affectionate and seemed comfortable. But then he started scratching at things. He has a very large cat tree for him to scratch and he does like to use it, but he also likes to scratch the rugs, furniture, and wicker baskets that we have around the house. He's also a huge climber and we're not so keen on him jumping on shelves and tables. We started telling him "no" and shaking a can of coins if he doesn't listen, but a lot of the time he doesn't listen. We have the feeling he was never not allowed to do things in his old home and he hasn't reacted well to not being allowed to do whatever he wants. Sometimes he's become aggressive about it, like we'll tell him "no" when he does something he's not supposed to and he hisses at us.

He also bites a lot. I get the idea that a lot of the time he wants to play (it's not hard or aggressive biting and he seems to act the same was as he does when he plays with his toys), but this isn't really acceptable playing. Is there anyway to train him out of this kind of behaviour? I'm a bit worried because a friend of mine trained her cat to roughhouse a bit and when they had kids, she had to give him away because he bit the baby.

I dont think he's still stressed out because none of his other behaviour indicates stress. He seems happy to relax a lot of the time. I also got the feliway plug-in and used it, but it hasn't changed any of the above behaviour. Is it something we're doing wrong? Or does he have to adjust?

Rowanwood
18 Nov 2013, 06:27
Ok so after a few weeks, we are having issues with Albert. After I originally posted in here, he started to settle in very well. He was affectionate and seemed comfortable. But then he started scratching at things. He has a very large cat tree for him to scratch and he does like to use it, but he also likes to scratch the rugs, furniture, and wicker baskets that we have around the house. He's also a huge climber and we're not so keen on him jumping on shelves and tables. We started telling him "no" and shaking a can of coins if he doesn't listen, but a lot of the time he doesn't listen. We have the feeling he was never not allowed to do things in his old home and he hasn't reacted well to not being allowed to do whatever he wants. Sometimes he's become aggressive about it, like we'll tell him "no" when he does something he's not supposed to and he hisses at us.

He also bites a lot. I get the idea that a lot of the time he wants to play (it's not hard or aggressive biting and he seems to act the same was as he does when he plays with his toys), but this isn't really acceptable playing. Is there anyway to train him out of this kind of behaviour? I'm a bit worried because a friend of mine trained her cat to roughhouse a bit and when they had kids, she had to give him away because he bit the baby.

I dont think he's still stressed out because none of his other behaviour indicates stress. He seems happy to relax a lot of the time. I also got the feliway plug-in and used it, but it hasn't changed any of the above behaviour. Is it something we're doing wrong? Or does he have to adjust?

He has to learn what goes in your house. I doubt coins will deter him. At the least I'd up the ante to a water spray bottle, and use it when he's a pain. Otherwise he'll never learn. Cats a smart. He's probably figured out the coins aren't a threat. They'll get his attention, but if there's no 'punishment' what does he care? But you may have a losing battle with the wicker. I finally gave up and let them have one basket that's fair game. Now they leave the other ones alone. Sometimes, they still claw the rug, but thankfully don't do damage. I pick my battles with the little fiends.

(I have 6 cats currently)

Rae'ya
19 Nov 2013, 01:53
This isn't anxiety or stress, this is his personality lol. And you haven't done anything wrong... we're past the 'adjusting' part now and into the 'how do we all live together' part. There are a few things going on here...


But then he started scratching at things. He has a very large cat tree for him to scratch and he does like to use it, but he also likes to scratch the rugs, furniture, and wicker baskets that we have around the house.

This is 100% completely normal. Cats scratch stuff... we have to try and teach him what it's acceptable to scratch and what it's not acceptable to scratch (which is harder with some than others). First of all, figure out what he likes to scratch the most, and make his scratching tree out of THAT material. Cats get preferences as to what textures they like, and will completely ignore an expensive cat tree if it's not the right fabric. My cat likes vinyl... don't know why, he just does lol. He doesn't have a cat tree and never has had one... he has a vinyl outdoor chair that has become his scratching post. So make sure that Albert has something in his preferred fabric that he IS allowed to scratch at.

Also pay attention to whether he's a vertical or a horizontal scratcher... some cats like to stretch up tall while others like to stretch out along the ground and scratch the corners of the couch etc. Make sure that his cat tree allows him to do that and is in an area where he can do his thing without being disturbed. Sometimes we put cat trees in corners or next to doorways, which means that when they try to stretch out, they get interrupted when people walk past, or they can't get quite the angle that they're after... and so they use the furniture instead because it works better for them. If he likes to scratch at the carpet then he needs a patch that he IS allowed to scratch at... like a rug or square of off-cut carpet that he can use.

Next, get some clear contact or double sided tape, and some cardboard sheets... cover the cardboard so that one side of it is has the sticky stuff out. Then lay it over all your furniture and rugs that you don't want him scratching at. It's a right pain, but what it does is make all the other surfaces not attractive to him, while 'his' surfaces are.

Reward him when you find him using 'his' surfaces... this is hard to do with cats, because they are much harder to motivate than dogs and aren't usually that fussed about food rewards. But if he's affectionate then just a pat and some praise can work, or engaging in play with him while he's playing with 'his' things. If he's motivated by affection and attention then that can make a difference to him.


He's also a huge climber and we're not so keen on him jumping on shelves and tables.

Again, this is normal for a lot of cats. Some cats like to hide down low... some like to be climbing and sitting above everything else. My advice is to give him a shelf he is allowed to sit on, so that he has at least one perch that he can get up to and safely sit on. Then put the contact sheets on everything else.

If his instinct is to get up high, then you need to give him an acceptable outlet for that. Trying to stop it completely is very difficult and usually fails or ends up ruining the relationship.


We started telling him "no" and shaking a can of coins if he doesn't listen, but a lot of the time he doesn't listen. We have the feeling he was never not allowed to do things in his old home and he hasn't reacted well to not being allowed to do whatever he wants. Sometimes he's become aggressive about it, like we'll tell him "no" when he does something he's not supposed to and he hisses at us.

This doesn't generally work for most animals (dogs OR cats). This style of punishment generally only works if it's sufficiently unpleasant and the personality is to avoid it rather than confront it. In some cases (like Albert's) it just forces a confrontation which you are NOT going to win. Sometimes a water squirter works much more effectively than noise, because it's more unpleasant to the cat and it's not directly associated with you, so there's less chance of getting into a confrontation.

BUT... with this style of re-training you have to make sure that you aren't triggering or creating anxieties. It doesn't sound like it is in Albert's case, but I've seen lots of people actually create more problems by doing this, because the cat then gets anxious and therefore starts other things like urinating in inappropriate places or becoming antisocial.

This is actually not our preferred method of re-training. It's funny, because this sort of thing is completely out of favor in dog training and behaviour, but is still 'acceptable' in cat training. If you're going to do this than I would say use a water squirter rather than a noise generator. But be aware that on it's own it may not be enough.


He also bites a lot. I get the idea that a lot of the time he wants to play (it's not hard or aggressive biting and he seems to act the same was as he does when he plays with his toys), but this isn't really acceptable playing. Is there anyway to train him out of this kind of behaviour? I'm a bit worried because a friend of mine trained her cat to roughhouse a bit and when they had kids, she had to give him away because he bit the baby.

Was he hand-reared by any chance? He has no concept of how hard to bite or what is acceptable play. It's very difficult to stop this, because they are supposed to be taught by their mothers as kittens what is acceptable and what is not. Lots of kittens that go to homes too early end up with these problems... simply because they were never taught properly. The important thing is not to get confrontational about it, because if he's doing it in play then you 'fighting back' is liable to escalate into a brawl, which you wont win. His teeth and claws are sharper than yours ;)

Stop playing with your hands. Use toys, sticks with string, little laser lights... remote play rather than up close and personal play. If he bites then play stops, stand up and walk away. IGNORE him when it swipes at you to make you come back. Make sure that you reward the not-biting play by engaging with it and stopping when he starts biting. Hopefully he will learn that biting gets him nothing and gentle play gets him play an attention.

This right here is the hard part about getting an older pet... their personality and preferences are already developed, and you're asking them to come into your house and change their lifestyle to suit yours. Some adjust and conform to your rules. Some get anxious and don't cope with being unable to live their own lifestyle. Some get stubborn and expect YOU to do the changing. My philosophy is generally one of compromise... he's an adult cat and yes, he needs to learn your rules and live by them if he wants to stay, but we also need to accept that he is a living creature with his own personality and preferences and see if there is some room for you to meet him in the middle, so to speak. Unfortunately we don't speak cat, so we can't sit him down and go through the 'housemate rules' lol.

I'll check with my behaviour vet tomorrow to see if she has any other tips for you. I know there's a website that she often recommends to our cat behaviour consults, but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.

DanieMarie
19 Nov 2013, 13:32
Wow thanks for the advice! I do understand that a lot of it is normal cat behaviour...it's just stuff we would like to teach him to not do. He has his cat tree to sit up high in (it's HUGE....we didn't buy it either, it came with him haha). He likes to scratch it, but unfortunately he likes to scratch everything and anything else as well. Carpets, furniture, walls, etc, etc, etc. I'll definitely do the double sided tape thing and I'll stop trying to scare him out of scratching.

I'm not sure how he was raised, to be honest. we wanted to ask the former owner a few questions but he hasn't gotten back to us yet. I like the idea of ignoring him when he tries to play aggressively. It seems easier for both of us lol.

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I have to be more patient as well. I lived with my old cat for a year in his former environment before he lived with me alone, so he had a whole year to get used to me. Even then, looking back, it took him a good two years to learn what was acceptable to me and what wasn't. My roommate (he used to be her cat) never had any rules and he used to do things like try to steal food off of my plate while I was eating it. I should remember that it could take Albert a while as well, especially since I don't think he had rules either.

Shahaku
19 Nov 2013, 16:17
Not sure if I've ever shared pictures, but here's my little guys. Stoeger, boston/French mix. And Koda, husky, more or less.

Briar
20 Nov 2013, 09:14
My cat is so silly. She makes these pathetic mews at me, gets me to follow her into the kitchen, just so I can watch her eat :P

It's not that she wants feeding, she just wants an audience.




My sister has a poodle and he does the same thing; and he wasn't very nice about it. After a while it got old so we wanted to see what he'd do if we ignored him long enough. He spent almost 3 days without eating, after which, he learned to bring the food to US. Yep, he takes a mouthfull of kibble and jumps on the sofa, or bed, or just the floor next to you and throws it on the ground and starts eating one by one. ::)

Social eaters...My brother had a shepherd that wouldn't eat without someone else being there so he went and bought another shepherd just so they could eat together. :rolleyes:

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Shahaku, sweet boys!

DanieMarie
07 Dec 2013, 10:55
Shahaku, your pups are adorable!

Rae'ya, I took your advice about Albert. it worked out really well! He sometimes still tries to play that way, but we just walk away and he's doing it a lot less. I also got a cat repellent spray (just something that smells bad to cats...and to me lol) for the shelves and now he stays away from them. He still scratches the antique rug, but I think he's learning for the most part and I'm sure he'll learn to leave that one alone as well.

Today we decided that since he's not trying to attack play anymore, he can sleep with us. We let him into the bedroom and we all had a lazy weekend nap. He loved it! He just purred and purred.

Rae'ya
07 Dec 2013, 23:39
Shahaku, your pups are adorable!

Rae'ya, I took your advice about Albert. it worked out really well! He sometimes still tries to play that way, but we just walk away and he's doing it a lot less. I also got a cat repellent spray (just something that smells bad to cats...and to me lol) for the shelves and now he stays away from them. He still scratches the antique rug, but I think he's learning for the most part and I'm sure he'll learn to leave that one alone as well.

Today we decided that since he's not trying to attack play anymore, he can sleep with us. We let him into the bedroom and we all had a lazy weekend nap. He loved it! He just purred and purred.

I'm glad it's working out! And lazy weekend cat naps are the best, no?

DanieMarie
08 Dec 2013, 02:28
Haha absolutely!

Another thing that has helped is that we let him outside on the terrace more often. I think this makes him a bit less restless. He loves being outside.

Shahaku
08 Dec 2013, 07:13
I'm glad your kitty is settling in Danie!

Bjorn
08 Dec 2013, 12:02
Meet Zeppelin, my roommate's Puggle (pug+beagle...which helps with how dumb most pugs are). I never in a million years would have thought that this goofball would be my favorite animal EVER, but he is. I mean, just look at him! HE'S GOT EYEBROWS. And a snaggletooth that his lip gets stuck on. And a need for snuggles and love. And he's always warm and happy to see me! And he let's me swaddle him like a BABEH.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/NexNecis/f2bc674c-cc16-4598-8fae-6c4b2001a2ba_zps5890de6c.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/NexNecis/media/f2bc674c-cc16-4598-8fae-6c4b2001a2ba_zps5890de6c.jpg.html)http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/NexNecis/4838399b-077e-4233-ab79-f92248153a09_zpsb66f3011.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/NexNecis/media/4838399b-077e-4233-ab79-f92248153a09_zpsb66f3011.jpg.html)

DanieMarie
09 Dec 2013, 03:41
OMG too cute!

Lilium of the Valley
09 Dec 2013, 04:00
Meet Zeppelin, my roommate's Puggle (pug+beagle...which helps with how dumb most pugs are). I never in a million years would have thought that this goofball would be my favorite animal EVER, but he is. I mean, just look at him! HE'S GOT EYEBROWS. And a snaggletooth that his lip gets stuck on. And a need for snuggles and love. And he's always warm and happy to see me! And he let's me swaddle him like a BABEH.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/NexNecis/f2bc674c-cc16-4598-8fae-6c4b2001a2ba_zps5890de6c.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/NexNecis/media/f2bc674c-cc16-4598-8fae-6c4b2001a2ba_zps5890de6c.jpg.html)http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/NexNecis/4838399b-077e-4233-ab79-f92248153a09_zpsb66f3011.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/NexNecis/media/4838399b-077e-4233-ab79-f92248153a09_zpsb66f3011.jpg.html)
Naaaaaawwwwwwww!! Omg that's so cuuute!

Shahaku
13 Dec 2013, 10:45
Meet Zeppelin, my roommate's Puggle (pug+beagle...which helps with how dumb most pugs are).

Too cute! Don't know how I missed this.


So my Boston is having some sort of issue with his leg. Back right leg. He'll be playing just fine and then he'll start yelping and refuse to use it for a few minutes. Then he goes back to normal. He's only three years old, I hate to think he could already be developing a hip issue, but I'm not sure what else it could be. He doesn't have any issue with me moving his leg around afterward (at least he doesn't yelp), he just doesn't want to put pressure on it. It's happened twice in two days that I know of. Really want to take him to the vet, but we really don't have the money right now. We're coming down to crunch time with the baby and it's gonna be a tight couple of months.

nbdy
13 Dec 2013, 11:58
I missed it, too. I wanna snuggle the puggle ...

Rowanwood
13 Dec 2013, 12:08
Oh hai guys. I'm Loghain. Wanna be friends?

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e52/maeves_child/23860b5c.jpg

iflewoverthecuckoosnest
13 Dec 2013, 12:17
Rocky and I. He's such a curious little ball of cuddles.


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Bjorn
13 Dec 2013, 12:55
Too cute! Don't know how I missed this.


So my Boston is having some sort of issue with his leg. Back right leg. He'll be playing just fine and then he'll start yelping and refuse to use it for a few minutes. Then he goes back to normal. He's only three years old, I hate to think he could already be developing a hip issue, but I'm not sure what else it could be. He doesn't have any issue with me moving his leg around afterward (at least he doesn't yelp), he just doesn't want to put pressure on it. It's happened twice in two days that I know of. Really want to take him to the vet, but we really don't have the money right now. We're coming down to crunch time with the baby and it's gonna be a tight couple of months.

Did you check his paw? If he lets you manipulate the leg afterwards then I'm inclined to think that there's something stuck in his little tootsie instead.

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Rocky and I. He's such a curious little ball of cuddles.

Is that a bunny nomming your face? :3

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Oh hai guys. I'm Loghain. Wanna be friends?

OMGYESIDOOOOOOOOOO

Rae'ya
14 Dec 2013, 22:17
There is FAAARRRR to much cute happening in this thread right now! :D


So my Boston is having some sort of issue with his leg. Back right leg. He'll be playing just fine and then he'll start yelping and refuse to use it for a few minutes. Then he goes back to normal. He's only three years old, I hate to think he could already be developing a hip issue, but I'm not sure what else it could be. He doesn't have any issue with me moving his leg around afterward (at least he doesn't yelp), he just doesn't want to put pressure on it. It's happened twice in two days that I know of. Really want to take him to the vet, but we really don't have the money right now. We're coming down to crunch time with the baby and it's gonna be a tight couple of months.

What you're describing sounds suspiciously like a luxating patella, though obviously nothing can be diagnosed over the internet lol. A luxating patella is a wobbly knee cap... it's an anatomical glitch that means that the knee cap and it's groove aren't shaped quite right, and so instead of staying in one place, the knee cap slides off to the side. When it's slid off to the side the leg is not functional... it will collapse out from under them and so they do this little three-legged hop for a few minutes and then it usually slides back into place. It's not painful per se... but sometimes the actual moment of the knee cap sliding across can be painful. And sometimes if it keeps happening over a few days the joint gets inflammed and is then painful and can be aggravated by exercise and play.

What can you do? Aside from take him to the vet, which would be the best and get you a proper diagnosis? Well seeing as he is in a bit of an acute stage right now I would rest him for a week. I know that's hard with a Boston but try to keep him quiet, don't let him play with the other dogs and don't take him for any walks. Give the inflammation a chance to settle down and the ligaments that hold his knee together a chance to rest. When it's happening you can massage his knee to see if you can slide the knee cap back into place... don't try to do anything specific, just gently massage the knee and it will often click back across. He might feel a pinch when it clicks back across so be prepared for that.

If this is what he has then he will have it forever. It comes in various degrees of severity... sometimes they just have a few acute episodes and otherwise it doesn't cause them any problems. Sometimes they are so bad that the knee caps are just sliding all over the place willy-nilly. When it's causing them discomfort or pain then surgery to correct it is a good option. Unfortunately this is orthopaedic surgery and is therefore expensive, plus not all general practice vets can do it. The surgery takes us about an hour or so, so it's long, they need lots of pain relief, have to stay in hospital overnight and have multiple visits afterwards for physical therapy and such.

Now don't panic... you don't know if he's in that stage yet and there are plenty of dogs who have this and who don't need surgery. I would just say that if it doesn't settle after a week of rest then you should take him to the vet because he may need some pain relief/anti inflammatories if his joint is very inflammed and painful from it.

So in the short term... strict rest for week. In the long term... consider putting him on a supplement for joints and arthritis, because it will make him prone to getting arthritis early. The best supplements are glucosamine and chondroitin that is sourced from green lipped mussel, because it also has extra omega fatty acids in the right balance. Here in Australia the best brands are Sasha's Blend or Pernease, but there are plenty of others. I don't know what you'd have over there. If you can work that into the budget then please do it, because it will improve his general joint health, have some anti-inflammatory effect, and slow down the arthritic changes. Please use a brand for dogs, not a human one, as you wont be able to get the correct dosage for a Boston from human tablets. If you can't get a green lipped mussel one then just use whatever you can get... anything will be better than nothing.

And if it's not settling or it gets worse, please take him to the vet as that yelping means that it is painful for him. Even if it's just for a minute or two... pain is not fun.

Shahaku
16 Dec 2013, 21:22
There is FAAARRRR to much cute happening in this thread right now! :D



What you're describing sounds suspiciously like a luxating patella, though obviously nothing can be diagnosed over the internet lol. A luxating patella is a wobbly knee cap... it's an anatomical glitch that means that the knee cap and it's groove aren't shaped quite right, and so instead of staying in one place, the knee cap slides off to the side. When it's slid off to the side the leg is not functional... it will collapse out from under them and so they do this little three-legged hop for a few minutes and then it usually slides back into place. It's not painful per se... but sometimes the actual moment of the knee cap sliding across can be painful. And sometimes if it keeps happening over a few days the joint gets inflammed and is then painful and can be aggravated by exercise and play.

What can you do? Aside from take him to the vet, which would be the best and get you a proper diagnosis? Well seeing as he is in a bit of an acute stage right now I would rest him for a week. I know that's hard with a Boston but try to keep him quiet, don't let him play with the other dogs and don't take him for any walks. Give the inflammation a chance to settle down and the ligaments that hold his knee together a chance to rest. When it's happening you can massage his knee to see if you can slide the knee cap back into place... don't try to do anything specific, just gently massage the knee and it will often click back across. He might feel a pinch when it clicks back across so be prepared for that.

If this is what he has then he will have it forever. It comes in various degrees of severity... sometimes they just have a few acute episodes and otherwise it doesn't cause them any problems. Sometimes they are so bad that the knee caps are just sliding all over the place willy-nilly. When it's causing them discomfort or pain then surgery to correct it is a good option. Unfortunately this is orthopaedic surgery and is therefore expensive, plus not all general practice vets can do it. The surgery takes us about an hour or so, so it's long, they need lots of pain relief, have to stay in hospital overnight and have multiple visits afterwards for physical therapy and such.

Now don't panic... you don't know if he's in that stage yet and there are plenty of dogs who have this and who don't need surgery. I would just say that if it doesn't settle after a week of rest then you should take him to the vet because he may need some pain relief/anti inflammatories if his joint is very inflammed and painful from it.

So in the short term... strict rest for week. In the long term... consider putting him on a supplement for joints and arthritis, because it will make him prone to getting arthritis early. The best supplements are glucosamine and chondroitin that is sourced from green lipped mussel, because it also has extra omega fatty acids in the right balance. Here in Australia the best brands are Sasha's Blend or Pernease, but there are plenty of others. I don't know what you'd have over there. If you can work that into the budget then please do it, because it will improve his general joint health, have some anti-inflammatory effect, and slow down the arthritic changes. Please use a brand for dogs, not a human one, as you wont be able to get the correct dosage for a Boston from human tablets. If you can't get a green lipped mussel one then just use whatever you can get... anything will be better than nothing.

And if it's not settling or it gets worse, please take him to the vet as that yelping means that it is painful for him. Even if it's just for a minute or two... pain is not fun.

Generally, pills, supplements, etc we can afford. We buy them higher end dog food, generally. It's not the most expensive stuff, but we make sure meat is the first ingredient and that sort of thing. But our vet would probably charge like $300-$600 at a guess just to diagnose him. Hell, an office visit cost us $150, just for her to give him a shot for nausea cause his stomach was a little upset. Then she'd want to medicate him, or do surgery, and make me feel like an ass when I say I can't afford to do that right now. Three months from now? Yeah, we'll probably be in a lot better place. But not right now. And she's one of the less expensive vets in town. I could drive him to my hometown, but we're still talking XRays, etc.

He hasn't done it in the last couple days, which is good. Actually, after seeing Bjorns post I gave him a bath and washed his paws real thoroughly and he hasn't done it since then. I don't know that they're connected, I couldn't find anything obvious on his paw, but that was when it stopped (I haven't seen it since then). We had just gotten snow recently and put down salt (we get the pet/kid friendly salt, but still). So may he did agitate something there, I don't know. But if it starts up again or becomes persistent I might try talking to the vet about a payment plan. Just most of the vets around here really aren't willing to work with you on that sort of thing.

Rae'ya
20 Dec 2013, 02:13
He hasn't done it in the last couple days, which is good. Actually, after seeing Bjorns post I gave him a bath and washed his paws real thoroughly and he hasn't done it since then. I don't know that they're connected, I couldn't find anything obvious on his paw, but that was when it stopped (I haven't seen it since then).

lol That's what most people with a limping dog say... "I think he has something in his foot, but when I felt it I couldn't find anything".

If there is something in their foot, they generally lick at the foot. Lameness without licking is almost never a something-in-the-foot problem.


But our vet would probably charge like $300-$600 at a guess just to diagnose him. Hell, an office visit cost us $150, just for her to give him a shot for nausea cause his stomach was a little upset. Then she'd want to medicate him, or do surgery, and make me feel like an ass when I say I can't afford to do that right now. Three months from now? Yeah, we'll probably be in a lot better place. But not right now. And she's one of the less expensive vets in town. I could drive him to my hometown, but we're still talking XRays, etc.

A luxating patella is diagnosed just in a consult... you don't normally need xrays or anything like that. Sometimes, in very stressed or anxious dogs it can be difficult to diagnose stifle problems without sedation, because they hold themselves so tense that you can't feel anything at all. Sometimes if it's a very intermittent problem then you can't actually elicit a luxation during the consult... in which case that's a pretty good indication that it isn't bad enough for surgery or anything like that. To put this in perspective for you... I would see at least two or three dogs every single day who have some degree of luxating patella... and we do maybe three or four surgeries a year. Hundreds of dogs have an intermittent problem and don't need anything more than some exercise management and joint support supplements. It is extremely common in small dogs, and unfortunately is a trait that has become bred into many breeds.

As I said, rest him for a week and if it doesn't happen again then don't bother with the vet, but consider a joint support supplement. If it keeps happening then consider a vet visit so that you can at least make sure that he's not in any pain. If it only happens once in a blue moon and corrects quickly, then don't stress too much. But be prepared for potential early arthritis.

I would also say that if he has a possible stifle (knee) problem, then try to avoid play and exercise that involves sudden stops and twists and turns, like ball chasing. Those movements are very stressful on knee joints and can exacerbate things like luxating patellas or cruciate disease.

Shahaku
20 Dec 2013, 08:57
lol That's what most people with a limping dog say... "I think he has something in his foot, but when I felt it I couldn't find anything".

If there is something in their foot, they generally lick at the foot. Lameness without licking is almost never a something-in-the-foot problem.
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He is literally always licking at his paws. I've read that it's a Boston trait, the constant licking. But whenever he lays down he's either licking at his paws or at whatever is under him until he actually falls asleep. Pillow, blanket, floor, whatever. However, he has done this again a couple times now, once going down the stairs and once when I was drying him off after he came inside. He freaked when the towel caught his leg when he was squirming around. Right now, we're trying to keep him away from the other dog and carrying him on the stairs, etc. The hardest thing is keeping him from jumping out of the bed. We have some stools/boxes that he can use as stairs at the foot of the bed, but he just prefers to jump down and sometimes we don't get to him in time to stop him from that. It's really hard keeping him from being active, he's a pretty energetic little dog. Not nearly as much as the puppy, but he still likes to run around a play a lot. I'll pick up the supplements on Monday, give the vet a call and see if she'll be able to work with us, and hopefully get it worked out.

Rae'ya
20 Dec 2013, 20:37
He is literally always licking at his paws. I've read that it's a Boston trait, the constant licking. But whenever he lays down he's either licking at his paws or at whatever is under him until he actually falls asleep. Pillow, blanket, floor, whatever. However, he has done this again a couple times now, once going down the stairs and once when I was drying him off after he came inside. He freaked when the towel caught his leg when he was squirming around. Right now, we're trying to keep him away from the other dog and carrying him on the stairs, etc. The hardest thing is keeping him from jumping out of the bed. We have some stools/boxes that he can use as stairs at the foot of the bed, but he just prefers to jump down and sometimes we don't get to him in time to stop him from that. It's really hard keeping him from being active, he's a pretty energetic little dog. Not nearly as much as the puppy, but he still likes to run around a play a lot. I'll pick up the supplements on Monday, give the vet a call and see if she'll be able to work with us, and hopefully get it worked out.

Have you ever put him on something for allergies? The reason Bostons tend to lick their feet is that they are prone to allergies. Breeders don't tell you these things... they say 'oh it's a Boston/Staffy/Rotty/whatever trait and that's normal'. Then we get a hold of them and say 'well actually the reason your Lab has recurring ear infections is that it has allergies and here's a few things you can do about it...' or 'actually it's not normal for your Pug to not be able to breathe and we need to widen his nostrils'... or any other one of a hundred different breed specific quirks that we can actually do something about.

Breeders breed for aesthetics and breed standards, not health. Unfortunately that's how it becomes 'normal' that certain breeds are prone to certain diseases. And unfortunately some of these things, like allergies, anxieties, luxating patellas and an inability to breathe are so 'normal' that people don't realise there are things we can do to help.

I have some advice for foot licking too if you're interested... things that don't involve a vet visit or drugs.

Shahaku
22 Dec 2013, 09:45
Always interested in advise!

He's never had an issue with allergies before, but the last time we were at the vet she thought he might be developing some. But we also think that may be from the move into this house, since that's when that started. We think he may be allergic to whatever was put on the yard before we moved here. So we're going to be sure to get pet friendly yard stuff and pet friendly salt, etc, from now on. She keeps going on about food allergies and sticking to one food, but he's always ate a variety of dog food and never had a problem with any of them.

Rae'ya
22 Dec 2013, 23:19
Always interested in advise!

Ha! Famous last words! Here we go then... :p

Skip right down to the 'Skin Barrier Function' part if you don't want to know the whats and whys... but check the anxiety part first just to see whether it's possible that is your pup's problem.


He's never had an issue with allergies before, but the last time we were at the vet she thought he might be developing some. But we also think that may be from the move into this house, since that's when that started. We think he may be allergic to whatever was put on the yard before we moved here. So we're going to be sure to get pet friendly yard stuff and pet friendly salt, etc, from now on. She keeps going on about food allergies and sticking to one food, but he's always ate a variety of dog food and never had a problem with any of them.

Regular feet licking is generally one of two things... anxiety or allergies.

Anxiety is usually genetically wired, but humans are really bad at recognising the signs of it. There are literally thousands of dogs who have low grade anxiety, but who are just treated as 'excitable' or 'untrainable' or things like that. It can be mild early in life and get worse as they get older, or can get worse suddenly when something big happens like moving house. Things that can indicate anxiety are obsessive feet licking or licking at a particular spot on a leg (you can tell if they've been licking because any pale coloured fur gets stained a brownish colour), licking at other things like people's legs or walls etc, general excitability or hyperactivity, taking a long time to settle down, whining and vocalising when they're 'excited', not listening to you or being difficult to train, pacing, incessantly bothering you for no apparent reason, being destructive in the house, being aggressive to people, being aggressive to other dogs, barking, breaking out of the back yard and running off down the street, being antisocial, being timid, not sitting still... or lots of other little things.

What can you do for anxiety? Well that depends on how bad it is. Some need medication. Most just need the correct handling and routine to help them feel happier about the world. People tend to inadvertently respond to them in ways that INCREASE anxiety rather than decrease it. Yelling at them, getting frustrated, putting them outdoors, yanking on their collar, walking them on choker chains/check leads, punishment of ANY kind, being inconsistent, changing the rules for no apparent reason, having a generally chaotic or frenetic house... all these things make it worse. They need calm and routine. And when their anxiety threshold is too high, they are actually incapable of paying attention and thinking about doing what you've asked them to do. So getting mad because they wont sit is really not helpful, but that's always the first thing that I see people doing. Dealing with anxious dogs is almost always about training the OWNER, not the dog lol.

Allergies in dogs generally come in two main forms. Food allergies, which develop over time and are in response to repeated exposure to a particular protein or carb source; or environmental allergies, which is genetic and usually shows up in younger dogs but can be responsible for those mild signs that people just think are 'normal'. They can also have both.

Allergies is also a threshold thing. You know that saying 'the straw that broke the donkey's back'? Well apply that to allergies. I normally draw a graph for clients when I talk about this but that's a bit hard here so I'll do my best lol. But basically there's a threshold, and if you are below that threshold then you're 'ok', but if you're above it then you're 'itchy'... and the 'itchy' comes in degrees. Lots of little things tip you further up towards the threshold... allergens themselves are the big one - these are the things that you are actually allergic to and which cause a reaction. But there's others too... hot weather (keep in mind it doesn't really get 'cold' here, so I don't know whether very cold weather would be on this list or not), fleas, humidity, stress, illness, a scratch or scrape from falling over, incorrect nutrition... lots of little things contribute. Then there are things that bring you down from the threshold... medications, antibacterial washes, the correct ration of omega 3 and 6, good nutrition, improving skin barrier function, keeping up with parasite control and vaccinations to prevent illness... and anything that prevents or reverses the effects of the triggers. The aim is to decrease the triggers in increase the preventatives, so that we can hopefully keep things below the threshold line.

Food allergies are in response to something they are exposed to a lot. So that means usually things like corn or wheat as carbs sources, or chicken, beef or pork as protein sources. Ironically, rice is generally low-allergen and rarely causes a problem, even when it's fed a lot. Food allergies also DON'T always show up as gastro-intestinal signs. Sometimes they do, but we see it just as often show up as skin problems. Now changing dog food brands and flavours a lot does NOT mean that they aren't getting that repeated exposure, because things like corn and beef or pork by-products are in EVERYTHING. So you could feed five different types over the space of a year, and still be exposing them to corn every single day, thus still potentially getting a food allergy. And seeing as food allergies can show up as mild skin problems... it is one potential cause. They can also spontaneously start up at ANY time in a dog's life... so a nine year old dog who has eaten the same thing his whole life is just as at risk as a three year old dog who eats a variety of things. It is also nothing to do with food quality... they can develop food allergies to the protein or carb sources in a top quality commercial food just as easily as a poor quality diet or a homecooked one. The ONLY requisite is that it is a protein or carb that they are exposed to regularly over a period of time.

The way to check for a food allergy is to do a diet trial... and this can be done in two ways. Either using a 'novel protein' diet, which is something they have NEVER been exposed to before; or a 'hydrolysed protein diet', which is something that has had the proteins and/or carbs broken down so small that the body doesn't recognise them and therefore doesn't react to them. You need to do the diet trial for 8-12 weeks at a minimum and it's vitally important that during that time NOTHING else passes their lips but that diet. No treats, no scraps, no tidbits, no bones, no flavoured things (including wormers or heartworm products, though you CAN use unflavoured brands during the trial)... nothing that has any carbohydrate or protein in it. Both types of diet come in commercial types, and the hydrolysed diet is considered the gold standard of diet trial. It's possible to do a novel protein diet at home, but it's generally expensive. Here in Aus we usually use things like duck, turkey or fish as a the novel protein, and tapioca, pumpkin, or sweet potato as the novel carb source, because those things are not generally fed to dogs here or included in commercial foods. Some people have success using grain free foods, because they often have odd things like bison meat as the protein and no grain based carbs... but they sometimes still do have corn or chicken by-product... so if you aren't using one of the specially designed diet-trial foods then you have to check the labels VERY carefully.

If all symptoms stop after 12 weeks, then you can be pretty sure it's a food allergy. Then you start adding in ONE new ingredient each week and wait to see if they start reacting again or not. It takes a long time, but it's worth it. If symptoms improve but don't stop completely, then it's possible that there is BOTH food and environmental allergies going on.

What do you do for food allergies? Control their diet, don't feed them the things that they react to. And if the symptoms are skin then work on improving skin barrier function (which I'll get to at the end).

Environmental allergies can be to anything... grass, pollen, carpet, mouse hair (yes, we once had a dog's allergy test come back as allergic to mouse hair), dust mites, chemicals... lots of different things. These can trigger things by direct contact, but are actually normally an inhaled thing and are thus very difficult to control. They are also often allergic to more than one thing, so ripping up your back lawn or carpet MIGHT help, but it's no guarantee lol.

The way to diagnose that is either by allergy testing (by a dermatologist), a medication trial (put them on something for atopy but not food allergies, like cyclosporin, and see if they get better) or rule out a food allergy by doing a diet trial (which is our preferred method) then treat as appropriate.

What do you do for environmental allergies? Depends on how bad it is. Some need medications. Some can be managed by working on reducing the threshold triggers and skin barrier function.

Skin barrier function is a complicated mechanism to do with the way that the cells of the skin are held together and the integrity of the different layers of the skin. Basically, if you have itchy skin, dry skin, allergies, redness, or are licking a lot then the skin barrier function is going to be shit. And when it's shit, it can't keep allergens out and so then you get triggers and kick up to the itch threshold a lot faster. So we want to improve this as best we can.

One of the best ways is to make sure they have the CORRECT ratio of omega 3 and 6 in their diet... which is harder than it sounds. You can't just add fish oil... it doesn't work like that. You need both the 3s and the 6s in a specific ratio. The easiest way is to feed a commercial 'skin support' food, because it's all calculated and added in there already, along with some other nutrients that help the skin. The hard way is to work out the current ratio of the food you feed and then calculate how much of each you need to add in... and that means an omega 3 source and a separate omega 6 source added in different amounts. If you do a home-prepared diet then it's actually easier, because you can add something called 'Megaderm' in and will be fairly accurate because most home-prepared meat+carb+veg diets don't have much omega 3 or 6 in them.

The other way is to apply a soothing, moisturising lotion or cream that actively helps to improve skin barrier function. We use one called 'Aloveen', which is a leave in conditioner that is made with oatmeal and aloe vera and has this special micro-bead formulation that clings to the skin and keeps allergens out. It's difficult to use on feet but is fabulous for the rest of the body lol. Anything that is oatmeal, pawpaw or aloe vera is going to help, but you have to be careful of things that are designed for human skin as we have a different pH level than dogs and so using human stuff on dogs can actually exacerbate issues. I've had some clients also have success with Alpha Keri oil too (the oil, not the lotion).

The other things is to keep the secondary bacteria and yeast infection down. This means using antibacterial/antifungal shampoos to wash their feet and/or body with. Do NOT use tea tree oil on inflammed skin because it stings like a bitch. We use one called 'Malaseb' and we tell clients to wash the feet every second day for a week at first, then weekly or fortnightly for life. Lather it up, leave it on for ten minutes then rinse and pat their feet dry. You dont' have to do the whole body, just the feet. Then put something moisturising on afterwards, like the Aloveen or similar.

It can also help to rinse their feet with cold water when they've come in after a walk (again, it doesn't snow here so use maybe warm water for you?) or protect their feet when they walk by using special dog booties. And generally do everything you can to reduce the triggers... keep up parasite control, check for food allergies, reduce stress, all that kind of thing.

Anyway... I think that's more than enough for now! lol

Hawkfeathers
22 Dec 2013, 23:53
This morning, I got up at my usual time (sunrise), gave Buddy fresh food & water, and went back to bed for a few hours. This is unusual for me - and I am SOOOO glad I spent 5 years researching parrot species back in the late 80's before deciding on an African Grey!! He didn't make a peep the whole time. He's just so amazingly perfect for me. We will be together 24 years this Jan. and every day is better than the last.

Shahaku
23 Dec 2013, 08:37
Wow, Rae'ya, I wasn't expecting an essay, but that is a lot of good information. I didn't know that a food allergy could develop like that, I thought it was just something they either had or didn't have. I would have a lot of trouble finding a food he hasn't been exposed to.... I'm really into making sure they get a variety of foods. So on top of different dog foods regularly, they get all the healthy tasty bits (and a few of the not so healthy, our Boston loves curly fries from Arby's but he only gets one or two every now and then, as an example) from our food. Bites of apple, beef sticks, cantaloupe, sweet potato. Anything on my plate that I know dogs are allowed to have I'll pass them a couple bites. And a couple times a month I tend to make them homemade meals as a treat with eggs, chicken breast, veggies, etc. So.... my dogs are all exposed to a variety from early on. Doing a test like you describe would be virtually impossible... just because I can't be sure that they have never been exposed to a particular food item.

The lotions you mentioned, I assume they are safe if he goes to town licking at it right away? The antibacterial shampoos, are those over the counter?

Heka
29 Dec 2013, 21:19
I think this thread needs to be re-named the 'Ask Rae'ya about Vet stuff' thread :P

Shahaku
30 Dec 2013, 18:53
^lol Yea. I kinda feel sorry taking advantage on occasion.

I talked to my vet about the cost to get our Boston checked out and she said only $45 for the exam, which should determine what's going on. I thought that was great, I can afford that. Until the hubby's car broke down and we had to spend $700 on that and the baby is going to be here before my next paycheck and we literally put every penny in our saving account into his car...so. yea.

Heka
30 Dec 2013, 18:58
I've taken advantage too, it's ok :D

Bjorn
30 Dec 2013, 19:18
^lol Yea. I kinda feel sorry taking advantage on occasion.

I don't think you should be remorseful at all -- Rae'ya posts thoughtfully because she is knowledgeable and she cares! I certainly don't think she feels taken advantage of (but if she does, gimme some bad rep or something for speaking entirely out of turn)!

DanieMarie
02 Jan 2014, 08:15
Ugh sooo my bf and I were snuggling on the couch and the kitty bit him and started hissing. Judging by his behaviour and some fancing googling, I think he (kitty) thought he (bf) was attacking me.

Rae'ya
02 Jan 2014, 22:48
Wow, Rae'ya, I wasn't expecting an essay, but that is a lot of good information.

Err... yeah... sorry lol. I get a bit excited sometimes ;)


I didn't know that a food allergy could develop like that, I thought it was just something they either had or didn't have. I would have a lot of trouble finding a food he hasn't been exposed to.... I'm really into making sure they get a variety of foods. So on top of different dog foods regularly, they get all the healthy tasty bits (and a few of the not so healthy, our Boston loves curly fries from Arby's but he only gets one or two every now and then, as an example) from our food. Bites of apple, beef sticks, cantaloupe, sweet potato. Anything on my plate that I know dogs are allowed to have I'll pass them a couple bites. And a couple times a month I tend to make them homemade meals as a treat with eggs, chicken breast, veggies, etc. So.... my dogs are all exposed to a variety from early on. Doing a test like you describe would be virtually impossible... just because I can't be sure that they have never been exposed to a particular food item.

Usually it's repeated exposure, but they can develop allergies to anything they have been exposed to previously. If you wanted to go down this route, you'd have to use a hydrolysed protein diet then... they are the ones where the proteins are broken down so small that the body doesn't recognise them. They usually use chicken protein, but because it's hydrolysed, it doesn't matter, because the body doesn't know that it's chicken it's eating, and so doesn't react to it. A food trial with a hydrolysed protein diet would still be diagnostic, whereas it sounds like doing a 'novel protein' diet wouldn't work for you, because he's been exposed to all sorts of things that most dogs aren't.


The lotions you mentioned, I assume they are safe if he goes to town licking at it right away? The antibacterial shampoos, are those over the counter?

Yes and yes. The ones I was talking about are safe if he licks them off, though if he licks them off straight away then they may not have a chance to work! Usually I tell people to put them on just before he has dinner or goes for a walk or to play with them for a bit straight after. That way they are distracted for ten minutes and it gives things a chance to work.


^lol Yea. I kinda feel sorry taking advantage on occasion.

Nah, I enjoy it. I'm passionate about my job and it's also a spiritual thing for me. If I can give advice or education that makes life better for a pet, then I'm doing my job and living my passion.

The hard thing about giving advise though is that sometimes people expect full diagnoses over the internet... and I can't diagnose in real life, let alone over the internet. I can just give ideas and advice based on what MIGHT be going on and whether it needs attention, or expand on what a vet has previously told you. And I'm going to be completely honest about whether I think someone needs to go for a vet consult or not... as I have done with your Boston. There's nothing worse than having a client come in after their dog has been sick for a week and say 'well I went on this forum on the internet...' or 'his breeder told me...' as justification for why they didn't bring their vomiting dog to us earlier. I see that sort of thing far too often.

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I don't think you should be remorseful at all -- Rae'ya posts thoughtfully because she is knowledgeable and she cares! I certainly don't think she feels taken advantage of (but if she does, gimme some bad rep or something for speaking entirely out of turn)!

No bad rep for you! lol

You're right. I care and I have the training, knowledge and experience to be able to help people out with pet related things. And there is SOOOO much misinformation out there on the internet sometimes it makes me want to scream. And usually it's from people who should know better!

Heka
02 Jan 2014, 22:51
You'll be loving the possible new Pet's board then :P We could even have an 'Ask Rae'ya' thread! XD