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16 Jun 2011, 03:18

16 Jun 2011, 11:54
That guy rocks.

17 Jun 2011, 04:29
Though I usually do not enjoy sermon's I found this one very interesting. It helped me kind of sort through my life when I felt abandoned by friends.


17 Jun 2011, 05:12
That guy rocks.

I know it seems hard right now, but I wanna F you, I wanna F you so hard.

17 Jun 2011, 05:51
Liadan, that one is pretty darn good too!

...these are two of my faves--prayers attributed to St Francis of Assisi

The Canticle of the Sun

by Francis of Assisi

Most high, all powerful, all good Lord! All praise is yours, all glory, all honor, and all blessing. To you, alone, Most High, do they belong. No mortal lips are worthy to pronounce your name.

Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures, especially through my lord Brother Sun, who brings the day; and you give light through him. And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor! Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness.

Be praised, my Lord, through Sister Moon and the stars; in the heavens you have made them, precious and beautiful.

Be praised, my Lord, through Brothers Wind and Air, and clouds and storms, and all the weather, through which you give your creatures sustenance.

Be praised, My Lord, through Sister Water; she is very useful, and humble, and precious, and pure.

Be praised, my Lord, through Brother Fire, through whom you brighten the night. He is beautiful and cheerful, and powerful and strong.

Be praised, my Lord, through our sister Mother Earth, who feeds us and rules us, and produces various fruits with colored flowers and herbs.

Be praised, my Lord, through those who forgive for love of you; through those who endure sickness and trial. Happy those who endure in peace, for by you, Most High, they will be crowned.

Be praised, my Lord, through our Sister Bodily Death, from whose embrace no living person can escape. Woe to those who die in mortal sin! Happy those she finds doing your most holy will. The second death can do no harm to them.

Praise and bless my Lord, and give thanks, and serve him with great humility.

(translated by Bill Barrett from the Umbrian text of the Assisi codex.)

Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen

...obviously, I don't agree with all of it, but I'm down with the overall message...

17 Jun 2011, 13:03
I know it seems hard right now, but I wanna F you, I wanna F you so hard.

Really? I don't.

Tylluan Penry
18 Jun 2011, 00:13
My problem with the 'Make me an instrument of your peace' is that Margaret Thatcher once quoted it as though it was her own sentiments (she did acknowledge St Frank, but only in passing) and I really really believe that woman was criminally insane. I can't think of any US politician with whom I could compare her... any suggestions?

26 Jun 2011, 11:05
Some reasons why not all Christians think that non-Christians are hell-bound... (http://www.internetchurchofchrist.org/pearl-doallnonchristiansgotohell.html)

26 Jun 2011, 12:33
I actually like Joel Osteen.

*ducks & runs for cover*

31 Jul 2011, 13:37
this might not be * precisely* the best place for it...but I found this article/vidoeto be quite interesting (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/do-you-speak-christian/)...

07 Aug 2011, 13:00
a blog post from a Christian mom blogger about her experience at a Lughnasadh ritual (http://soullibertyfaith.com/?p=976#comment-1631)

08 Aug 2011, 12:52
a blog post from a Christian mom blogger about her experience at a Lughnasadh ritual (http://soullibertyfaith.com/?p=976#comment-1631)

That was awesome.

It actually made me cry a bit.

10 Aug 2011, 04:22
the following is from a post @ The Progressive Christian (e-zine sort of site) on the Rick Perry prayer event, The Response (http://tpcmagazine.org/article/five-scriptures-you-wont-hear-rick-perrys-prayer-event)--the whole post is good, but here's the kicker:

...the problem isn't one politician but rather a nation that has embraced an unhealthy political arrogance undergirded by even unhealthier religious hubris. The "prayer" that is most needed at this time is for each of us, believer or not, to go into our own heart and find the humility and empathy that is at the core of righteousness, political and spiritual.

10 Aug 2011, 04:31
...lol, now that I have been reading thru the rest of the site (there are many messages I am down with--I'll probably add more), I followed a link to a NPR segment I must have missed...from the article:

"There are two things in my life that are an absolute," the megachurch pastor told his flock. "I did not ask for either one of them, both of them were imposed upon me, I had no control over either of them. One was the call of God on my life... and the other thing ... was my sexual orientation."

Jim Swilley — a twice-married father of four, a man who comes from a long line of evangelical preachers — revealed a secret he'd been holding onto most of his life:

He's gay.

read the rest, listen to the story and watch the video...

14 Sep 2011, 04:32
Just read...
a blog post from a Christian mom blogger about her experience at a Lughnasadh ritual (http://soullibertyfaith.com/?p=976#comment-1631)... Uber! :)

11 Apr 2012, 11:00
There's a movie on Netflix (if you don't get it, you might be able to find it elsewhere), called For the Bible Tells Me So (http://www.forthebibletellsmeso.org), that shows the better side of Christian religions and Christians towards homosexuality...and exactly how difficult it can be for families to overcome growing up or being part of denominations that don't share those views. Its really quite excellent. Particularly wonderful are some of the quotes by Desmond Tutu. In parts its sad, but overall...its inspiring. And I think its important to remember (particularly in the Pagan community), that Christianity, once you get past doing religion with Jesus, isn't the caricature that people like Rick Santorum or Pat Robertson make it to be.

22 Jun 2013, 03:59
Ah!!!! I found another one... (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/us/for-episcopal-churchs-leader-a-sermon-leads-to-more-controversy.html?smid=fb-share) Go Episcopalians!

From the article:

On May 12, Bishop Jefferts Schori preached in All Saints Church in the town of Steenrijk.


Her text was Acts 16:16-34 (http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=236618944), which includes the story of a slave woman and fortuneteller whom Paul encounters in Philippi, Macedonia.
As Luke, who Christians believe is the narrator, tells the story, the woman “had a spirit of divination and brought her owners a great deal of money by fortunetelling. While she followed Paul and us, she would cry out, ‘These men are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.’ ” After many days, “Paul, very much annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, ‘I order you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.’ And it came out that very hour.”

This story has historically been read as a tale of exorcism, in which Paul delivers the woman from some sort of indwelling spirit — or, alternatively, strikes a blow for monotheism against local beliefs in plural gods. But as Bishop Jefferts Schori interpreted the passage, Paul was guilty of failing to value diversity, to see the slave girl’s beautiful “difference.”

“Paul is annoyed at the slave girl,” Bishop Jefferts Schoripreached (http://episcopaldigitalnetwork.com/ens/2013/05/13/presiding-bishop-preaches-in-curacao-diocese-of-venezuela/). “She’s telling the same truth Paul and others claim for themselves. But Paul is annoyed, perhaps for being put in his place, and he responds by depriving her of her gift of spiritual awareness. Paul can’t abide something he won’t see as beautiful or holy, so he tries to destroy it.”

(snip the brouhaha this has caused...go to the article for more info)

But Bishop Jefferts Schori pointed out, in an interview on Friday, that elsewhere in the Bible, Paul appears to condone slavery. Her sermon was thus part of a necessary, continuing tradition of interpretation.

“If the church had never reinterpreted Scripture,” the bishop said, “we would still have slavery — legal slavery.” Scripture must be read “in our own time and our own context,” because prior generations had “a limited view,” she said.
“They had to have a limited view, because none of us is God.”

...I'd like to point out that this wasn't just a sermon by some random minister, but by the leader of the Episcopalian Church.

And while I'm "down with" the Episcopalians, I thought I'd share another idea I'm down with (http://www.npr.org/2013/01/14/169066917/retired-bishop-gene-robinson-on-being-gay-and-loving-god) from the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopalian Church (who has now retired):

"I think people often come to the synagogue, mosque, the church looking for God, and what we give them is religion. And I think that is a huge mistake, and sometimes we let our ... fussing around with the institution get in the way of what people came for, which is help in facilitating their ... access and relationship with God. On the other hand, if you go off by yourself, then it can become a kind of narcissistic enterprise, and you don't have people around you constantly testing your understanding of God. ... [T]hat's what makes me believe in the church, in the synagogue, in the mosque, because that's the community of people that can help us understand better what our perceived relationship with God is, and test it against all those many ways in which we can try to shape it out of our own personality."

Gene Robinson, retired Bishop of the Episcopal Church

23 Jul 2014, 10:16
So...a recurring theme anywhere where non-Christians congregate seems to be to equate all of Christianity (38,000+ denominations) with a) Evangelical Fundamentalists or b) diocesan Catholicism. With that in mind, I've like to introduce Pagan forum to my favorite (and hella controversial) Episcopalian, (retired) Bishop John Shelby Spong. Spong is a progressive Christian and a Christian humanist, and (in 2001) wrote a book called A New Christianity for a New World, which detailed 12 theses (in the non-scientific sense):

1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.

2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.

3. The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.

4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.

5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.

6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.

8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.

9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.

10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.

11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

Rather than reading the book, a decent (some college paper, I think) synopsis sort of fleshing each thesis out can be found here (http://www.phc.edu/UserFiles/File/_Other%20Projects/Global%20Journal/9-1/Stephanie%20Monk%20vol%209%20no%201.pdf).

B. de Corbin
23 Jul 2014, 10:37
Wow - is he still considered a Christian?

Seems like he tossed all the Christian out of the new Christianity.

23 Jul 2014, 13:34
Wow - is he still considered a Christian?

Seems like he tossed all the Christian out of the new Christianity.

Yup...he is within his own denomination...though there are quite a few critics. And, of course, even more critics on the outside, particularly within the more conservative Christian denominations.

23 Jul 2014, 21:53
Some reasons why not all Christians think that non-Christians are hell-bound... (http://www.internetchurchofchrist.org/pearl-doallnonchristiansgotohell.html)

OMGs I love this! I've been looking for this thread specifically for this post cause I lost track of it in the middle of computer changes. I'm so excited thal posted something new here so I could find this again.

24 Jul 2014, 10:42
Letter to Louise (http://godmademegay.blogspot.com/p/letter-to-louise.html), written by Bruce Lowe

16 Nov 2014, 07:02

30 Nov 2014, 19:24
Mother Teresa's version of The Paradoxical Commandments:

People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.

If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.

If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.

If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.

What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.

If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.

The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.

Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.

30 Nov 2014, 20:45
because it provides nice counterpoint to young earth creationism.

Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth."37 "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are."

source (though skimming may be required) (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a1.htm)

26 Mar 2015, 15:10
Episcopalian Church Head Disses Climate Deniers (http://grist.org/article/climate-denial-rejects-gods-gift-of-knowledge-says-church-leader/)

Plus, the Pope... (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/27/pope-francis-edict-climate-change-us-rightwing)

26 Mar 2015, 15:23
I'm totally convinced the Pope is the AntiChrist. I say this in a good way and by a good definition of such. As in Daniel Quinn's Story of B. Anywho. Thumbs up Pope.

24 Sep 2015, 05:53
More Pope...

A couple of weeks after his election, the new Pope went to the Casal del Marmo jail, a juvenile detention center on Rome’s outskirts. On Holy Thursday, Jesus’ washing of the feet of the twelve apostles is reënacted in Catholic churches all over the world. Popes typically perform the rite at St. Peter’s or at the magnificent Basilica of St. John Lateran, about four miles from the Vatican. The Pope usually bends for a token swipe at the feet of twelve selected priests. But at Casal del Marmo, Francis knelt on the cold stone floor and put his white skullcap aside. He washed, dried, and kissed the feet of twelve young inmates, some of them bearing tattoos. Two were Muslim. More pointedly, in violation of Church tradition, two of the apostolic stand-ins were women. When one of the inmates asked the Pope why he had come to them, he said, “Things from the heart don’t have an explanation.”

sauce (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/who-am-i-to-judge)

I'm gonna start a fan club---Pagans for Pope Francis

B. de Corbin
24 Sep 2015, 06:40
More Pope...

I'm gonna start a fan club---Pagans for Pope Francis

It's hard not to like this guy. His version of Christianity is so much more Christian than the hate mongering, prejudice, and intentional stupidity we tend to get from American Christians... at least in the media...