Police fire on Occupy Oakland protesters.

[LadyGarnetRose]

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One of the things today that actually made me giggle to the point I about fell off my chair. I have friends on LI who are so on the whole OWS thing, thinking it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. They are rabid about how good this is for the country and the world.

Then talking about going shopping at Walmart.

This isn't a small town, this is Long Island NY. Some of the greatest Mom and Pop shops still exist there. Yet they are going to Walmart, one of the greatest icons of what OWS is supposed to be fighting.

I haven't stepped foot in a Walmart in over 7 years because of their corporate practices.

Occupy with where you spend your money. If more people did that things would be a lot different.

[cesara]

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Amen to that.

I 3rd that...I so wish people would educate themselves instead of jumping on a bandwagon not knowing it's origin, nor it's destination.....

[Dez]

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Hipsters ruin everything.

Amen to that.

[Medusa]

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Hipsters ruin everything.

[Caelia]

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Oh I feel you. And I would care more. But I have to do that thing that puts food in my mouth and a roof over my head. I have no time to deal with this. I'll let the optimistic people do that protesting out there for me instead. But if I see another hipster out there with one of those 99% signs, I'm going to roll up my paycheck stub, stick it in a bottle of hootch and set one on fire.

Just sayin.

*if it goes tinfoil hat time, I haz plenty to pass around.

Oh, don't get me started on the hipsters! One hipster dipshit actually broke into a department store with Occupy Lawrence, stole a sign, and climbed to the top of the building to further their cause. The problem with what they did is the department store is locally owned and operated (has been for a century if I recall) and contributes a helluva lot to the community. I could understand a bit more if he did this at the "corporate corner" of that same street (we actually call it corporate corner) since they don't actually contribute much to the city but hurt them in taxes, but a local company? Not ok.

News source: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/no...ter-climbing-/

[Medusa]

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Either way it's interesting to me. I see it as a liberal version of the Tea Party anyway, mostly in the sense that both groups are very angry, disenchanted, and feel some accountability needs to happen. I also have other opinions on the that topic, but this isn't the time to pull out the tin foil hat.

Oh I feel you. And I would care more. But I have to do that thing that puts food in my mouth and a roof over my head. I have no time to deal with this. I'll let the optimistic people do that protesting out there for me instead. But if I see another hipster out there with one of those 99% signs, I'm going to roll up my paycheck stub, stick it in a bottle of hootch and set one on fire.

Just sayin.

*if it goes tinfoil hat time, I haz plenty to pass around.

[Caelia]

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Oh ok. I was reading something about Anti Semitic and tuned all the way out. I tuned out of Occupies once I saw Kanye at one of them.

Either way it's interesting to me. I see it as a liberal version of the Tea Party anyway, mostly in the sense that both groups are very angry, disenchanted, and feel some accountability needs to happen. I also have other opinions on the that topic, but this isn't the time to pull out the tin foil hat.

[Medusa]

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We could always occupy the thread?

This is what I understood:

Some people are upset about the goings-ons of Occupy Oakland. Other people are saying it's deserved (I think it wasn't just LGR), and it's led to sweeping generalizations and anecdotes on both sides. At this point I think it's just discussing in general the Occupy Together goings-ons.

Oh ok. I was reading something about Anti Semitic and tuned all the way out. I tuned out of Occupies once I saw Kanye at one of them.

[Caelia]

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Um. Can someone some up what you are all arguing about?

I tried to read through the posts.

Tried.

We could always occupy the thread?

This is what I understood:

Some people are upset about the goings-ons of Occupy Oakland. Other people are saying it's deserved (I think it wasn't just LGR), and it's led to sweeping generalizations and anecdotes on both sides. At this point I think it's just discussing in general the Occupy Together goings-ons.

[Medusa]

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Um. Can someone some up what you are all arguing about?

I tried to read through the posts.

Tried.

[AzazelEblis]

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcRlrt2ZL4

No, they shouldn't have been that close to the building. That right there is an example of law enforcement falling down on the job, and the protesters walking all over it.

Lets stop and actually look at the video for a sec. Notice how the men that are directly behind this woman are wearing suits? I doesn't help that the cops behind them are pushing these men towards the steps.

ConservARTive has taken things WAAAAY out of context. I've seen a vid there of OWS "yelling an old marxist chant", when it was really just someone addressing the body via their so-called human microphone. There was another from them which legitimately illustrates the pitfalls of concensus-based decision making, but that paints them as "traitors".

What they catch isn't "outstandingly wonderful" behavior by any means, but this person/group likes to paint everything as the end of the world.

[LadyGarnetRose]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcRlrt2ZL4

[Dez]

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I'd figured that the "Eat the rich" signs were a rather amusing play off of a certain Jonathan Swift essay...

Personally, I can't stand Michael Moore, so some of my local folks and I just have to agree to disagree on that one. But I'm much more politically moderate then some of them are.

The local rally went well this past Saturday. We got around 150 people there...not bad for an area that's mostly potato fields. I wasn't able to stay the whole time, though...it got way too cold for my kids to be outside, so we stayed as long as possible, then went home. Peaceful. Had some people flip us off, but that was the worst it got.

[AzazelEblis]

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Not only do we have Scott Olsen, but another veteran injured as well. Kayvan Sabeghi wasn't even protesting, just trying to get to his apartment when the cops beat him into the hospital. If someone has a sign that says "Kill the cops" at occupy oakland, I can understand their sentiment.

And I've got people in Oakland. From what I understand, we've got some violent "anarchists" that start violence, yet strangely have police issue boots.

The "filth" in Zucotti Park? The protesters cleaned it up to the city's satisfaction to avoid eviction on Oct 15th.

The reports of rape? The protesters heard them, so they've got separate tents for women.

You don't understand the reference to the words "Eat the Rich," which certainly keeps it from being a literal meal?

I've seen news of the first city-wide general strike in decades shut down a city while the people took to the streets, and a few asshats wrecked property when the police tried to "control" a situation for which they were completely unprepared.

I have seen Michael Moore make an arse of himself trying to jump on the bandwagon after the unions did. He has been sympathetic to the movement's viewpoint, and experienced quite a bit of what we're talking about even before OWS existed, but he is no longer part of that 99%.

[cesara]

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One of the best articles I've read so far on Occupy -- it's long, but well worth the read if you was to understand it's roots, it's current issues, and what may still arise from it.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/david-graeber-on-playing-by-the-rules-%E2%80%93-the-strange-success-of-occupy-wall-street.html