Kinds of religion for black magic

[Tylluan Penry]

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The world's a toilet. There's no need to make things worse.

And I'm defining "black magic" as "setting out to do harm to people by supernatural means", and if that's NOT what it means, then I retract the post you quoted.

For me, supernatural means are inextricably linked to physical ones. If you do something good or bad to someone magically, it has the same implications as if you did it physically. That said, it's difficult to define making things worse.

For example, we might say that theft is a bad thing. No excuse for it. Yet we might admit that taking an axe away from someone intent on cleaving another's skull, would in fact be the right thing to do. No matter that the axe man might want to hang onto his weapon (perhaps it has sentimental value too) - he has to be stopped.

Now we could argue that attacking someone with an axe is worse than theft, but suppose the axe man refuses to give up his axe and a struggle ensues. Suppose the axe man is hurt in the process, perhaps with his own axe. You see where I'm going here? Harm is a tricky thing to quantify.

I came from a family of witches who did virtually nothing other than hex. I broke away from their tradition simply because I felt that if you had that kind of power, there were better things you could do with it. But I will admit there are times when I have hexed - and made a bloody good job of it too.

Why? Because the law was powerless to act. Because if I didn't, then the perpetrator of a particularly nasty crime would have got away with it. In that particular instance, I considered Edmund Burke's maxim, 'All that is required for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.'

Nothing is black and white. Not even magic.

[Ophidia]

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As I understand it, there are some very serious ramifications for Voodoo practitioners who lay curses on people.

No, not really. In Vodou, it's more about how much you're willing to pay, and who, in order to get something done. There are other things at play, too - like if the lwa you're petitioning determines your cause to be worthwhile. That doesn't necessarily mean that your cause is just, but is it well thought-out and not just some random act of malevolence. People who ask for good things to happen without providing sufficient payment run into trouble with the lwa as much as someone who asks for something bad to happen. What usually ends up happening to those in Vodoun communities who indiscriminately curse others is real-life social justice - or they get good at it and other people start paying them to do the dirty work.

There is a branch of the African Diaspora religions that is similar to Santeria called Palo. It may have originated in the Congo of Africa. The most infamous is Palo Mayombe, made more infamous because of the Matamora cult murders in the 80s that were wrongly associated with it. The Palo branches do involve a lot of ancestor worship and calling on the dead, along with using more blood and funerary remains within the rituals, so it is assumed to be a 'dark' or 'evil' religion. But practitioners in the Palo faith are known to be powerful healers - so once again, it boils down to intent.

[Medusa]

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The world's a toilet. There's no need to make things worse.

And I'm defining "black magic" as "setting out to do harm to people by supernatural means", and if that's NOT what it means, then I retract the post you quoted.

No. That's what it means.

[Luce]

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I agree and disagree. I agree, doing harm in a world full of harm just seems overkill.
On the other hand, as a Satanist, I have known many(and I dabbled in it myself) to perform 'black magic' with due diligence.

The world's a toilet. There's no need to make things worse.

And I'm defining "black magic" as "setting out to do harm to people by supernatural means", and if that's NOT what it means, then I retract the post you quoted.

[Medusa]

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Why on Earth would you want to stain yourself like that? I don't mean to be offensive or anything here, I'm just saying that there's some kinds of stains that don't wash off. Willful harm to others is a particularly good example of that.

World's bad enough without deliberately making things worse.

I agree and disagree. I agree, doing harm in a world full of harm just seems overkill.
On the other hand, as a Satanist, I have known many(and I dabbled in it myself) to perform 'black magic' with due diligence.

[Luce]

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Hi friends Just asking, if there is any particular religions for practicing black magic?

Why on Earth would you want to stain yourself like that? I don't mean to be offensive or anything here, I'm just saying that there's some kinds of stains that don't wash off. Willful harm to others is a particularly good example of that.

World's bad enough without deliberately making things worse.

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Supposing that by "black magic" you mean spells designed to hex or otherwise manipulate or harm others, I'm not aware of any tradition that specifically focuses on hexcraft. There are traditions that allow it under certain circumstances, such as Voudou and Santeria. LaVeyan Satanists categorize spells into three subdivisions - Destruction, Charm, and Love/Lust. Destruction rituals are typically intended to "destroy" an enemy in some fashion or another, and by the standards of the Church of Satan, love and lust spells that manipulate others are acceptable.

As I understand it, there are some very serious ramifications for Voodoo practitioners who lay curses on people.

And also, though I admit I don't know much about it, the Lavey crowd aren't really into harming people, any more than anyone else is.

[PsykhikosAnarchosNautikos]

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The Temple of Set would be a religion that comes to mind that works heavily with 'black magic'. They differentiate the concepts into Lower Black Magic and Higher Black Magic- basically, Lower Black Magic is attaining worldly desires (including healing) and Higher Black Magic is communion with Set and/or the Scarlett Woman and attaining what they call Remanifestation, or Immortality of their conscious selves beyond physical death (their Great Work).

[StormBringer]

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There is no such thing as black magic, the art is what it is, it is Users who are white, black or inbetween. Any modern religion is as capable of dark actions as is any older art.

[Volniy]

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In the universe, there are laws and mechanisms that act regardless of whether you know them or not, whether you believe in them or not.
To perform miracles - you have to start working for yourself. These are serious things that have nothing to do with fairy tales about Harry Potter.
Every action has a reflection. It's one thing if you are a beginner in this business - and you did not succeed. And another thing, when you are using the ritual - have not achieved that goal, but other than that harmed themselves.
In order to practice black magic, you do not need any religion. Or are you looking for someone to worship?

[Juniper]

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I believe that because of rituals religions was created. Because only religions doing some rituals for the spirits.So im thinking that there will be a common religions making black magic. Becuase making a black magic are also following rituals.You know what i mean.Thts why im thinking for a religions.But thanks anyway.

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What about wiccans.Wiccans are know as modern pagan and witchcraftreligion.

I might suggest two things:
A) consider what you're liking. Often times, wiki pages aren't the most resourceful or accurate places to gain knowledge
B) neither of those pages mention anything about black magick. I'd recommend reading the links before you post the.

On that note, please consider our forum rules (particularly the bit about spamming) before blatantly tossing out links left and right, now that you have managed 15 posts.

[Wizards]

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I believe that because of rituals religions was created. Because only religions doing some rituals for the spirits.So im thinking that there will be a common religions making black magic. Becuase making a black magic are also following rituals.You know what i mean.Thts why im thinking for a religions.But thanks anyway.

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What about wiccans.Wiccans are know as modern pagan and witchcraftreligion.

[Tylluan Penry]

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Well, as the OP is described as a Catholic, then you must know that the black mass was originally an inversion of the catholic mass. So Catholicism would be a good starting point for certain types of 'black magic.' Of course you have to find a defrocked priest and a willing nun for the best effect....

[Torey]

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I agree with what has already been stated - there really is no specific religion which is based wholly upon the "practice of black magick". Again, as was said, many religions - especially those of the Left Hand Path - allow, condone or encourage Maleficium. My path is Theistic Satanism - there is no ethical code within my tradition, but it condones the use of "black magick". There are other traditions which could be said to be more akin to a "religion based on wickedness" (again, "wicked" is a subjective term) than others - some would suggest that the Order of Nine Angles was one such tradition.

Religions devoid of a moral/ethical code such as the Wiccan Rede will be more likely to condone the use of black magick - even then, I'm sure there are even some Neo-Wiccans who practice such as the Rede is open to interpretation.

[SisterSojourn]

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I don't understand why one would say, "...religion for black magic..." as if black magic and religion must go together. You can practice black magic and not be affiliated with a religion.

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I just wanted to clarify the comment. I personally am neutral about the practice of magic when it comes to other people. I feel it is their choice entirely, whether they choose to practice and what type.

[Corvus]

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There are plenty of deities invoked to make curses, worship of these deities may constitute as a black magic religion but as others have said it boils down to personal choice usually to use magic negatively