Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives matter

[Juniper]

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[DragonsFriend]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

I know about slavery in America. There were white, yellow, red headed, and black slaves and there were white and black slave owners. There are still white, yellow and black slaves in some parts of the world. When people are born and educated in the USA there is no reason for them to blame someone else for who they are today.
For me it all comes back to personal responsibility. The individual is the only one who can bring change to their own life. You can either make it better or worse, or you can wallow in it and blame others for who you are. I don't have the desire or the means with which to feel sorry for people who don't try to make their own lives better. There are successes of every color and ethnicity and there are those who would rather live in other ways. I have spent my life trying to be the best person I can be. I made mistakes too but I took the responsibility for them and corrected them where I could. I got an education that I paid for myself. It wasn't easy but then it was worth it in the end.

[Medusa]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

The only lives that matter are the ones you think matter and no other. So when you take the 'you' and divide it by the population. Then add in someone's biases toward sex, race, religion,location,etc....you get no lives matter except the ones I think matter. Let's be real clear on that. Every person has their own definition of all. And if I pressed really hard...I could find the life that doesn't really matter to you.

I just wanted to add an opinion from the 'I don't really care about 'all the lives' group'.

[thalassa]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

If "black lives" truly mattered then the people who "believe" that should be working in the south side of Chicago where the black on black death rate is the highest in the nation.

I worked in predominantly black communities around St. Louis as an AmeriCorps volunteer before I joined the Navy.

The tag line, "black lives matter" is only used in the events that a non black takes the life of a black. It is never invoked when blacks kill other blacks.

cough*red herring*cough

Black Lives Matter is divisive. It should be divisive. These people have been getting fucked for centuries. It's time for their voices to have power. The more they make old white people uncomfortable the better.

Holly-the-effin-loo-ya.

[ThePaganMafia]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

Maybe, just maybe, if blacks weren't disproportionately affected by poverty, the drug war, a skewed justice system, an apathetic society, police brutality, and hundreds of years of slavery violence in the ghetto or the ghetto as we know it wouldn't be a thing.

Black Lives Matter is divisive. It should be divisive. These people have been getting fucked for centuries. It's time for their voices to have power. The more they make old white people uncomfortable the better.

[DragonsFriend]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

I believe that life is sacred. There is no race, color, creed or anything else attached to that belief. All life does matter yet I hunt and kill for my food. I grow vegetables and fruit and ripp them from the tree to consume. I do take the time to show my respect for the life that is given to sustain me just as I take the time to respect all life. When it comes to humans I tend to love unconditionally. That means that I love each person enough to help where I am able and also enough to allow them to accept the fruit of their labor.

I know the world is less than the perfection that I would like it to be but there are things that tend to maintain the divisiveness in the world. Quoting numbers and statistics about how likely is to be arrested or shot by police is at best misleading. Police, at least those I know, don't target a particular race to arrest. If "black lives" truly mattered then the people who "believe" that should be working in the south side of Chicago where the black on black death rate is the highest in the nation. It is so common that the media ignores it. The tag line, "black lives matter" is only used in the events that a non black takes the life of a black. It is never invoked when blacks kill other blacks. It is therefore just used to feed the hatred of one group for another group. A tool used to create and maintain divisiveness.

[anunitu]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

Here is a link to the story about the Riff-Raff guy

A quote:
Justin Keller, a self-described wealthy tech company founder and entrepreneur living in San Francisco for the past three years, has had enough of the homeless roaming his city. He published an open letter to Mayor Ed Lee and Police Chief Greg Suhr on Feb. 15, decrying the "riffraff" walking his streets and bemoaning a commute that forces him to see the "despair of homeless people to and from my way to work every day."

[thalassa]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

It should be a fact that all lives matter,that includes poor people of any race who have not enough to eat(adult and children)..and the homeless should not their lives also matter?

Race and homelessness.

Race and homelessness among veterans.

[anunitu]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

It should be a fact that all lives matter,that includes poor people of any race who have not enough to eat(adult and children)..and the homeless should not their lives also matter?
Mainly,in what the Christians call the final judgment,a LOT of people will have a LOT to explain about why those lives did not matter to them.(Guy in SF said he wants the riff-raff(homeless) off the streets because their presence offends his rich butt.

[thalassa]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

That phrase is used to separate people to keep them busy so they miss the real evil being done.

No, it's not.

Don't claim to respect equality or individual achievements when you can't even acknowledge that there's a problem. The real "evil" being done is people that can't wrap their heads around the idea that black lives (finally) mattering doesn't negate the fact that white lives have always mattered. Complaining when another group finally asks for the same rights that you already enjoy, implicitly or explicitly, civil or societal, is the real "evil" in this conversation.

That phrase is used because the status quo--that "all lives" (should) matter means, in reality, that black lives don't (and to a lesser extent, the lives of most other minorities). Yes, it should rankle--the very fact that you think "oh, how dare they think their own lives should matter" should be a clue to your own bias.

They've been living in a world where "all lives matter" for decades and the reality of "all lives" is that black men have a higher chance of being shot by police; black people are more likely to be arrested for dealing drugs even though white people are more likely to be dealing them AND even though whites and blacks use drugs at the same rate, white people are less likely to get arrested or go to jail, black people are more likely to be arrested period, black drivers get pulled over simply for driving while being black; NYC's stop and frisk is blatantly racist (and the idea that it "is working" is highly debatable when crime is declining anyhow); are offered plea deals with prison sentances more often than whites, have cases dismissed more often than whites (due to lack of evidence), are less likely to recieve reduced charges, and are more likely to be jailed before trial (because bail is generally higher for black defendants than white defendands accused of the same crime, though a jacked up system all together); are extremely underrepresented as elected prosecutors; more likely to recieve the death penalty; black children with the same level of reported pain for the same condition get prescribed pain medication less than white children; women and blacks (and especially black women) are less likely to offered cardiac catheterization; black patients recieve worse care than their white counterparts in general (because racial bias makes us ignore pain), and this follows on with preventive care; black children are more likely to be suspended or expelled from schools--even preschoolers and race plays a huge role in how teachers judge misbehavior and they have less access to advanced coursework being offered in their schools; potential black jurors are twice as likely to be removed from being a potential jury member; people (not just cops) are more likely to shoot quicker at a black person "target" than a white one; black children are more likely to be tried as adults; 'white' names are morely likely to get an interview for identical qualifications over a 'black' name (politicians are similarly less likely to respond to constitiuents with "black" names); black people are charged more when buying a car; prospective black home buyers are shown less home, even when adjusted for income, etc (which is a main component of the racial wealth gap); black families are less likely to move up the socioeconomic ladder than their parents in comparison to white families; its harder for black people to get campaign funding to run for office; black parents are less likely to work standard hours, which affect their children and their children's education; black employees recieve harder scruitny than white employees; white people riot too, but black people get the short end of the stick in their portrayl by the media and their treatment by police; white people have less black friends than black people have white friends; whitewashing in film (try "every single workd spoken by a person of color" on youtube--Noah was particularly telling); white men with a record are more likely to be offered a job than black men without one...

I could go on, but its really effing depressing.




Racism is often it is unconscious on an individual level. But on an insititutional level, it is a serious miscarriage of the justice we claim, as Americans, to believe in. Generations of slavery and discrimination have created an economic underclass that is mostly composed of minorities and has burdened them with conditions that would be difficult enough to get out of if it were just a matter of poverty. This country's default is white, male entitilement. If one can't examine their own bias and work to change it, then they are part of the makers of that travesty.

[ThePaganMafia]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

Please tell us more about being black as I'm sure you are an expert.

Also, isn't it funny how white people suddenly care about racism when some black guys do something or one of their precious veterans(as the clickbait title makes sure to tell us)?

[DragonsFriend]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

All people die. Some violently, some alone, some peacefully. Black lives are no different than any other life. That phrase is used to separate people to keep them busy so they miss the real evil being done.

[ThePaganMafia]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

Liberals are equally guilty of this.

Every side is guilty of everything but in the case of BLM people are actually dieing.

[thalassa]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

The right wingers use it to smear a movement because it's either to smear an entire movement with one bad act than acknowledge the problem that caused the movement to begin with.

Liberals are equally guilty of this.

[ThePaganMafia]

Re: Marine Bronze Star recipient attacked by kids saying If He thought black lives ma

It doesn't affect my view of the Black Lives Matter movement. Some dudes uttering a phrase during a bad deed do not represent a movement. The right wingers use it to smear a movement because it's either to smear an entire movement with one bad act than acknowledge the problem that caused the movement to begin with.