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    #61
    Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

    Meg Meg Meg Meg Meg

    As in Megara, princess of Thebes


    Also, most snarky and bad-assed, semi-villian-turned-good female protagonist in the *only* Disney princess film where the "princess" is a boy (hello, Hercules) and the girl takes the secondary, traditionally male Disney role. Seriously, the amount of subversion in Hercules is seriously overlooked. Meg isn't "untainted goods" (hence why she owes Hades), Phil is well...a FREAKING SATYR...
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      #62
      Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

      Originally posted by volcaniclastic View Post
      I was under the impression it had something to do with sin and the Bible.
      Really!? I never heard of that, but I don't doubt it.
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        #63
        Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

        Black mermaid? Somebody decided to make a crap sammich, and everybody wants to take a bite. Why?

        White people's problems. Get a life - there's actual, real bad shist going on you could be getting all hot & bothered about.
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          #64
          Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

          Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
          there's actual, real bad shist going on you could be getting all hot & bothered about.
          Sure, but that isn't what's being discussed here.

          Every discussion has its place and that's what forums in general are for. Pointing out the banality of the subject compared to other things (which I personally agree with you) doesn't add anything to the discussion and could potentially undermine the efforts put towards the argumentation of the members actually participating in it.

          My 2 cents: I think it's more about changing the "ethnicity" (in quotation marks, since merfolk don't necessarily have ethnicity) of an already established character. To add to that, Ariel does become human at some point, meaning she does have an established human ethnicity. Without going into the details and the folkloric context of merfolk, just the fact that the character: 1. Is established in popular culture; 2. Has a Disney canonical ethnicity; 3. Is rather Eurocentric as, according to the original film, Atlantica is near Norway; means there is clear room for controversy regarding her ethnicity.

          Personally I'm not a fan of Disney, and I couldn't care less what they do with their characters, but the fact that there's controversy doesn't surprise me at all.

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            #65
            Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

            Originally posted by Sean R. R. View Post
            Sure, but that isn't what's being discussed here.

            Every discussion has its place and that's what forums in general are for. Pointing out the banality of the subject compared to other things (which I personally agree with you) doesn't add anything to the discussion and could potentially undermine the efforts put towards the argumentation of the members actually participating in it.
            Sorry!

            It seems I've damaged the integrity of this forum by stating the opinion that a debte over the color of a fantasy character is a tempest in a teapot, minus the tempest and without the teapot.

            I'll try to keep my radical opinions under control.
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              #66
              Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

              Originally posted by Sean R. R. View Post

              My 2 cents: I think it's more about changing the "ethnicity" (in quotation marks, since merfolk don't necessarily have ethnicity) of an already established character. To add to that, Ariel does become human at some point, meaning she does have an established human ethnicity.
              Only in the absolute loosest possible sense. Ethnicity is more than just race. Being transformed into a pale redhead does not actually establish a cultural, linguistic or historic tie. It just means that you've been turned into a pale redhead. Now if the Little Mermaid was an origin myth explaining the existence of red hair in Europe and claiming that all redheads link back to this mermaid who became human then sure I'll buy this argument. Sure, she still isn't personally of the ethnic group in question except via marriage but her exact features would now be relevant in a wider context. I'm pretty sure that we aren't dealing with an origin myth here though and for a tale of love bridging massive divides, Ariel being a pale redhead is effectively redundant.


              Now changing her appearance from Disney canon, sure that will annoy people. It's on the movie to sell this as a workable change. It might, it might not. I could attempt to muster up concern but I'm a Star Wars fan of over 20 years. Disney expunged the EU with a wealth of fun characters and a galaxy where you could actually see the accomplishments of the Rebel Alliance and...
              Gave me Last Jedi.

              If people don't find something more compelling to ***** about than Ariel not being a pale redhead then I'm not going to exert myself finding excuses to care. Disney has a wealth of ways to screw with old canon in any of its properties and this is far lighter than what they did to SW.
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                #67
                Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
                Sorry!

                It seems I've damaged the integrity of this forum by stating the opinion that a debte over the color of a fantasy character is a tempest in a teapot, minus the tempest and without the teapot.

                I'll try to keep my radical opinions under control.
                Nah, the teapot is in Beauty and the Beast! Different story altogether!
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                  #68
                  Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                  are there already any concept art, pictures or teaser trailers for this? I'd love to see them. I probably won't have any opinion either way since I don't give any farts in space about any of the live action remakes, but I think a black skinned red haired Ariel would be super adorable, if not stunning.

                  Side question. Why do they give merfolk hair? They're under water. Wouldn't hair get in the way, and slow them down? Unless maybe it's just like otter or beaver fur???
                  Just saying. Even Olympic swimmers have been known to shave most of their bodies and wear caps.
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