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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Strangely, about half or more of the Christians who join PF aren't looking to get shredded or wage campaigns of conversion against Pagans. Are Atheists particularly special that they get targeted above and beyond other non-believers.

    EDIT: and before it comes up, that ratio includes the preachy ones that the staff bans
    Honestly, I dunno. I've never been on an atheist forum... I don't know what I'd talk about there:

    "I don't believe in God."
    "Neither do I."
    "OK, now what?"
    "So... What do ya think about those Mets?"

    But here, I can talk about things that interest me, because even an atheist can be "spiritual." Just ask the other atheist pagans here...

    I suspect that an atheist forum would attract Christian-haters in the same way that some pagan sites do. Mebbe that's the problem?
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Strangely, about half or more of the Christians who join PF aren't looking to get shredded or wage campaigns of conversion against Pagans. Are Atheists particularly special that they get targeted above and beyond other non-believers.

    EDIT: and before it comes up, that ratio includes the preachy ones that the staff bans
    I don't mind atheists being atheists, but why do mostly atheists end up causing trouble in PF? Atheists, or super sensitive people.
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Not so much Pagans or atheist,but just trolls that say they are one or the other I think(The troll part is mainly the problem)
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Gleb View Post
    I don't mind atheists being atheists, but why do mostly atheists end up causing trouble in PF? Atheists, or super sensitive people.
    Atheists don't actually cause the most trouble. The largest problem demographic on PF (not counting spammers) is idiots. Atheistic and religious alike happen to be part of that demographic. The active portion of it varies with the time of year and I really don't want a theist vs atheist fight at the moment. I will infract all sides if one starts.
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Gleb View Post
    I don't mind atheists being atheists, but why do mostly atheists end up causing trouble in PF? Atheists, or super sensitive people.
    Careful there, Gleb. We gottses atheists in management...

    Oops... Sorry, MO.
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Don't Christians go specifically to atheist forums for the purpose of becoming martyrs by being torn apart?
    Speaking from personal experience, I would be inclined to doubt it, not that they don't expect it if they have any sense. I think they go mostly out of ego. More often than not I go into those forums to mock and taunt them. I've been doing it for nearly 20 years, since 1996, though it didn't start like that. In the beginning I was terribly naive in thinking that if they only heard what I know they would come to their senses. Then, after being viciously attacked I began to get a kick out of returning those attacks. Gradually I matured beyond that and then I just got bored. Now I don't do it so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Or is it that they expect to bring the word of a non-existent god to the ignorant?
    As I said, in the beginning, perhaps. But, the Christians tend to be ever so slightly more ignorant than the atheists and I can't stand to debate and discuss with them. In the early days, when those sorts of forums (religious debate, i.e., Atheist vs. Theist) were far more popular you couldn't just google or wiki any real substantial answer. Until the atheist figured that out it was far too easy to refute them. Now days they just Google or Wiki an answer they barely pay attention to and they mock and taunt. I don't think they are any less ignorant than they used to be, they've just learned how to cope with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    In either case, it's hard to feel sorry for someone who goes into the lions's den to commit suicide, or in the belief that a carnivore can be convinced to turn vegan.
    I don't think they were there for pity or conversion. And I don't think there are many of them, or from my perspective, us left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Strangely, about half or more of the Christians who join PF aren't looking to get shredded or wage campaigns of conversion against Pagans. Are Atheists particularly special that they get targeted above and beyond other non-believers.

    EDIT: and before it comes up, that ratio includes the preachy ones that the staff bans
    I have to say I honestly haven't encountered many pagans in atheist forums, or anywhere else. The atheists I've had discussions with see pagan belief as being pretty much the same as Christian. The atheists have a very low tolerance for anyone open to the supernatural and / or mythological. The only advantage a pagan would have over a Christian in their (the atheists) mind would be that the pagan doesn't have the political and social influence as a majority.

    I myself wouldn't see the Pagan in a similar light as an atheist, more likely to myself.

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    Re: We are the root of all evil

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    The largest problem demographic on PF (not counting spammers) is idiots.
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Careful there, Gleb. We gottses atheists in management...

    Oops... Sorry, MO.
    Your post went up literal seconds after mine. I am a malevolent bastard of a tyrant but I'm not gonna get cranky over it. Reason has some over my temper.
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    Re: We are the root of all evil

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    Your post went up literal seconds after mine. I am a malevolent bastard of a tyrant but I'm not gonna get cranky over it. Reason has some over my temper.
    I've always secretly suspected that, but my concept of good manners required an apology anyway...

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    Re: We are the root of all evil

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post

    But here, I can talk about things that interest me, because even an atheist can be "spiritual." Just ask the other atheist pagans here...

    I think this is probably why we have a good number of atheists...and not many (any?) Atheists.


    Here @ PF we all have this idea down pretty well:

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    Sure, we can get passionate in discussing what we believe or how we (mis)interpreted what someone meant from what they said, and sometimes that gets fractious...but at the end of the day, people that join that can't "acknowledge their irreducible unknowingness" (despite their personal belief or disbelief) don't tend to last long.
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