What is your creation story?

[Briton]

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Its not about divine revelation, its about creativity in extended metaphors!

... Eh? :$

[Wonder]

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I personally believe that God, or the "Supreme Divine" made the Big Bang and after that everything just took off on it's own. Stars, planets, life, etc.

The Big Bang most likely isn't the beginning of the entire Cosmos. But it is indeed the beginning of our ''pocket Universe''.

I do think the Big Bang was a natural event. It is God's body that is growing and expanding.

So here's my creation story:

''According to Hartshorne, panentheism can best be understood through an analogy: just as a single organism exists both as a collection of semiautonomous, individual cells and as an autonomous individual who is more than jut a collection of cells, God can be seen as both a collection of all the constituent parts of reality and as "something more" than the universe itself. Although we, along with the rest of existence, can be thought of as part of God's "body," God's mind or consciousness extends beyond that body and causes God to be more than just a collection of parts.''

Source: http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQ...eism_panen.htm

[LunarHarvest]

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Ultimately, regardless of whatever we come up with (religious, scientific, or otherwise) we cannot know the exact nature or origin of the universe, and so it is, in my opinion, something which I don't really concern myself with. If I come close to believing in any form of 'creation', it presents itself as a part of an infinite cycle, but I don't really believe anything in a dogmatic sense, nor does it really play an active role in my spiritual practice.

[Sean R. R.]

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There is (I think) some theories that say that the Big Bang that created our universe has not been the only Big Bang that ever happened. Indeed some scientists claim that before our Big Bang, there was an universe that, because of it's own gravity and vacuum due to it's constant expansion, got crushed under it's own monstrous gravitational field (what they call the Big Crunch or something like that). I believe some of my Gods to be older than our Big Bang.

[Lydia]

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I noticed that multiple people mentioned the big bang.
FYI: Big bangism is a big academic fraud, which rests upon three major false assumptions (regarding the characteristics of Einstein's universe model, the cause of the red shift, and the cause of the microwave background radiation) and a major fudge factor (inflation). The purpose of big bangism is to make astrophysics compatible with judeo-christian religion, and in fact big bangism was spearheaded by a catholic priest (Georges LeMaitre) and a devout quaker (Arthur Eddington). You can learn more by googling the phrase "cosmology statement", which leads to an informative petition. There are many astrophysicists and others who are justifiably very annoyed by the big bang fraud, who have signed that petition.

[thalassa]

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I noticed that multiple people mentioned the big bang.
FYI: Big bangism is a big academic fraud, which rests upon three major false assumptions (regarding the characteristics of Einstein's universe model, the cause of the red shift, and the cause of the microwave background radiation) and a major fudge factor (inflation). The purpose of big bangism is to make astrophysics compatible with judeo-christian religion, and in fact big bangism was spearheaded by a catholic priest (Georges LeMaitre) and a devout quaker (Arthur Eddington). You can learn more by googling the phrase "cosmology statement", which leads to an informative petition. There are many astrophysicists and others who are justifiably very annoyed by the big bang fraud, who have signed that petition.

I'd like peer-reviewed articles evidencing this please.

[B. de Corbin]

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Everybody loves a good conspiracy theory...

Fight The Man, my hippy bros & sistas!

[Jembru]

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*Finds a spot around the camp fire, pops open a lukewarm can of beer and leans in to listen to the conspiracy stories.*

The big bang theory whoed the what now? I did indeed look into and it was an open letter published in the New Scientist. I don't see it as in any way indicating that the big bang theory is definitely wrong, but rather suggesting that it is simply one theory and we shouldn't be ruling out other theories that may explain it better without the need of theoretical phenomena such as dark matter;

Allocating funding to investigations into the big bang's validity, and its alternatives, would allow the scientific process to determine our most accurate model of the history of the universe.

I agree with the sentiment. We shouldn't take something as absolute truth when there are so many holes that can only be patched up with theoretical (astro) physics. That doesn't mean I'm ready to jump on the band-wagon and start spouting that the big bang theory is rubbish though (the sitcom however... but that's just my opinion).

I think the evidence for the big bang it is pretty compelling, Prof. Brian Cox more or less has me sold on it, but I'm willing to keep an open mind if someone would put forward a credible counter-theory that can be backed up with anything even distantly resembling science (and trust me, I'm easily pleased with a magnet and a bowl of cornflakes). Until then, I shall keep my mind slightly ajar.

[thalassa]

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I agree with the sentiment. We shouldn't take something as absolute truth when there are so many holes that can only be patched up with theoretical (astro) physics. That doesn't mean I'm ready to jump on the band-wagon and start spouting that the big bang theory is rubbish though (the sitcom however... but that's just my opinion).

I think the evidence for the big bang it is pretty compelling, Prof. Brian Cox more or less has me sold on it, but I'm willing to keep an open mind if someone would put forward a credible counter-theory that can be backed up with anything even distantly resembling science (and trust me, I'm easily pleased with a magnet and a bowl of cornflakes). Until then, I shall keep my mind slightly ajar.

Actually, this has been going on for the past several decades. The BB thry was pretty contentious for quite a while.

[anunitu]

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Everybody loves a good conspiracy theory...

Fight The Man, my hippy bros & sistas!

I am with this guy,cause he makes sense,but more than that he has some really good smoke....

[B. de Corbin]

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There are competing theories, it is probobly true that more resources are spent on the most popular and that others need better funding (ain't this always true? Look at the Dino-Revolution, for example), but to attribute this to a "Judeo-Christian" scam is going overboard.

It's more (IMHO) about the allocation of resources and the mistaken belief that research in "pure science" is non-profitable.

[anunitu]

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And this explains everything "I think,therefore I am" or "I am that I am"

[thalassa]

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but to attribute this to a "Judeo-Christian" scam is going overboard.

Particularly when there are a great many Judeo-Christian groups that take great issue with it.

[MaskedOne]

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Particularly when there are a great many Judeo-Christian groups that take great issue with it.

Well yeah but a lot of them don't acknowledge Catholics as Christian either so it's not like a Catholic conspiracy will see any need to involve them. If ya know, anyone could provide evidence that Catholic scientist = fraud. Though if we want to play the game of "science proposed or supported by Catholic priests is automatically suspect" then I'm gonna have all kinds of fun when I get on a computer and pull up the list of cleric/scientists.

[Lydia]

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Big bangism ... rests upon three major false assumptions ... and a major fudge factor (inflation).

Make that two major fudge factors. I forgot about 'dark energy'.

I think the evidence for the big bang it is pretty compelling, Prof. Brian Cox more or less has me sold on it, but I'm willing to keep an open mind if someone would put forward a credible counter-theory that can be backed up with anything even distantly resembling science (and trust me, I'm easily pleased with a magnet and a bowl of cornflakes). Until then, I shall keep my mind slightly ajar.

Brian Cox. I know of him. He's the guy who said "it's naive to say that there's no god". Of course, he's not talking about pagan gods, but the all-powerful abrahamic creator god. That is his underlying motive, like LeMaitre and Eddington before him.

The general alternative to a big bang is that the universe is infinite in size and duration, and is neither expanding nor contracting. An infinite universe model must explain three things: the cause of the red shift, the cause of the background microwave radiation, and a way of re-creating hydrogen. In the big bang model, all of the hydrogen is created out of the primordial photon burst (from proton/anti-proton pairs), and gets gradually burned up by stars over billions of years. But in an infinite universe model, there must be a way that large amounts of new hydrogen is created.

I will explain those three things now:

Photons lose energy (and thus frequency) not only due to the doppler shift (as in the big bang model), but also due to the surrounding gravitating matter (which they impart energy to) and the transparent gases, electrons, and protons that they pass through (which they impart energy to). Those transparent particles accumulate energy from those stellar photons that pass through them, as well as from gamma rays and x-rays that are emitted from other cosmic sources, and they gradually shed that energy as microwave radiation, hence the background microwave radiation.

New hydrogen can be created by gamma rays- photons that have enough energy to spawn proton/anti-proton pairs. The anti-protons gradually decay into electrons, and combine with the protons to form hydrogen. There are in fact plenty of gamma rays that are created in the universe- by gamma ray bursts, 'soft gamma repeaters', and sources of steady gamma ray emission. All of such gamma rays are created by black holes (some of them being the super-massive black holes of active galactic nuclei), and neutron stars that contain a singularity at their core. Such objects have enough gravity and pressure to convert some of their matter into pure energy, in the form of gamma rays.