Without going too deep into my own experiences, I started having some very powerful connections to spiritual forces. I always remain willing to see this experiences as purely my own psyche but I have progressed to giving very serious consideration of the possibility this is NOT just with my psyche and it makes a huge deal with how I would conduct myself when experiencing them. I.e. if it's just me then I can be silly or basically engage however I like without any fear of offending because I am not easily offended and I'm naturally playful and horny amongst myself-- if I am actually experiencing other beings then this would be rude to harmful/dangerous i.e. actually inviting some shit I am so not interested in inviting.
I began experiencing these things far before I knew anything about paganism- I had a hindu influence in that I was practicing deep meditation, and from a buddhist perspective I found myself growing deeply agitated with the entire concept of nothingness as the most profound state of being. I felt like, that sounds like some bullshit that should be challenged, like some neurosis turned into a "sacred teaching" that I am powerfully opposed to. I felt within me the things I believe in,the powerful love I have for existence-- for living beings, loving dancing, singing, connecting, sharing gifts. I dislike when spiritual teachings come from this ascetic anti-sex, anti-arts, restrictive controlling place that seems to almost value annihilating the species-- like the most profound state of being is when all beings stop having sex and we all just disappear. Not only that but even the spiritual forms of existence are supposed to go into "nothingness" as a state of profound being. Like it sounds like the Lich infiltrated a beautiful life affirming religion and turned it in opposition of itself and sent all the kind loving beings on a kind loving path of annihilating all existence.
I felt this expansive part of myself rising up against this believing, THERE MUST be forces that oppose this.... not unenlightened forces as buddhism (that I was encountering, there are many forms of variants to please understand I respect not all believe in these teachings on nothingness as the goal of all existence) degradingly teaches-- not forces that are to undeveloped to understand the profound greatness of everything not existing- but powerful and righteous forces.
I found myself in a battle with destructive forces-- this can be viewed a conversation within myself although I largely find myself identifying with that which affirms life, protection of life and existence, and opposes the teachings and beings that seek to destroy it- that where discussing with me not necessarily a goal of annihilating all existence but the humans and earth realm specifically-- a place that has been infested with violence, rape, and abuse of it's being since the early beginnings. There are other realms that in no way celebrate or deliberately reinforce the torture of beings and their suffering offered up in silver platters for the rest to delight in. The humans, given any opportunity to delight in the taste of vulnerable prey take any excuse-- good beings have come here and tried to work with humans, to teach compassion, to teach the means to build vibrant healthy communities where all can flourish, and humans take the resources and skills offered and turn towards exploitation and selfish pleasure. They do not have the self control to manage power, and powers they were once given have been diminished due to their own deeds.
The good spirits who spend to long in earth realm themselves get altered by the screams of suffering and the desperation to escape. You eat the food here and the screams of those who suffered and died for you live within you. They change you. The humans are incapable of understanding or caring about the welfare of beings beyond themselves- the have shut themselves off to the living nature of existence.
However I argue, the jainists have been among us-- we do not have written teachings from ancient european times- there may have been times there where peace toward living beings was practiced. Kindness to plants and animals and affirmations of their lives-- I doubt that there has never been a vegetarian among our northern european ancestors. Among the greeks we know there were pythagoreans and I imagine crops and movements of vegetarian/peace/equality/andcompassion oriented peoples came and went.
But in earth realm the tyranny of the strong and cruel has often prevailed. After all between those who are willing to kill and those not, who will be left remaining? The nature of this reality favors the worst beings and sets them in the chairs of rulers above all others and it is sad the degree to which humans are incapable of challenging this ideology- so long as they benefit, they celebrate it. They are incapable of developing knowledge of compassionate ethics on their own. Humanity has earned the disdain of many compassionate kind beings who have suffered unbearable difficulties to help to see their work destroyed so easily by humans who leap at the opportunity to rape, pillage, abuse,enslave, exploit, demean, and mistreat anyone or anything they can label as inferior to themselves. When offered the spiritual resources of divine compassion, they turn and choose dark forces that offer opportunities to torture and harm others that compassionate beings will forbid.
All this was presented to me, however I will argue, what then of the innocents fed to the beasts when earth realm is left alone? They have not earned their suffering, so how can compassionate beings turn their backs and permit it? Either pull them out of earth realm, or put protections in place for them. And to annihilate the innocent among the wretched, this is not the work of compassion.
But, they say, to undo the level of harm built into the fabric of earth realm to protect the innocent, this is complicated work-- what's more forces in earth realm take the innocent and feed them them the suffering of others. That they do not fight this becomes their own error. The weight of what they are built on hangs on them, and they choose to be blind to it to avoid themselves suffering- at the expense of those on whom they feed.
The humans are not capable of understanding the divine. Attempts have been made, but they go mad, or they meet with harmful spirits and are incapable or unwilling to challenging harmful teachings given to them and cling to teachings that allow them to beharmful to others rather than growing their capacity to do right by `
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WOW LOL!! I realized that was turning into a freestyle journal entry type thing and didn't mean to hit send... my computer kind of went nuts and I thought the whole thing was deleted but apparently it got posted here, without me editing it or just filing it away under "my random freestyle weird spiritual thoughts"
So uh... take that for what it is... :P Now we know what kind of weirdo I am in the recesses of my weird mind? LOL
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SOOOO TLDR;
My question, to make the original one I intended to write before I fell down the rabbit hole of my own ramblings-- is are there others here who experience UPG (unconfirmed personal gnosis) or in other ways feel like meditative activities designed to connect with the divine actual seem to become more than just internal and into actual connections with the divine?
What about spirits (fairies, elves, land spirits) are there others who feel like...attempts to connect actually generate powerful connections? If anyone is willing to share, how do you navigate those waters of remaining skeptic but willing to give the possibility a chance that it's more than just within ones self? At first I thought I was basically just having fun within myself "Oh a rainbow it means magic sky love is there!" and then for me, things began to be a lot more than that. Anyways I will stop there since I am the sort that could turn everything in a 2,000 page book.
I began experiencing these things far before I knew anything about paganism- I had a hindu influence in that I was practicing deep meditation, and from a buddhist perspective I found myself growing deeply agitated with the entire concept of nothingness as the most profound state of being. I felt like, that sounds like some bullshit that should be challenged, like some neurosis turned into a "sacred teaching" that I am powerfully opposed to. I felt within me the things I believe in,the powerful love I have for existence-- for living beings, loving dancing, singing, connecting, sharing gifts. I dislike when spiritual teachings come from this ascetic anti-sex, anti-arts, restrictive controlling place that seems to almost value annihilating the species-- like the most profound state of being is when all beings stop having sex and we all just disappear. Not only that but even the spiritual forms of existence are supposed to go into "nothingness" as a state of profound being. Like it sounds like the Lich infiltrated a beautiful life affirming religion and turned it in opposition of itself and sent all the kind loving beings on a kind loving path of annihilating all existence.
I felt this expansive part of myself rising up against this believing, THERE MUST be forces that oppose this.... not unenlightened forces as buddhism (that I was encountering, there are many forms of variants to please understand I respect not all believe in these teachings on nothingness as the goal of all existence) degradingly teaches-- not forces that are to undeveloped to understand the profound greatness of everything not existing- but powerful and righteous forces.
I found myself in a battle with destructive forces-- this can be viewed a conversation within myself although I largely find myself identifying with that which affirms life, protection of life and existence, and opposes the teachings and beings that seek to destroy it- that where discussing with me not necessarily a goal of annihilating all existence but the humans and earth realm specifically-- a place that has been infested with violence, rape, and abuse of it's being since the early beginnings. There are other realms that in no way celebrate or deliberately reinforce the torture of beings and their suffering offered up in silver platters for the rest to delight in. The humans, given any opportunity to delight in the taste of vulnerable prey take any excuse-- good beings have come here and tried to work with humans, to teach compassion, to teach the means to build vibrant healthy communities where all can flourish, and humans take the resources and skills offered and turn towards exploitation and selfish pleasure. They do not have the self control to manage power, and powers they were once given have been diminished due to their own deeds.
The good spirits who spend to long in earth realm themselves get altered by the screams of suffering and the desperation to escape. You eat the food here and the screams of those who suffered and died for you live within you. They change you. The humans are incapable of understanding or caring about the welfare of beings beyond themselves- the have shut themselves off to the living nature of existence.
However I argue, the jainists have been among us-- we do not have written teachings from ancient european times- there may have been times there where peace toward living beings was practiced. Kindness to plants and animals and affirmations of their lives-- I doubt that there has never been a vegetarian among our northern european ancestors. Among the greeks we know there were pythagoreans and I imagine crops and movements of vegetarian/peace/equality/andcompassion oriented peoples came and went.
But in earth realm the tyranny of the strong and cruel has often prevailed. After all between those who are willing to kill and those not, who will be left remaining? The nature of this reality favors the worst beings and sets them in the chairs of rulers above all others and it is sad the degree to which humans are incapable of challenging this ideology- so long as they benefit, they celebrate it. They are incapable of developing knowledge of compassionate ethics on their own. Humanity has earned the disdain of many compassionate kind beings who have suffered unbearable difficulties to help to see their work destroyed so easily by humans who leap at the opportunity to rape, pillage, abuse,enslave, exploit, demean, and mistreat anyone or anything they can label as inferior to themselves. When offered the spiritual resources of divine compassion, they turn and choose dark forces that offer opportunities to torture and harm others that compassionate beings will forbid.
All this was presented to me, however I will argue, what then of the innocents fed to the beasts when earth realm is left alone? They have not earned their suffering, so how can compassionate beings turn their backs and permit it? Either pull them out of earth realm, or put protections in place for them. And to annihilate the innocent among the wretched, this is not the work of compassion.
But, they say, to undo the level of harm built into the fabric of earth realm to protect the innocent, this is complicated work-- what's more forces in earth realm take the innocent and feed them them the suffering of others. That they do not fight this becomes their own error. The weight of what they are built on hangs on them, and they choose to be blind to it to avoid themselves suffering- at the expense of those on whom they feed.
The humans are not capable of understanding the divine. Attempts have been made, but they go mad, or they meet with harmful spirits and are incapable or unwilling to challenging harmful teachings given to them and cling to teachings that allow them to beharmful to others rather than growing their capacity to do right by `
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WOW LOL!! I realized that was turning into a freestyle journal entry type thing and didn't mean to hit send... my computer kind of went nuts and I thought the whole thing was deleted but apparently it got posted here, without me editing it or just filing it away under "my random freestyle weird spiritual thoughts"
So uh... take that for what it is... :P Now we know what kind of weirdo I am in the recesses of my weird mind? LOL
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SOOOO TLDR;
My question, to make the original one I intended to write before I fell down the rabbit hole of my own ramblings-- is are there others here who experience UPG (unconfirmed personal gnosis) or in other ways feel like meditative activities designed to connect with the divine actual seem to become more than just internal and into actual connections with the divine?
What about spirits (fairies, elves, land spirits) are there others who feel like...attempts to connect actually generate powerful connections? If anyone is willing to share, how do you navigate those waters of remaining skeptic but willing to give the possibility a chance that it's more than just within ones self? At first I thought I was basically just having fun within myself "Oh a rainbow it means magic sky love is there!" and then for me, things began to be a lot more than that. Anyways I will stop there since I am the sort that could turn everything in a 2,000 page book.
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