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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Everything in Heathenry is reciprocal, so it would come as no surprise that "friendships" with the gods would be no different. As you said, it takes two to tango. The Icelandic sagas tell of certain kings and warriors who had one-on-one relationships with the gods, but not surprisingly the sagas don't talk of the common folk. Icelandic Ásatrúar today tend to pay more attention to the wights and ancestors than to the gods. It's true that Hinduism is very personal god-oriented. Conversely, there's very little ancestor veneration and nothing like veneration of land spirits. I don't even think Hinduism acknowledges land spirits. I think there's a lot of upg in all this, and no right answer.
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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Be it a Christian idea or not I do believe I have a personal relationship with my Goddess and God. You get what you give. This is not to say they focus on me or that I am gifted by any means but yes I believe they know who and where I am. They hear my thoughts my prayers and concerns, my joy and happiness, and I hear them when they choose to speak to me.

    ... I would like to go more in detail on this but I must run for work or I will be late so I shall continue when I get back.
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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    See if you were all atheists you wouldn't have to be sad your god doesn't love you.

    neener neener.

    j/k. It's my only way to participate. I haz no god.
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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    See if you were all atheists you wouldn't have to be sad your god doesn't love you.

    neener neener.

    j/k. It's my only way to participate. I haz no god.

    *Snicker* that seriously made me giggle!


    Tbh (In all seriousness) , I don't think that's the purpose of the gods. I'd elaborate, but I'm on my phone.
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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorbjorn View Post
    Everything in Heathenry is reciprocal, so it would come as no surprise that "friendships" with the gods would be no different. As you said, it takes two to tango.
    I totally agree with this 100%. I don't think the Gods are any more distant, unreachable, or possess a lack of care for us any more so than another human, animal, etc. From my experiences with the Northern Tradition, I've found that you get what you give. If all you ever do is pray for help when things start to go sour or you need a little guidance, don't be surprised that the only time the Gods reach out to you is when they want something from you. But if you take the time to welcome them into your lives, talk to them, and treat them with respect rather than as a magic "fix it" machine, you'll find that they are much more present and involved in your life. It goes that way with friends too. Don't sit around and say "What the heck, Jimmy hasn't called me in four months! Screw him!" You can pick up the phone and call too, you know.

    Now when I was Christian, we were taught that God, Jesus, and the Angels watched over each and every one of us all the time, and were there no matter what. I remember as a kid being freaked out by that thinking "Um ... Even when I'm in the shower, or on the toilet? EWWWW"

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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    IMHO - the gods come out of the head of a person.

    This appears to be true whether you believe in "gods" as objective or subjective phenomenon (when you see a god, who else sees it in the same place at the same time? When you hear a god, who else hears the same thing in the same place at the same time? If the answer to these two questions is anything other than "everybody who is in that place at that time," then the experience of a god comes to you through your head).

    Therefore, since a god seems to be capable of manifesting primarily through one's head, the gods must care about the individual, if for no other reason than that they can't easily get from "there" to "here" without accessing at least one person's head.
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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    I totally agree with this 100%. I don't think the Gods are any more distant, unreachable, or possess a lack of care for us any more so than another human, animal, etc. From my experiences with the Northern Tradition, I've found that you get what you give. If all you ever do is pray for help when things start to go sour or you need a little guidance, don't be surprised that the only time the Gods reach out to you is when they want something from you. But if you take the time to welcome them into your lives, talk to them, and treat them with respect rather than as a magic "fix it" machine, you'll find that they are much more present and involved in your life. It goes that way with friends too. Don't sit around and say "What the heck, Jimmy hasn't called me in four months! Screw him!" You can pick up the phone and call too, you know.
    I rarely ask for anything except to tell me or show me something I may not have thought of. People pray to Lakshmi for good fortune, especially money. I think that's tacky. I'm in some financial straits right now, but I've only been asking Freyr (and not even that often) to just give me some ideas what to do. I give a little here and there even when I really can't spare it, but I've gotten help back when I needed it. A gift for a gift.

    Now when I was Christian, we were taught that God, Jesus, and the Angels watched over each and every one of us all the time, and were there no matter what. I remember as a kid being freaked out by that thinking "Um ... Even when I'm in the shower, or on the toilet? EWWWW"
    Same here. It took me a long time to get over that.
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    śivasya hridayam viṣṇur viṣṇoscha hridayam śivaḥ


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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorbjorn View Post
    It's true that Hinduism is very personal god-oriented. Conversely, there's very little ancestor veneration and nothing like veneration of land spirits. I don't even think Hinduism acknowledges land spirits.
    That's an interesting point. Obviously they can't venerate their ancestors: there's no point in talking to your grandfather if he's currently reincarnated as a ten-year-old girl who doesn't know she was your grandfather! But I think you're right about land spirits, and I hadn't noticed that before. It's probably the result of being told for two thousand years that the physical world is worthless illusion. I can see why some people think Hinduism isn't really Paganism.

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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    With no god phone or any real contact with Holle other than gut feelings, I feel a strong relationship with her. I think about her constantly. When I am cleaning, making ancestor and wight offerings, when interacting with my son/husband. She is a constant presence. Does she care? Hard to say since I can't just ask and get a yeah sure but I am pretty confident she does. I used to have horrible anxiety, depression and because of that procrastination. Since finding her between mediation and feeling I must do certain things I may have put off as my offering to her I feel like I am rewarded with calm and a better home.

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    Re: The Gods don't care about us individually?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    That's an interesting point. Obviously they can't venerate their ancestors: there's no point in talking to your grandfather if he's currently reincarnated as a ten-year-old girl who doesn't know she was your grandfather!
    D'oh! You're right...I forgot about that.
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