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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    I try not to judge, and try hard to practice an "each to their own" attitude, and so on... after all, not every Pagan goes about all day every day in broad daylight looking like Hollywoods' image of a witch... as we all know, it could be the local Postman, or the lady jogging around the park in her pink tracksuit... who knows?

    however, I have felt a certain level of being... uncomfy... in a crowd of Pagans all trying to be more Pagan than everyone else and trying so hard to "out do" each other, if you know what I mean, unless it's Samhain, maybe... or a Pagan Pride march... especially the one chap this one time who claimed to be "the real" Odin, done up in Norse dress who kept saying he was talking to the Ice Giants, or the one claiming to be "the real" Merlin in the peacock blue velvet pointy hat and matching robe that had fetching gold lurex stars on... It was the funny voice impressions too with that one that made me find it hard not to laugh...

    I have heard non-Pagans poke fun at cloak wearing Pagans at Avebury, calling them all Devil worshippers and child eaters etc I was pretty upset by that and told them not to be so unkind and to brush up on their facts before making such rude and offensive comments...

    I blame the press for a lot of it... they do like to publish trash about us with pictures made to look overly dramatic especially as 31st October draws close.

    I guess we all have a certain level of responsibility for how non-Pagans view us when we are out and about in the world at large, depends on the circumstances really and it's not just about costume, it's about behaviour and conduct too.

    Quite a different matter if they accidentally stumble across a ritual going on in the woods or at the beach and so on, of course, especially if said ritual happens to be skyclad... that can be so embarrassing for all concerned (yes it has happened to me)

    I have to say I think a group of people dressed like the ones in the picture would give Pagans something of a "bad name" in truth because, sadly, there are so many nasty folks ready to laugh at something they don't understand and maybe fear, or feel jealous about. They do look like extra's from the set of Harry Potter. (If that's not an insult to Harry Potter films.)

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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    It is rather uncommon for my beliefs to be given the same status by others that I give it myself. Considering that I don't really give Christianity much status (no offense intended to christian members), I can't really assign blame.

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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    If we're supposed to take Christians seriously....


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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I am personally taken seriously.
    Mostly this except when I don't want to be taken seriously. My beliefs aren't typically available for public critique and review so no one really expresses an opinion on them and I'm happy that way.

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    (no offense intended to christian members),
    Quote Originally Posted by Serria View Post
    (That was mean but I couldn't resist, sorry anyone who is offended by that)
    We're going to have this discussion now while you two aren't actually guilty of anything offensive enough to warrant staff action and before anyone decides to follow the example of making disclaimers on their statements. If you feel the need to add apologies for the statement you are making when you are making it or feel the need to say "no offence intended" then think very, very carefully whether or not the statement needs to be made. My personal interpretation of "No offence"/"Sorry, but"/add-in-your-preferred-disclaimer-here is that the person using these disclaimers generally (there are rare exceptions) knows or strongly believes that their conduct is at the very least questionable and often flat-out wrong but they aren't bothered by the offence they're about to give, they just don't want retaliation from the party they're offending. What this means for board members is that if I find your comment out of line then instead of the disclaimer being a mitigating factor in your defence, it becomes a sign of malicious intent and when I come down on you for whatever your initial offence is, I will be just that little extra bit more pissed off than usual. If you don't want to be offensive, than don't be offensive. If you feel that being offensive is warranted then don't pretend that you don't know what you're doing. Say what needs to be said, grit your teeth and take whatever comes back at you.

    Now, as stated at the beginning of my little rant. The comments that you added disclaimers to don't currently merit official sanction so go about your business.
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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by TxanGoddess View Post
    So, I guess that is just the drawback of being a fairly unstructured, open and accepting faith. You have to accept that there are going to be more clowns in a group like that than in a more controlling religious group.
    Yes, we get a lot of that in Buddhism too.
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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    I don't think we are. Mostly because of the number of pagans in the world when compared to the rest of the world's population.
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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gleb View Post
    I don't think we are. Mostly because of the number of pagans in the world when compared to the rest of the world's population.
    It depends on definition. I have heard Hinduism described as a pagan tradition, for example.
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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    No, we're not being taken serious by non-pagans. Then of course for non-pagans it can be quite difficult to understand a religion that they're not familiar with. My mother ones tried to explain wicca to my aunt (father's sister). She listened and asked questions. Then she ended the conversation with the comment: "well, I'm happy you found a hobby". My mother didn't respond to that, but her face was like, "What?! A hobby?!" XD My aunt just couldn't understand the entire concept of pagan religion.

    But then as a pagan (for as long as I'm going to call myself that, I'm sort of in a process here), I can't really take some aspects of other religions seriously. I respect other people's view and choice of religion, yet I just can't understand why western women would freely choose to become Muslim and be part of a culture that can be very suppressive to women.

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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    Taken seriously by whom? No doubt my beliefs would be condemned by many Christians and Muslims and ridiculed by atheists. So what? I'm reminded of Tolkien's remark about Lord of the Rings that "Some .. have found it boring, absurd, or incomprehensible, and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works..."

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    Re: Are we taken seriously?

    Man I am glad I didn't get flamed off the board for my remarks! Glad to see that some people took value in them too ... kind of felt like I had to get it off my chest.

    On another note of "being taken seriously" I think part of it comes down to so many pagans practicing solo, so they can't be "credited" with anything as a group. Like my sister goes to this huge Lutheran church ... and when they do service hours, the organization knows that they were from Gloria Dei. Catholics give money to Catholic Charities, Conservative Christians make PACs to influence politicians ... whatever, insert example here.

    I guess if you are raised in a world that is mostly Christian, and you are already a bit insular to start with, it's probably kind of hard to look at paganism from a far without asking, "Well yeah, but what do all yall actually DO?"

    But I really like the answer of the person who said that they personally are taken seriously regardless of their religion. As much as I enjoy contributing to this thread and do find it an interesting question, I think that's the only real right answer: to just not really care what other people ascribe to your labels and demand their respect on a personal level.

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