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    #16
    Re: Fight breaks out among anti-violence activists in New Jersey

    There is a difference between the phrases "a reduction in violence" and ""no violence."

    As soon as Europeans stopped going to war with each other after WWII there was a massive decrease in world-wide violence. Add to that the end of the imperial erra...
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      #17
      Re: Fight breaks out among anti-violence activists in New Jersey

      fair enough. I suppose part of my belief that more overall violence might be happening is my innate suspicion of anything that relies on government stats. Governments have a vested interest in downplaying the bad

      Also I have a feeling that 'interesting times' are ahead as many govs. seem to be edging to more restrictive controls over their citizens. And another financial crisis is predicted in the next 12 months and... and. geez I gotta stop reading the news. they only publish the bad don't they. :/

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        And the oil is still falling,and even if that seems a good thing,it will pull the economy down with it...Not to forget China,taking a nose dive as well...
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          #19
          Re: Fight breaks out among anti-violence activists in New Jersey

          Originally posted by Marradin View Post
          fair enough. I suppose part of my belief that more overall violence might be happening is my innate suspicion of anything that relies on government stats. Governments have a vested interest in downplaying the bad
          Suspicion of the gooberment is a good trait, but suspicion requires evidence to be more than suspicion.

          Consider, even without statistics, but philosophically - the mere fact that in, say, for example, the U.S., rape is presently treated as a real crime, rather than "boys will be boys" (as it was in the past) means that prosecutions - and, therefore, incarcerations - have gone up, bringing the number of actual occurrences down - but certainly not eliminating them.

          The entire category of crimes that are "violence against women" began to decline in number as soon a women attained the right to vote, for some odd reason...

          Likewise, civil rights advances have made violence against minorities in the US unacceptable, whereas once they were acceptable, and even, sometimes, considered laudable.
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            #20
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            EDIT: I have changed my mind and chosen not to respond to your post at all.

            You can't really compare the peacefulness of the world based on a decade. Wars can last longer. Look over the century, two centuries, twenty centuries, we are more peaceful than we have been in the past.
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              #21
              Re: Fight breaks out among anti-violence activists in New Jersey

              Crime actually peaked in the US (including violent crime) in the 1990s. We've, statistically speaking, been at some of the lowest rates of crime seen in over 40 years.

              Extra sauce.
              Extra extra sauce. Extra extra extra sauce. (every year a few of these articles come out because its been the trend for a while now)

              Crime statistic reporting systems are markedly improved.

              The problem is the news. And that most people don't understand what statistics actuall mean.



              When it comes to global violence though, yeah...we are in a 10 year increase. And TBH, I think it will continue in at least undeveloped and developing countries (for historical precedent of the climate-conflict connection, look at the little ice age). Although, a 10 year trend is a statistical drop in the bucket for global violence, as is the 2015 urban homicide increase in the US, neither of which is enough data to indicate a reversal of the current trends.
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