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    Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

    There is a difference between ego, self esteem and self worth. Ego can be good to a degree but in the end we humans tend to not know how to use it properly. When we elevate our self esteem we gain a sense of self worth that is not inflated by the erroneous ego.

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    Re: I want to be "spiritual sheep" again

    Ego can be over inflated.

    Ego can be under inflated.

    Both are equally flawed.

    Ego needs to be just right, like Goldilock's porridge.
    Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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      #3
      Re: I want to be "spiritual sheep" again

      Sorry about the mess which is this thread. It will be cleaned. The topic is as per title.


      Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
      Ego can be over inflated.

      Ego can be under inflated.

      Both are equally flawed.

      Ego needs to be just right, like Goldilock's porridge.
      I want to discuss this further because there can be confusion around what Ego is because of lack of understanding and the Ego being viewed through different world views.

      Ego is a term coined by Freud who was the father of psychoanalysis. Throughout his career, he developed a series of models to effectively understand and treat issues in personality. The final model he developed was the Structural Model which outlined the function of Id, Ego and Superego.

      Ego acts as the mediator between the impulses of the Id and the conscience voice (NB NOT conscious but conscience as in ideals) of the Superego while considering the external world. "The Ego brings pleasure-seeking impulses in line with the real world (Burton, et. al, 2006 [2009] p. 422).

      It is my belief that the Ego has become an unfavourable word in some Eastern traditions because of its reliance on perception of the real world. This is especially true in religions that are achieving to understand the Ultimate Reality or True Nature. In these world views, the ego is at fault for giving wrong direction or false sense of reality. When a student can adjust their understanding of the True Nature, their ego will also adjust.

      One of the ways ego is adjusted is through meditation. I'll share with you a podcast I found that briefly outlines methods of reality adjustment.

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        Re: I want to be "spiritual sheep" again

        I'll share soon. I will have to listen to it again, find the spot and summarise.

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          Re: I want to be "spiritual sheep" again

          Originally posted by Azvanna View Post
          Sorry about the mess which is this thread. It will be cleaned. The topic is as per title.
          We need to work on your definition of mess . This was a minor spill. It took longer to figure out what you did than to fix it. "Mess" is for things like accidentally pruning the rules thread (rejoice, unlike GMs who shall remain nameless, you can't do this), merging 20 different posts or threads together that shouldn't be merged (don't do this, I'll make you fix it while I munch popcorn), or accidentally spam-o-maticing Medusa (actually this might fall under the initiation of Armageddon rather than a mere mess).
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            #6
            Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

            Ego: Latin for "I."
            (Insert Azvanna's Frued reference )
            In current usage it can mean different things, depending on context. Most commonly it is used in a negative way, to refer to a person who is full of him/her self, concieted, overly proud of his/her accomplishments while diminishing the accomplishments of other, or not acknowledging the roll others played in achieving goals. Ego trip, egotistical, etc. (see also Donald Trump).

            "Ego" is also the word used to refer to the sense and awareness of personal existance. In contempory psychology, ego = conciousnes. Freud's Id (it) - Ego (I) - Super Ego (the good angel) complex is now subconcious - concious, id and some super ego are components of the unconcious, ego and some super ego are components of the concious (note: these "components" are conceptual models, not physical features).

            I gotta run - I'll be back later with some thoughts on too much ego, and too little ego.
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              Re: I want to be "spiritual sheep" again

              People are very poor judges of pretty much everything from their expertise (there have been a number of other studies since this review that have similar results) to their ability to judge others' motivations (which mostly seems to be a reflection of one's self). In a discussion of Ego, I think out empirically derived failings as a group are important to consider...
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                Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

                I respect Freud, but I prefer Plato's tripartite theory when it comes to spirituality.

                When the word ego is used in a negative sense, I believe what is intended is closer to Plato's "sprited" part of the soul. Not sure if I am allowed to post links yet by now ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%...theory_of_soul

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                  #9
                  Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

                  My use of the term ego was not from the psychoanalytical view but more from the egotistical view point. Perhaps hubris would be a better term to use here. Hubris or extreme arrogance and pride gets in the way of all the things I can accomplish. It is this that must be dealt with in order to progress.

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                    Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

                    Originally posted by Taulmaril View Post
                    There is a difference between ego, self esteem and self worth. Ego can be good to a degree but in the end we humans tend to not know how to use it properly. When we elevate our self esteem we gain a sense of self worth that is not inflated by the erroneous ego.
                    I liked this. It highlights the difference between self-worth as a person and self-importance which tends to put people on a ladder.

                    Originally posted by Taulmaril View Post
                    My use of the term ego was not from the psychoanalytical view but more from the egotistical view point. Perhaps hubris would be a better term to use here. Hubris or extreme arrogance and pride gets in the way of all the things I can accomplish. It is this that must be dealt with in order to progress.
                    I understand. I should have clarified: I understand people generally don't use the word ego according to Freud's definition. I felt his definition had a lot to offer to the discussion, so wanted it acknowledged.

                    I confess I have been watching too much Battlestar Galactica, playing too much Cities: Skylines and not listening to podcasts!

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                      Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

                      "I liked this. It highlights the difference between self-worth as a person and self-importance which tends to put people on a ladder."

                      Thank you. I agree there is a huge difference. Self-worth has more to do with how we see ourselves and not necessarily in how others see us or in how we view the place we have in society/community. One can be on a "low" social ladder but have a very high sense of self-worth. Also known as self-respect. One of my favorite words is integrity, doing what is right no matter who is watching. Having integrity will build our sense of self-respect/worth and will build us up spiritually.

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                        #12
                        Re: Ego in Spirituality and Psychology

                        Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
                        Ego: Latin for "I."
                        (Insert Azvanna's Frued reference )
                        In current usage it can mean different things, depending on context. Most commonly it is used in a negative way, to refer to a person who is full of him/her self, conceited, overly proud of his/her accomplishments while diminishing the accomplishments of other, or not acknowledging the roll others played in achieving goals. Ego trip, egotistical, etc. (see also Donald Trump).

                        "Ego" is also the word used to refer to the sense and awareness of personal existence. In contemporary psychology, ego = consciousness. Freud's Id (it) - Ego (I) - Super Ego (the good angel) complex is now subconscious - conscious, id and some super ego are components of the unconscious, ego and some super ego are components of the conscious (note: these "components" are conceptual models, not physical features).
                        Lesson 1: Meet Your EgoYOUR OWN EGOA)what you are thinking when you ARE thinking the contents of your unconscious becoming consciousB) So that should help you spot your Ego. Your Ego is the thing that listensLesson 2: When Ego Matters, and When it is Best Left Behind.
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                          Strange as it seems,I find I care little for ego boosting stuff. I do things because they need doing,and if asked,or suggested I should feel special,I just shrug it needed doing,would not everyone do the same?
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                            A healthy ego is a good thing. To know ones self as they truly are is pure humility.
                            Ego helps you to excel and grow honestly.
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                              Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                              Strange as it seems,I find I care little for ego boosting stuff. I do things because they need doing,and if asked,or suggested I should feel special,I just shrug it needed doing,would not everyone do the same?
                              That's a sign of a solid Ego. Weak Egos demand compliments, and become obnoxious when compliments don't come fast and often, but solid Egos politly say "Thank you" when complimented, then forget about it, for exactly the reason you've stated.
                              Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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