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    Addiction

    This is a good topic to discuss about. There's many types of addiction, food addiction, sugar addiction, shopping addiction, card collecting addiction (such as pokemon card game, tarot and other card type), drug addiction, alocohol addiction, smoking addiction and the list goes on. I don't see addiction as a disease with the expection of drugs, alcohol and smoking addiction. Addiction can be a fun and positive rush. What's your opinion on addiction?

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    Re: Addiction

    An addiction is not a "fun and positive rush". It's having your life taken over by something that you cannot emotionally, mentally, psychologically, even sometimes physically live without. Addiction is a disease. It can ruin your life. It can ruin the lives of people around you. Saying "oh, I have an addiction to x" is only cute and funny when it's not running your life into the ground. I've had addictions that financially ruined me. I have an alcoholic parent who is struggling daily with their addiction.

    What you're speaking of as "fun and a rush" are hobbies. Activities. It might be fun to get drunk or smoke a joint once in a while. That's not the same as not being able to function without alcohol, or being stoned every day because you can't deal with reality.

    Addictions are not a joke. Please don't take them lightly.
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    Re: Addiction

    Addictions are what one does to fill in the emptyness of one's life.

    Fill that emptyness, and addiction becomes a mere habit. IMHO.
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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Addiction can be a fun and positive rush. What's your opinion on addiction?
    Yeah, because divorce, childhood neglect, debt, the feeling of utter hopelessness, profound intellectual and physical disability, painful withdrawal symptoms and death are all such a rush of fun and positivity.

    BMH, Can you explain how you think addiction as opposed to an activity (eg drinking coffee) provides a fun and positive rush?

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    Re: Addiction

    Use of something, abuse of something, and addiction are not the same thing, whether its gambling or drugs or sex.

    Use can be fine. In proper context, it can even be beneficial. Most of the time, its just fairly benign. Abuse on the other hand, will push yourself towards addiction eventually, and in the interim is pretty hard on your body. But addiction is plain bad--you aren't using something when you are addicted, you are letting it use you. In addiction, the rush is mostly gone (compared to just use) and you need whatever it is to just break even.

    A bit simple, but this pretty much illustrates it perfectly:



    The problem with this though, is the idea that doing it once makes you addicted, which for most people and most addictions, is not the case. And, of course, it brings with it the idea that abstinence is the only answer, when the problem isn't the substance, but what causes them to return to the substance over and over and over.

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    Re: Addiction

    To answer your question. Addiction can be a positive rush only in moderation and I already mention that addiction can be negative only with drugs, alocohol and smoking. And I really don't see it completely as a disease. There always a cure that people overcome addiction. Also addiction is not even a mental illness. If it was a mental illness there won't be no cure for it.

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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    To answer your question. Addiction can be a positive rush only in moderation and I already mention that addiction can be negative only with drugs, alocohol and smoking. And I really don't see it completely as a disease. There always a cure that people overcome addiction. Also addiction is not even a mental illness. If it was a mental illness there won't be no cure for it.
    Addiction is an illness, it is mental and there is no cure. You repeating that doesn't make it not true. There are treatments, but one is never cured from alcoholism. They are recovering.

    Only drugs are negative addictions? What about gambling? Sex? Self-injury? Eating disorders? Shopping to the point of running yourself into debt or ruin? If you don't believe any of these exist, use Google. I shouldn't have to provide links. The very definition of addiction disagrees with your assertion of its meaning (emphasis mine):

    noun
    1.
    the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

    What about that sounds like a "fun rush" to you? You are not an addict if you are able to enjoy something in moderation. Do. Research. Before you start making topics of discussion, please, for the love of whatever gods you believe in.
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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    BMH, I have to agree with this^

    Repeating your incredibly unscientific and wrong opinion doesn't make it correct.
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