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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    All the research, all the evidence points to the same end. To reduce crime, poverty, etc., punishment does not work. Punishment, as punishment, perpetuates the problem.

    People who are stuck in generational cycles need the opportunity to end that cycle.

    I know how irritating this is to people like me who struggled through life, working through their education, or who are paying off huge student debt - then see people "rewarded" for committing a crime with what we sacrificed for.

    Yes, we got the stinky end of the stick, but the solution to that injustice isn't more injustice.

    We really need to start making societal decisions based on research, not revenge. We've tried revenge, and it just hasn't worked.
    The secondary headache here is that distrust can provide as much of a hurdle as vengeance. It's one thing to acknowledge that released criminals need employment somewhere. It's another to trust a convicted thief with access to your company's funds and equipment.
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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    The secondary headache here is that distrust can provide as much of a hurdle as vengeance. It's one thing to acknowledge that released criminals need employment somewhere. It's another to trust a convicted thief with access to your company's funds and equipment.
    Of course - that's why you have to watch (as has been pointed out) what x-con was incarcerated for what, and what job they are being offered. Also, a position of trust needs to be earned, and that might take years, depending on the degree of trust, and the particular crime.

    I agree with what has been said - after prison, all is not forgotten. But they need a chance of some kind. Without the possibility of a paying job, the choices come down to A) just kill them, B) keep them permanently incarcerated, C) let them starve, D) keep them on the permanent dole, E) force them to return to crime, F) expect them to be supported by family, friends or charity.

    Maybe there is another choice I've missed...
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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Personally I would prefer to see criminals working at a job rather than working at a crime.
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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    People often do stupid things when they're younger.
    Also when they are desperate. And when they don't know any better.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    'Convicts' got caught, so they were not all that good at what they did. They went to gaol and society says they have paid their price.
    On one hand, yes...but on the other hand, at least in the US, the "justice" system is highly biased against minorities, particularly African Americans. Convicts here are mostly people that were too poor to get a decent lawyer or people of color, or both.
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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Crime(excluding white collar) is a symptom of economic conditions. You can't keep wages low, outsource industry, make college unattainable, heavily police drugs, and then say the prison system is the solution. That is counter-intuitive.

    I was watching a documentary recently about a 14 year who was serving life in Florida for Armed Robbery. No one was hurt in the crime. Due to a Supreme Court ruling that said minors can't be sentenced to life for non-homicides he was up for re-sentencing.

    While in prison he took advantage of all the educational programs available to him and was a model prisoner. He had served 12 years and was 26 at his re-sentencing. They paraded the victims in there to cry about how he ahould never be realeased(extremely biased parties influencing sentencing makes perfect sense, doesnt it?) The Judge said, "I do believe you have been rehabilitatedbut that is not enough for this Court." And he was sentenced to 40 years.

    It was then that I jumped off of my couch and started yelling at the television, "WTF IS THE POINT OF PRISON THEN YOU $&#%@$&#%@%&%#?"

    So, the Justice system serves as a tool of oppression and the deck is heavily stacked against those in poverty. With all this injustice I think a job for someone is the least we can do.

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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Also when they are desperate. And when they don't know any better.




    On one hand, yes...but on the other hand, at least in the US, the "justice" system is highly biased against minorities, particularly African Americans. Convicts here are mostly people that were too poor to get a decent lawyer or people of color, or both.
    Let's not forget that some places in the US are basically returning to debtor's prison and putting people in jail for unpaid parking fines and other misdemeanours, which build up over time thanks to privatized collections.

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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    Let's not forget that some places in the US are basically returning to debtor's prison and putting people in jail for unpaid parking fines and other misdemeanours, which build up over time thanks to privatized collections.
    Could you provide evidence to back this up?

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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    Let's not forget that some places in the US are basically returning to debtor's prison and putting people in jail for unpaid parking fines and other misdemeanours, which build up over time thanks to privatized collections.
    ...and conficating cash & goods from people who have not even been accused of comitting a crime, other than "carrying cash while black."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsFriend View Post
    Could you provide evidence to back this up?
    Feds discouraging states from jailing criminal defendants who fail to pay fines or fees

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is discouraging state court systems from jailing poor defendants who fail to pay fines or fees, warning against practices that it says run afoul of the Constitution and erode community trust.
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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...cle-of-poverty
    http://america.aljazeera.com/article...aclu-says.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto (Last Week Tonight does a surprising amount of research for its segments).
    Etc, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    ...and conficating cash & goods from people who have not even been accused of comitting a crime, other than "carrying cash while black."
    There's that too. Sometimes it seems like taxes aren't really low in the US; they're just shifted to the poor in other ways.

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    Re: Criminals Working At A Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    I remain neutral on this topic. There some criminals who can work on a job and there are some criminals who can't work because of their serious crimes that they committed.
    What crimes make a person unable to work?
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