"Atheist Wiccan"?

[Clive]

Really,in a very deep sense,a question that would be very hard to answer,BUT would give serious insight to the human condition is just why we ponder gods and demons. What part of the human psyche pushes us to seek after the spiritual and follow any beliefs?

The Program on National Geographic with Morgan Freeman is really intresting. Not sure if it will hit on Pagan Beliefs,but one can hope.

I suppose it has something to do with existentialism. Few of us like to think for too long about the possibility that our very existence is pointless. Or maybe that's just me. Thinking very long about that idea depresses me.

On a more optimistic note, I like to think of it as a way of being grateful and having purpose. Atheists can of course be grateful and feel purposeful, but I guess some of us like to put a face on what we're grateful for and revering it. It certainly isn't any easy thing to consider.

[B. de Corbin]

Not everybody sees the world in black and white, for some of us there are all kinds of purty colors out there.

For those who see the colors, it would require a degenerative brain disease to fail to notive them.

The question "is there a god or gods?" only allows a black or white answer...


PS- being atheist and having a pointless existance are not synonomous - that's pro-theistic propaganda, and flat out wrong.

[Clive]

PS- being atheist and having a pointless existance are not synonomous - that's pro-theistic propaganda, and flat out wrong.

I never said any such thing. Maybe I should have stayed away from here...just about everything I'm saying is being taken wrong.

[anunitu]

Not at all Clive...I just think B. De. has run across anti-atheist people before.
I might be atheist,but more agnostic...Mixed feelings concerning beliefs only because I WANT there to be actual GODs,but as the world is and seems to mean to stay..my mind doubts.
I know,I must choose right? But do I really need to choose.?..If there are spirits we label gods,they would know my inner thoughts,and understand my doubts.
I honor all peoples beliefs,even ones I might have trouble understanding,THAT is the very crux of Freedom of religion..everyone is right in their own beliefs.

[Medusa]

I never said any such thing. Maybe I should have stayed away from here...just about everything I'm saying is being taken wrong.

No stay! The point is there are only a few of us atheists. And if you haven't noticed, we all still follow a very different path from each other. With influences and experiences moving us. The point is we need to correct views when they are shows to be in error of our atheism. Trust me your views are pretty much what we come across on a daily basis. We are just the nice ones who have a conversation back and don't just...do atheist soulless things back.

Also being soulless is good. I can move around MO fully and freely. He's never going to eat me. I'm not full of the good soul stuff he most treasures to consume.

[anunitu]

Pokes Duce to see if she squeaks,or passes gas,but is that gas really a soul leaking? Ahh,the mysteries of humans,always something to poke a pin in to see what happens... Trust me kids,none of you is safe with me hanging around in the shadows...Mohahaha..cough..cough..cough...hahaha

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And you all know,everybody has something to hide. Except me and my Monkey.


Just because I am an old hippy street freak

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Not at all sure what they call this music,but it is kinda interesting.
and it fits the theme for this thread.
CPU Vs. Bliss. Who is god?

[Clive]

Not at all Clive...I just think B. De. has run across anti-atheist people before.
I might be atheist,but more agnostic...Mixed feelings concerning beliefs only because I WANT there to be actual GODs,but as the world is and seems to mean to stay..my mind doubts.
I know,I must choose right? But do I really need to choose.?..If there are spirits we label gods,they would know my inner thoughts,and understand my doubts.
I honor all peoples beliefs,even ones I might have trouble understanding,THAT is the very crux of Freedom of religion..everyone is right in their own beliefs.

No, I don't think you have to choose, and who's to say that you do? It's all relative, I say. Me, I've had certain crises of faith in my time. I just hold the view that the Gods essentially don't give a shit and never promised everything would be A-Okay, so I can't blame them for anything, so I rely on my personal experience when it comes to my theism. But if someone is totally comfortable holding the view that you just described, I say go with it. It sounds perfectly reasonable.

I firmly believe in Freedom of Religion myself. I would never try to force someone to change, because I believe in personal liberty. They have the right to say, think ,and believe whatever they want, but conversely, I have the right to express how I think it might be logically inconsistent. Not morally wrong, just logically inconsistent.

No stay! The point is there are only a few of us atheists. And if you haven't noticed, we all still follow a very different path from each other. With influences and experiences moving us. The point is we need to correct views when they are shows to be in error of our atheism. Trust me your views are pretty much what we come across on a daily basis. We are just the nice ones who have a conversation back and don't just...do atheist soulless things back.

Also being soulless is good. I can move around MO fully and freely. He's never going to eat me. I'm not full of the good soul stuff he most treasures to consume.

Wait, what are my views with which you have an issue? I'm actually very pro-atheist, even if I am not one. I would more likely rather hang out with an atheist than a fundamentalist or fluff bunny. Unless the atheist in question happens to be an asshole, then each party can kindly feck off.

To quote myself from my previous post, "Atheists can of course be grateful and feel purposeful, but I guess some of us like to put a face on what we're grateful for and revering [sic] it." I'm not understanding how this equates to "Atheists have no purpose in life" or any other anti-atheist sentiment.

[anunitu]

This is the problem,everyone hears something,even if nothing is said..it is a weird human trait. I read about this in a piece about communications between humans. Someone says "Dog" and the other person because of their mindset hears "Cat".

And here is a explanation from scientific American.

[Clive]

Oh yes, even in adulthood we're often playing a long game of "telephone" like we did in first grade. I find it exceptionally frustrating. You'd think having it in writing or text would make things more clear, though.

[anunitu]

Even in reading,people can see something else than what is written. For sure humans are just damn lucky they have not wiped each other out because of this "set human trait".
One would have expected those ICBM's to be shooting to their targets because of this...for some reason we did not destroy ourselves...YET

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I watched a National Geographic program about the brain...The human brain is a VERY complex thing,and the series explained just how easy it is to "trick" the brain to see what is not even there. Misdirection in magic relays on this. If you get the chance to watch the NG series,it will teach you a lot about your senses and brain science.