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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    When I was little, my parents often took me to the Bronx Zoo. I used to cry about the big cats, a black panther in particular, because back then they were just in cages, and he paced nonstop and I could see and sense his fear, anger, and hopelessness. I can still see his eyes. The elephants made me sad too. I heard their rumblings and knew they weren't happy. Nowadays the habitats are 100% better. I went back there in the late 90's and it was a different world. For conservation purposes, I think it's fine, but we need to build stronger barriers to keep stupid humans out!

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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    How are you supposed to be interested and care about a tiny lion on a 40 inch tv screen?

    Of course you need to have a personal experience. Caring about animals teaches humans to be less crappy.
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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    How are you supposed to be interested and care about a tiny lion on a 40 inch tv screen?

    Of course you need to have a personal experience. Caring about animals teaches humans to be less crappy.
    I agree. As a kid, the zoo was bad. But it sparked all my interest in animals and "nature." Now that they are so much better for the animals, they serve the same purpose - at least for some kids - are are less harmful for the animals. Much better than farms, at least, where the animals are a "product."
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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    Here's an essay that disagrees with me:

    Taking children to an aquarium is a lesson in cruelty

    While I am in quasi-agreement with this author, it argues more for ethical sourcing and treatment of animals (in this case, fish) than it does against the use of zoos- aquaria, IMHO.
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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    I was looking to see if there was an article about the sea otter thing I posted about (there isn't), and found a story about a bear at a zoo that hurled a rock at the glass in its enclosure: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us...mashes-window/

    Bears also use rocks as tools.
    Octopus are way smarter and cooler than one could ever think. They hide I stuff and move from aquarium to aquarium. Some even escape. There is one in the previews for the new Dory movie, I am so excited. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/wo...rium.html?_r=0

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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkfeathers View Post
    When I was little, my parents often took me to the Bronx Zoo. I used to cry about the big cats, a black panther in particular, because back then they were just in cages, and he paced nonstop and I could see and sense his fear, anger, and hopelessness. I can still see his eyes. The elephants made me sad too. I heard their rumblings and knew they weren't happy. Nowadays the habitats are 100% better. I went back there in the late 90's and it was a different world. For conservation purposes, I think it's fine, but we need to build stronger barriers to keep stupid humans out!
    I think the ones in North America are a lot better than the ones here, though. There's just more space there and that shows in the kind of enclosures they have. Here they're not terrible (they're definitely not in cages anymore), but for some animals they clearly need to be bigger. Some zoos over here are better than others, though. As I said before Barcelona was horrible. I think part of it was the tons of people constantly knocking on the glass of every animal, but they were also small spaces. All the animals looked a bit depressed (I'll also note that we were there in May and it wasn't really hot out by Spanish standards). The Berlin Zoo is kind of middle ground by European standards...most of it looks decent, but the larger animals need more space. Tierpark (also Berlin) is kind of better, but they have more space due to their weird history (West Berlin had the zoo, so East Berlin had to go and build their own zoo, and it was after the war so there was more empty space). None of them are as good as San Diego or Calgary, though (the two zoos I've been to in North America and therefore my frame of reference).

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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    It depends entirely on the zoo/aquarium. And how they source their animals as well as how they house, treat and feed them. And it depends on the behind-the-scenes conservation and breeding programs. And the front-of-the-scenes education programs.

    Without zoos, the Mongolian Wild Horse would be extinct, to name just one of the species that has benefited from responsible zoo practice. Some zoos are doing a good job. Some aren't. Personally I think there needs to be pressure put on those that aren't to up their game. We need better global standards for zoos, and people need to stop complaining about the entrance price for the high-standard zoos. Because that money is how those zoos pay for their high standards and their conservation efforts.

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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    We need better global standards for zoos, and people need to stop complaining about the entrance price for the high-standard zoos. Because that money is how those zoos pay for their high standards and their conservation efforts.
    Eh, partly. Ours also get money from the state. I think investing taxpayer dollars in zoos and the conservation/research/education work they do is a worthy cause, and many get far too little funding from that end.

    I think zoos (like theatres and museums) should be there as much for locals as they are for tourists. And in Berlin, locals CANNOT afford to pay the existing entrance a lot of the time (wages in Berlin can be pitifully low), and we're one of the cheaper zoos in Europe. I think allocating more taxpayer money for that would be fair. After all, we pay those taxes.
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    Re: The discussion now:Should animals be in zoos?

    I liked SF,where there was a once a month free day for all locals for everything,zoo,museum ,aquarium,art museum, and many others.
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