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    Re: They are willing to destroy this country

    I know people with buildings full of weaponry. Two people live in the house. "How many can you fire at once and how long can you stay awake?" is always good to bring about a quick change of subject LOL
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      Re: They are willing to destroy this country

      Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
      My point is that I don't agree with him. Why do you always sound so angry Den? Are we getting our wires crossed here?
      I'm just asking what your basis for disagreeing with the statement is. As I very easily see the logic he is using, and you basically just quoted him and said you disagreed with him.
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        Re: They are willing to destroy this country

        It is political thought Den,it does not have to make sense for everyone. why we have factions,even in political groups. Moderate,liberal,and conservative republicans,same for the Dems.
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          Political thought still has a basis in reason, or at least it should instead of being more a tribalist thing, but even then we should still expect justifications for a belief when having a discussion on the subject.

          Truthiness shouldn't be sufficient for discourse.
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            Re: They are willing to destroy this country

            Originally posted by Denarius View Post
            I'm just asking what your basis for disagreeing with the statement is. As I very easily see the logic he is using, and you basically just quoted him and said you disagreed with him.
            Ah right. I think he's starting in the wrong place... democracy as practised now has departed a long way from its classical origins.
            He also seems to think that all communism is a bad thing - but it really depends on one's definition of it. I mean 'soft communism'??
            I also think he generalises about 'the history of ideas' - it's such an enormous subject and he is acting as though he has a monopoly on it.

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              Re: They are willing to destroy this country

              I am thinking,it is going to be a "Long,hot summer"

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                Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                Yeah, 1968 all over again.
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                  Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                  Nixon had the grace to resign before things got nasty,and Ford allowed him the path to just fade away.
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                    Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                    Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                    Nixon had the grace
                    Never thought those words would go together, but compared to what's going on now, they strangely do.
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                      Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                      Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                      Nixon had the grace to resign before things got nasty,and Ford allowed him the path to just fade away.
                      Nixon resigned after Congressional leaders informed he could leave office willingly or be removed by force. Trump isn't under that threat yet. Granted he probably won't handle it with grace if he gets there but he hasn't completed the journey to Nixonhood yet.
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                        Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                        Whoa Anderson Cooper,nice shot.
                        A quote from Anderson Cooper to Jeffrey Lord:

                        Lord, a Trump supporter, was defending the president's right to call former FBI Director James Comey a “nut job” in a White House meeting with Russian officials earlier this month.

                        “If he took a dump on his desk, you would defend it,” Cooper said, interrupting Lord. “I don’t know what he would do that you would not defend.”


                        Anderson did Apologize after,but still,GREAT LINE!!!

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                          There's an urban legend circulating about a woman who did just that after winning the lottery. I just saw it again the other day - maybe Anderson saw it too. LOL in any case! It's no worse than what 45 said himself during the campaign about shooting someone on 5th Ave. and still keeping his supporters!
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                            Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                            Originally posted by Denarius View Post
                            The idea that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" or, to put another way, art doesn't need any standards or qualifications. A bed someone put in an exhibit is no less a piece of art than Michelangelo's David. Lack of standards leads to lack of quality, obviously.
                            Standards are for quantifiable concepts rooted in the concrete and objective. You can do it with qualitative concepts, but you aren't looking at a concept any more, but rather what people *think* about a concept, and those are not the same thing.

                            Art, and therefore beauty (or perhaps beauty, and therefore art) is purely subjective, and abstract. You can make qualitative calls about what is "good" art and "bad" art, but you aren't measuring the art, you are measuring people and their ideas about art. Standards based on people's ideas about things are not absolute because people are not absolute, people (and cultures) evolve. You may not like it (conservatives seldom do), but that evolution is quantifiable--you can measure how a culture changes over time, how many of its concepts and ideas change.

                            There is no universal standard of beauty because beauty isn't quantifiable, its rooted in clusters of individual opinions based upon cultural evolution--every culture has a radically different idea of what is beautiful, on what *is* art. Beauty by its very nature, as an abstract, subjective, and qualitative thing that can only be "measured" on the basis of what people think about it, has no standards. Obviously someone thought the bed was good art, or just a good investment--they paid a substantial amount of money for it. How is that any different than the "art" people sell because its old? If someone digs a piece of someone's dinner plate out of centuries old trash heap, we treat it similarly, despite the fact that its broken pottery--I could go out back and drop a plate and get the same effect. My Grandma can embroider better than the Bayeux Tapestry, but her pillow cases aren't ever going to be in a museum. I can splatter paint on a rock over my hand and create a negative space hand print, but its no Cuevas de las manos.

                            Art IS relative.

                            And Hoppe (qualitatively speaking, on the basis of his purile understanding history and the human condition) is an idiot.
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                              Originally posted by thalassa View Post
                              Standards are for quantifiable concepts rooted in the concrete and objective. You can do it with qualitative concepts, but you aren't looking at a concept any more, but rather what people *think* about a concept, and those are not the same thing.
                              Quantifiable concepts, rooted in the concrete and objective? Relativism denies the craft of art, the essence of art, the very notion of artistic merit itself. It can be anything, a jar of mayonnaise filled with lug nuts is art. It needn't be skillfully constructed nor inspirational, it just is.

                              I despise the very notion of relativism as the degeneracy that it is.
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                                Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                                Originally posted by Denarius View Post

                                I despise the very notion of relativism as the degeneracy that it is.
                                I despise people who keep trying to shut down conversations with long words such as marmalade and corrugated.
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