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    Re: They are willing to destroy this country

    If memory serves here, this process is a long one. I suspect we will be almost out of this term before we reach a conclusion. So we would end up with a very brief Pelosi presidency if they were both ousted.

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      Re: They are willing to destroy this country

      Originally posted by Prickly Pear View Post
      If memory serves here, this process is a long one. I suspect we will be almost out of this term before we reach a conclusion. So we would end up with a very brief Pelosi presidency if they were both ousted.
      That make take a long time but at least the impeachment process is the first step to impeach Chump. Pence will have his chance to join the impeachment party.

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        Re: They are willing to destroy this country

        Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post
        Sure, there is. US continuance of government plans are rather long*. If Trump and Pence are simultaneously impeached and convicted then we get President Pelosi. Not my favorite option but I'm really not feeling picky right now. We may suck at removing presidents but we have in-depth contingencies to prevent a power vacuum at that level.

        * Going of wiki, the current line of succession runs through 17 different offices. 14 of those offices are held by people who are definitely eligible to serve as POTUS if necessary and two of which are held by people who might be eligible. The only person in line who definitely can't replace Trump is Chao because she's a naturalized citizen and therefore Constitutionally prohibited from serving as President.
        Yeah, the system is "organized" rather simply...but I'm talking in terms of ramifications, mainly from followers. If Trump being in office empowered racists/violence, then the spectacle of the ongoing proceedings are going to get even uglier. And with the turn over, yeah Pelosi can step in, but then the "us vs them" mentality of the two party system is gonna make a gridlock on actually getting anything fixed or improved.

        Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but even if everything goes smoothly with the impeachment and we manage to you know, get the kids out of cages and stop with the homestead terrorism, there's still a lot of trauma to process, and a lot of noise that's going to be drowning everything else out.
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          Re: They are willing to destroy this country

          Even being impeached doesn't mean he'll be removed from office. People seem to forget that has already happened as well. Clinton was impeached and remained in office. it also doesn't mean he couldn't run for a second term of office and win again.
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            Re: They are willing to destroy this country

            Originally posted by monsno_leedra View Post
            Even being impeached doesn't mean he'll be removed from office. People seem to forget that has already happened as well. Clinton was impeached and remained in office. it also doesn't mean he couldn't run for a second term of office and win again.
            Ehh, I put even odds on people forgetting and people just not feeling like saying, "Impeached and convicted" every time so they use Impeach and expect the other party to understand they mean both. I can safely say that I'm well aware that Impeachmemt is step 1 in a 2 step procedure. I can also safely say that I'm lazy so there is a distinct possibility that I have not always said, "impeached and convicted."
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              Re: They are willing to destroy this country

              Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post
              Ehh, I put even odds on people forgetting and people just not feeling like saying, "Impeached and convicted" every time so they use Impeach and expect the other party to understand they mean both. I can safely say that I'm well aware that Impeachmemt is step 1 in a 2 step procedure. I can also safely say that I'm lazy so there is a distinct possibility that I have not always said, "impeached and convicted."
              I'd agree that people probably have forgotten. I just find it funny. The media, celebs, the general public all screaming "Impeach" yet it doesn't mean it will be a conviction or removal from office. We've had two sitting Presidents impeached and neither was convicted nor removed from office. Realistically, there won't be a conviction here either.
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                Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                It will tell us, though, which politicians are interested in protecting a law-breaking president, and which are interested in protecting the Constitution of The United States of America.

                One of those indicates a patriot, the other a traitor to the country.

                Usually, things are confusing, and right and wrong are, perhaps, subject to interpretation. Sometimes, though, there are only two sides, one is clearly right, the other is clearly wrong, and each person has to decide which side they are on because not chosing puts you on the side of "wrong."

                This is one of those times.
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                  Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                  Well, today's press conference with the Presidents of the USA and Finland was...interesting. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders had heart surgery. I wonder if he'll continue his campaign. He has good ideas, but they have loose ends. Medicare for all sounds great, but as it is now, Medicare for seniors costs about $135./month for the additional parts you need, and even all that doesn't provide the level of coverage you get pre-Medicare from a private-pay or employer-based plan. So what are they going to do? Offer a better package and charge everyone $1K a month? Offer the same as it is now and make people pay more in taxes for it? Either way, (excuse me for sounding jaded, but I am jaded), I don't see a possible scenario where people will get as good or better insurance than what's in place now, and have the same amount of money left at the end of the month, particularly Social Security recipients. Remember, the ACA was supposed to solve all these problems, but every loophole that could be found, was.
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                    Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                    just something that hit me.

                    How in almost 25 years into this new century are we still dealing with the things we spent blood and treasure to kill off in the last century in two wars to end ALL WARS?
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                      Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                      Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                      just something that hit me.

                      How in almost 25 years into this new century are we still dealing with the things we spent blood and treasure to kill off in the last century in two wars to end ALL WARS?
                      They discovered that war makes money.
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                        Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                        yes i wrote about that

                        Machine gun Business Blues

                        Markets dropped to record lows, as the war slid to its end
                        Machine gun makers everywhere, forecast this movement as a trend
                        They re tooled their machinery, to build something that would last
                        They had consulted with the mystics, about the future and the past

                        The seers gazed within the glass, and pondered rune and sign
                        Decrypted secret mysteries, and checked if the planets were inline
                        The answer was so simple for a product that would always sell
                        A full metalergic casket, that would survive the fires of hell

                        Though common men had not the cash, to buy this splendid urn
                        The masters of the war machine, had much money they could burn
                        The authors of destruction, found this bargain was a steal
                        To keep the rif raf from protesting, the inking of this deal

                        The market is responding, numbers soaring toward the moon
                        If guns won't sell, fear of hell, sends the index into a boom
                        The average man seldom understands, the ups and downs of life
                        But the smart moneys set, bet on the beginning and ends of strife



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                        all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
                        NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
                        don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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                          Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                          Exactly!

                          The only market doing well today is real estate/mortgages. Hmm. Interesting.
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                            Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                            Single payer systems cost demonstrably less than private insurance. The seeming difference is that with private insurance, if you cant afford it..you just don't get it. That's not a savings.

                            Our fly by night private system simply occludes the fact that most people can't afford good health. Nevermind good healthcare.

                            Single payer is a cheaper way to get that, good health, good healthcare...not a cheaper way to get the nothing coverage the private sector is fat off of.

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                            -full disclosure, the wife and I have 5 kids between us and we're not poor enough to get mc, though...after you deduct our private insurance premiums and copays..we would be! Joy of joys, lol. If I wasn't a vet we'd struggle to afford the premiums and still wouldn't qualify for mc.

                            Six figure salaries, no mortgage, no car loan, no credit cards....living paycheck to paycheck (and I only get payed once a year).

                            I'd say this place is already pretty much destroyed, since we're the lucky ones.
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                              Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                              It'd be exquisite if Mother Pence turned out to be the whistleblower. Or young Barron - we never know what that kid's up to.
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                                Re: They are willing to destroy this country

                                Maybe it's Arch Criminal Mastermind Bannon, still out to destroy American government and rebuild it in his own image.

                                I think tRump MUST be impeached, or we decide that our constitution is just a quaint old document.

                                But I also see a bad moon rising. The two legged pot can not stand; instability results.
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