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    Re: Yulin Is Barbaric

    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    Chickens, goat, pigs and sheep are common in Australia. I also know people who keep kangaroos as pets. And you can buy it at the local store. Is it ok to eat your national emblem?
    Well I live in USA and the common household pet is dogs and cats.

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    Re: Yulin Is Barbaric

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    Well I live in USA and the common household pet is dogs and cats.
    That BMH is to your perspective only. Pot Bellied pigs are a pretty common pet for instance. Spider Monkey's are rather common as pets as well and knew more than a few who had them, including one of my aunts who always warned us kids to leave hers alone.

    The fact you live in New York city may limit the variety of "pets" you routinely encounter. Where I live dogs are just as likely to be hunting dogs and around the home as pets if not more likely to be hunting dogs. A pet dog might also be a field dog and often used to protect herd animals and be left outside or stay in barns, out buildings, etc but still be seen as both a pet and a working animal. To a degree the same could be said of cats to keep rodent populations down, though feral populations might be destroyed without hesitation.

    The idea of what is a common pet differs quite a bit depending upon whether one is city, rural, country and what region of the country. Heck one could argue it even depends upon the legal definition of wild or domesticated as I've seen more than a few so called "Wild" animals that people recognized as pets but legally they would be destroyed as they are considered as wild. One of the issues with feeding wild animals, especially young ones, and having them get used to human scents and accepting food from us. But that is a different issue.

    Personally I think you have two separate issues here and you are not separating them. There is the matter of eating meat regardless of which type of animal it comes from. Then there is the issue of how the animal is killed to obtain that meat. Eating the animal I have no issue with. How it is killed that I do and try to influence that process when and how I can. A quick death and as painless as possible should in my opinion be the desired goal. A method that seeks to inflict long term suffering, agony and brutality I do not think is appropriate. Especially one that seeks to cause a long drawn out death process.

    But as I said as to which type of meat different strokes for different folks.
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    I was a volunteer at a soup kitchen back in SF,and someone had a mouse trapped by a "Sticky" trap. They tossed the still living mouse into a trash can. I fished it out,and killed it with my knife. I got all kinds of grief for being so cruel,how could I be so unfeeling just stabbing the mouse to death rather letting it starve to death as was the natural, out of sight way of dealing with bothersome vermin.....

    So,now tell me how well we here in America treat living things(do NOT read up on the meat culture here in America,never ask about breeding chickens in factory farms,or pigs,or cows)

    It "Might" make you stop eating meat forever.

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    Well I live in USA and the common household pet is dogs and cats.
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    Country folks seem to have had a less fond idea about Dogs and Cats on a farm.

    Recognize that working farm dogs and cats are not pets
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    Re: Yulin Is Barbaric

    Starvation traps suck. We've used those sticky traps but once a mouse is caught we finish it off right away so it doesn't suffer. We try the catch and release traps as much as possible but they seem to work for a short time then stop. Living in the country we get lots of field mice, especially when it starts getting onto winter. Don't mind them to much in the out buildings and such but in the house where they get in the pantries and such can't have that. The out buildings are not to bad except they also draw in the snakes which black snakes aren't to bad but also draws in some of the poison ones as well and that can't have.

    Lucky we have a number of feral cats in the area and the smaller predator foxes, bobcats and such keep the stuff from the forest and fields down pretty much along with our avian raptors.

    I guess for me the barbaric nature people keep going on about doesn't really bother me since I live with nature pretty much and see nature first hand. Man can be cruel but nature is cruel and does some really wicked stuff. People in my opinion like to fall back on the they are civilized and such but forget we're simply predators ourselves and it's in our nature. The civilized a life they think they have the more people tend to find fought. Yet realistically the closer they are to being willing to to slaughter and be un-civilized themselves they are.

    I recall being in Odessa in the Ukraine and speaking to a mother who put her 12 and 14 year old daughter out as prostitutes. She didn't want to but the economy had fallen, their social position had gone to nothing and they were struggling to survive and doing all they could to get by. A mighty fall from the position they held before it all went down. Most of what they ate came in from what her daughters earned on their backs. There was a fleet exercise and a lot of ships in port at the time and her daughters were competing with all the prostitutes brought in from all over the region. Never forgot it, ended up with a mother asking me why I didn't want her 12 year old daughter and all it would cost me was about 50 dollars and I could do anything I wanted. That was around 1997.

    Guess it's stuff like that is why I tend not to get upset or worry about what people eat meat wise overseas or if it was a pet in the US. That or even really take certain rituals / ceremonies to serious even if they could be seen as barbaric. Yeah it could be perhaps less painful for the animal being used for the ritual feast but that's about it.
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    Wow what a can of worms.

    These Yulin dogs are bred for they meat. Their lives and purpose have been determined by the humans who brood them. Just as we breed certain cow species to make milk, and some to make meat. Like we breed certain dog species together to make better breeds for different purposes: hunting, companionship, security, handicap aid.

    We make animals serve us, as mere tools of nature, as we have done with everything else. And it will go on until the end of humankind.
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    Well, well, well...the luxury of the non starving. It's nice, isn't it? We all get to pick and choose just which food we want to eat. What a wonderfu....eh. Eff it.

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    True is true...A lot of things we eat we seldom ask where it comes from. That goose liver thing,where they force the goose to eat till its liver bursts,Pate Foie gras

    Or caves liver,killing a calf(fatted I guess) as in the prodigal son and boiled alive Crab and lobster...Humans are not above a little torture to spice their food..
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    Re: Yulin Is Barbaric

    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    That BMH is to your perspective only. Pot Bellied pigs are a pretty common pet for instance. Spider Monkey's are rather common as pets as well and knew more than a few who had them, including one of my aunts who always warned us kids to leave hers alone.

    The fact you live in New York city may limit the variety of "pets" you routinely encounter. Where I live dogs are just as likely to be hunting dogs and around the home as pets if not more likely to be hunting dogs. A pet dog might also be a field dog and often used to protect herd animals and be left outside or stay in barns, out buildings, etc but still be seen as both a pet and a working animal. To a degree the same could be said of cats to keep rodent populations down, though feral populations might be destroyed without hesitation.

    The idea of what is a common pet differs quite a bit depending upon whether one is city, rural, country and what region of the country. Heck one could argue it even depends upon the legal definition of wild or domesticated as I've seen more than a few so called "Wild" animals that people recognized as pets but legally they would be destroyed as they are considered as wild. One of the issues with feeding wild animals, especially young ones, and having them get used to human scents and accepting food from us. But that is a different issue.

    Personally I think you have two separate issues here and you are not separating them. There is the matter of eating meat regardless of which type of animal it comes from. Then there is the issue of how the animal is killed to obtain that meat. Eating the animal I have no issue with. How it is killed that I do and try to influence that process when and how I can. A quick death and as painless as possible should in my opinion be the desired goal. A method that seeks to inflict long term suffering, agony and brutality I do not think is appropriate. Especially one that seeks to cause a long drawn out death process.

    But as I said as to which type of meat different strokes for different folks.
    Ok so maybe the variety of animals are considered housepets as well.

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    Our goats at home are more like dogs than our dogs are. Even though we do eat them (we actually don't have any at the moment, since my sister got married around the same time I graduated high school... you figure out the rest) we send them to a butcher to take care of it. Even my real-men-don't-have-feelings dad can't bring himself to kill what is basically an edible pet.

    As far as this actual festival, I've heard of protests from the locals, and that the number of dogs eaten has fallen dramatically. With any luck, we'll see the end of this festival, or at least the humane treatment of the animals (and no more stealing pets) before the mid century.Our goats at home are more like dogs than our dogs are. Even though we do eat them (we actually don't have any at the moment, since my sister got married around the same time I graduated high school... you figure out the rest) we send them to a butcher to take care of it. Even my real-men-don't-have-feelings dad can't bring himself to kill what is basically an edible pet.

    As far as this actual festival, I've heard of protests from the locals, and that the number of dogs eaten has fallen dramatically. With any luck, we'll see the end of this festival, or at least the humane treatment of the animals (and no more stealing pets) before the mid century.

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    I was watching this I guess "reality show" kinda like survivor,where this group of people had to live as their ancestors had for a period of time. Farming and no modern goodies..but when it came to slaughtering the animals for food,NO ONE in the group could do the deed,and they had to have an outside Butcher slaughter the animals...so it seems we have traveled a LONG way from our brutish past,and now are so civilized that we can not watch as our meat is prepared for us.

    Good,Bad? who really knows,at some time they will grow our chow in a Petri dish

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    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

    Trust lost,is trust never regained.

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