Do they not, then, ponder about the Qur‘an? Had it been from someone other than Allah, they would have found in it much discrepancy. [4:82]
Perhaps some of them (individually) are.
For morality as a whole...I'd say its likely and that the reason there is so much variety between systems of morality and individual morals that do not overlap is a combination of cultural evolution and cultural adaptation (the anthropological term, not the common term for cultural adjustment)
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“You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom
“We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
"We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History
"Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett
Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
At the end of the day, there are any number of interpretations of the LoH (because he's a well known and easy target but I could pound on others if I were in the mood) that are really not anything I would call good. If there were a god that happened to be a fan of uncondition election then I'm gonna be really sympathetic to the devil.
"It is not simply enough to know the light…a Jedi must feel the tension between the two sides of the Force…in himself and in the universe."
"When to the Force you truly give yourself, all you do expresses the truth of who you are,"
Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
"But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."
John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper
"You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."
Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis
I said earlier that I'm a fan of civil disobedience when a law is clearly bad. Even if I believed in a god I would be willing to refuse bad law from the mouth-of-god, and suffer the punishment.
I know I'm not alone in this.
The other reason for doing/not doing something is that it's the right choice.
I am the sword,
The scorned transfigured child
FREE AMERIKA: Karma is a nasty lady in a pantsuit
"If even half of what people say about God is true, the sociopath should be executed." - Phineas Thindick
It does happen that the law and the right thing are sometimes very opposite.
I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.
The wizard be in: But be warned if you poke him to much,the standard wand of anal probing +10 may be utilized.
It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....
I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.
Trust lost,is trust never regained.
If I might derail the thread for just one moment...
OP started this dicussion by citing Conservapedia. Conservapedia underwent a project to remove liberal bias from THE BIBLE. They have such a rigid view of morality that even the Big Man himself can't stack up.
Now back to the topic at hand...
While there are no objective set of rules followed by every culture, nearly all of them have some variant of the "golden rule", and most value empathy at least to some degree. And because humans are a social, co-operative species, empathy is an innate biological process that makes cooperation possible and relatively balanced. Anything beyond that can also be explained without a god, as it is stems from a need to not be kicked out of the tribe.
Civil disobedience is a hit-or-miss thing. How it's viewed depends on your culture, and history. Rosa Parks? She lived in an individualistic society, and the aftermath of the Civil Rights movement shines in her favor. If you're from a society that values obeying authority (even when it's stupid), and your cause loses in the end, you're just a troublemaker who disrespects your group.
I believe having a belief system is a must for moral guidance. Doesn't mean it has to be a religion, but everybody needs something to believe in and be moral for.