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    Ragnarok and dead gods...

    So...

    It occurred to me that if Baldur and Hodur are a precedent then gods that die end up in Hel's halls. This would mean that

    A. Dead is sort of relative when it comes to deities
    B. While death is certainly long lasting, the potentiallity exists that they may not stay dead. Yes, Baldur and Hodur returning involves application of the end of the world but nothing guarantees that won't happen more than once.

    Am I missing something or is this line of logic sound?
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    Re: Ragnarok and dead gods...

    No that sounds pretty right. They may be dead but they still exist. But also someone once tried to explain something to me which made perfect sense, and which I will now butcher. It's kind of cyclical, sure they're dead, but they're also not. Loki is tied to a stone somewhere being burnt by snake poison too. You would think worshipping a dead god would be pointless, but that's the thing that they're not... And.... this isn't making much sense. Sorry. I tried ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    So...

    It occurred to me that if Baldur and Hodur are a precedent then gods that die end up in Hel's halls. This would mean that

    A. Dead is sort of relative when it comes to deities
    B. While death is certainly long lasting, the potentiallity exists that they may not stay dead. Yes, Baldur and Hodur returning involves application of the end of the world but nothing guarantees that won't happen more than once.

    Am I missing something or is this line of logic sound?
    The end of the world happens more than once is my understanding...
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    Re: Ragnarok and dead gods...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    So...

    It occurred to me that if Baldur and Hodur are a precedent then gods that die end up in Hel's halls. This would mean that

    A. Dead is sort of relative when it comes to deities
    B. While death is certainly long lasting, the potentiallity exists that they may not stay dead. Yes, Baldur and Hodur returning involves application of the end of the world but nothing guarantees that won't happen more than once.

    Am I missing something or is this line of logic sound?
    It's sound logic, plus there is some more background info that relates to the topic.

    The Aesir aren't immortal, and never were immortal. They are naturally long lived, but they stay young and alive by eating Idhunn's (Idunna) apples. This is why Idhunn was such a coveted person who was stolen (and retrieved from) the jotunn Thjazi (though there is a theory that she was actually kidnapped by the Aesir to begin with, as she is actually of alfar descent).

    Also, dying and going off to live in Helheim was not necessarily a done deal. After Baldr's death, Hermodhr went off to Helheim to petition Hel to let Baldur return to Asgardhr. Hel actually consented on the condition that all things weep for Baldr's death... Loki stuffed that up too by disguising himself as a giantess and refusing to weep. At Ragnarok, the hosts of the dead (will) fight with the Jotnar, hence Odhinn collecting slain human warriors in Valhalla (to bulk out his own army). At the end of Ragnarok, a number of gods are returned to life, including Baldr and Hodhr.

    So 'death' in the Nine Worlds is not quite the same as death here in Thisworld. For residents of the Nine Worlds it's more like moving... moving to Helheim. Which is permanent unless Hel decides to let you out (which she doesn't tend to do).

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