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    Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Theoretical physicist Sean Carroll explains why he believes that science will one day be able to prove God does not exist.

    https://www.livescience.com/23251-sc...d-physics.html
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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Well, really it is more about eliminating the "God of the gaps" than disproving God. Even if you can reach a complete, or near enough, understanding of the natural world... that does not imply an understanding of the supernatural. Rather from our understanding it would be impossible to do so, by definition.
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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Science doesn't deal in proofs, you want maths for that. Science deals with evidence and the balance of probabilities. Whether enough evidence will ever exist to 'definitively' declare god non-existent depends on the person and the definition of god.

    A god that is defined to intercede in the universe will be easy to observe. One that simply set all the parameters for whatever preceded the big bang and thereafter does nothing is impossible to observe, and always will be based on current understanding.

    As for the person - well, we still have people believing in a flat Earth even though they could commission a plane to fly high enough to see the curvature. Some people will continue to believe or dis-believe regardless of evidence.

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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    well first how are you gonna define what "god" is. but yeah science has been doing a good job for years proving that there is something a bit more to the unverse then just basic material building blocks..there is a logic and reason to how things are.

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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    God is beyond humans comprehension in my opinion. As heylel shalem said " define what god is". Humans have so many different views and definitions when it comes to god.

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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Science isn't designed to prove a general/universal/infinite negative (it can, however, accumulate evidence of a specific, finite negative). For that matter, it doesn't "prove" anything in the affirmative either, it simply accumulates evidence that supports or disproves a hypothesis.

    To accumulate evidence that God does not exist, one would have to do the following

    --Define God--What it its substance? Where does it live? What actions does it take? How is it observable?
    --Design an experiment that looks for the existence of God according to those parameters.

    Even then, all this does is "prove" that God does not exist according to X definition at Y time in Z place.
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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Some theologies rely on mind-body dualism. If science can reduce all subjective experiences into mere neuronal firing in the brain then we can safely eliminate the gods of those theologies. On the contrary there are proofs which show that strong AI is impossible implying that human understanding (intuition) is something which cannot be simulated on an Universal Turing machine shifting the probability of existence in favor of these theologies or gods.

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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    On the contrary there are proofs which show that strong AI is impossible implying that human understanding (intuition) is something which cannot be simulated on an Universal Turing machine shifting the probability of existence in favor of these theologies or gods.
    Where would I find these proofs?

    Have they been reviewed by a credible institution?
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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    --Design an experiment that looks for the existence of God according to those parameters.
    While experimental data is preferable it is not always possible. The theory of evolution was accepted without any conclusive experiment, but rather observational data. And even now there isn't one definitive experiment biologists could point to - unlike physicists who can for instance point to the Michelson-Morley experiment which was the death knell for theories of ether. Same in medicine - epidemiology is nearly entirely observational rather than experimental.

    I think evidence of god(s), for most given definitions, will not be experimental.

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    If science can reduce all subjective experiences into mere neuronal firing in the brain then we can safely eliminate the gods of those theologies.
    I'm only familiar with Abrahamic faiths having mind-body dulaism - are they prominent in Pagan theologies too?

    Given Abrahamic theologies developed well before Descartes developed a more thorough idea of dualism i suspect they would have little problem reverting to other ideas to maintain the existence of self separate form the body . You can always fall back on 'ahah, but god wants it to look like that and he can do anything he wants...' which fundamentalist Christians seem fond of today.

    And why is it mere neuronal firing? That the universe can manifest in patterns in which consciousness arises is surely far more wondrous than some super being merely placing consciousness in some biological vessel.

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    On the contrary there are proofs which show that strong AI is impossible implying that human understanding (intuition) is something which cannot be simulated on an Universal Turing machine shifting the probability of existence in favour of these theologies or gods.
    I too look forward to seeing these proofs. I wonder whether they will be logical proofs; just how Aristotle concluded that the moon must be perfectly spherical and heavy objects fall faster than light objects. His logic was sound.

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    Re: Can science prove God doesn't exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    If science can reduce all subjective experiences into mere neuronal firing in the brain then we can safely eliminate the gods of those theologies.

    What this seems to imply to me that our "GODS" exist mainly as our concept of souls, your thoughts? Souls=GODS???
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