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    Platonic Realism

    Platonic realism is the only philosophical position which has withstood the test of times.

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    Platonic realism is the only philosophical position which has withstood the test of times.

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    That's nice. Care to tell us a bit about it?
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Sooo. let me guess. Trying to understand things is a worthless pursuit?

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    That's nice. Care to tell us a bit about it?
    Platonic realism is the idea that universals exist independent of space-time and is accessible via the Intellect. Human beings have a priori knowledge of these universals right from the time of creation of the soul. For example:- sweetness, redness, mathematical truths etc are all entities that have an existence of their own.


    Moreover the visible world is just a mere shadow copy of these universals. How does the intellect access the forms? Helios emits the divine light and stimulates the activity of the intellect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillar View Post
    Sooo. let me guess. Trying to understand things is a worthless pursuit?
    Yes, trying to understand things of the visible world is a worthless pursuit while understanding the invisible is not.
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    So a statement like "Helios emits the divine light and stimulates the activity of the intellect" is an axiom of "...the only philosophical position that has withstood the test of time"?

    There is another philosophy called " science" that could make a similar statement, without the ambiguously meaningless words (divine light, activity of the intellect), and test that statement to determine it's accuracy.

    Therefore, it looks to me as if the sweeping generalization ("only philosophical position") is false.
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    So a statement like "Helios emits the divine light and stimulates the activity of the intellect" is an axiom of "...the only philosophical position that has withstood the test of time"?
    Its not an axiom, that's an empirical fact.

    There is another philosophy called " science" that could make a similar statement, without the ambiguously meaningless words (divine light, activity of the intellect), and test that statement to determine it's accuracy.
    Perhaps people who are not initiated into the mysteries may not easily understand it. Oh, btw many scientists like Roger Penrose and Bernard have already seen the truth through the scientific method. Thank you!

    "In fact, there is much in his treatise that is purely scientific in the most modern sense, having to do with the action of light, the sun's effect upon the seasons as well as the circulations of the planets around the sun, which "dance about him as their king, in certain intervals, fixed in relation to him." Most intriguing of all is the idea of the function of the sun in stimulating thought and the higher faculties. Referring to the Phoenicians, Julian cites their teaching that "the rays of light everywhere diffused are the undefiled incarnation [imbodiment] of pure mind." Modern scientists are within an ace of confirming some of these more recondite facts for themselves. "

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    Therefore, it looks to me as if the sweeping generalization ("only philosophical position") is false.
    It is not a sweeping generalization, it might be offending to people who hold different philosophical positions but you cannot hide the truth for too long.
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Oh dear. It appears I am too ignorant to engage in this conversation.
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    That is ok,B, De. I might be able to translate into low level jargon,such as intellectual speak to 1984 kind of explanation. Peace is war and such.

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    I'm always weary of the words "initiation" "mysteries" and "truth" used in a religious context. Because at the end of the day we're human. We don't know the truth. And anything that claims to have some kind of mystical secret and knowledge that requires initiation has a slight taste of cult to me... Not that it always is. Just that that's my personal experience more often than not.
    There are scientific bits in there sure. Like. We need the sun? Really no arguing with that. But there's a lot of pseudo science posing as science to the untrained eye. Generally, a flow and poetic language and a lot of metaphors in a scientific piece of writing is a sign that you're moving our of actual science and in to a more subjective view point. A good scientist will never pass their personal beliefs off as conclusive truth to the world.
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    well said Iris.
    I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
    Mark Twain

    Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.

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    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

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