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    Re: Platonic Realism

    one thing is always true,no matter how much incense you burn around it, BS is always BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    Taoism and Jainism fail to acknowledge the existence of an omnipotent anthropomorphic being which Plato identifies with the GOOD or The Sun.
    I'm a little late to the party — delurking after a year or so — but I can't resist this one. Exactly where does Plato equate the Good and the Sun. In Republic 6.508 he says that the Sun stands in relation to visible things as the Good does no inteligables; not that they are the same. And where does he say that the Good is an "omnipotent anthropomorphic being"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    I'm a little late to the party — delurking after a year or so — but I can't resist this one. Exactly where does Plato equate the Good and the Sun. In Republic 6.508 he says that the Sun stands in relation to visible things as the Good does no inteligables; not that they are the same.
    Read here:
    The Symbolism of the Sun and Light in the Republic of Plato. II

    And where does he say that the Good is an "omnipotent anthropomorphic being"?
    The Demiurge is an anthropomorphic being.

    Read here:
    The Good or The Demiurge: Causation and the Unity of Good in Plato

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanRave View Post
    Wait so all you're saying is "My religion is true, therefore others are false." That is the least useful explanation ever.

    What about Satanism? How can you disprove that what I have seen and experienced is false, even though you have no way of disproving my own internal knowledge? You can try to explain it, of course, just as Christianity explained many psychiatric problems with possession.

    All you're saying that if you are a follower of your religion, then you have to consider all others as false.

    Astrology doesn't accurately predict nothing, as life isn't predictable. Maybe you can guess a possible outcome based on probability, but I don't believe in fate nor destiny, only the chaos and rules that govern it.

    Who documented rain rituals? On what basis?

    The article about yoga, at the very end, claims scientific proof without really citing any of the findings, that is fishy enough for me to disregard the whole thing as unverifiable.

    I don't know man, you say the truth will come out eventually, so why bother trying to spread it?
    The beauty of the doctrine of Emanationism is that we can identify where each god exists in the hierarchy. I cannot really disprove ones experience of something unless they somehow manifest those experiences onto the visible world. For ex: the raptures of Saint Teresa of Avila.

    If your Satan is just one of the gods in an hierarchy of heavens then it is quite easy to prove that he is not the original creator of the Cosmos.

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post

    If your Satan is just one of the gods in an hierarchy of heavens then it is quite easy to prove that he is not the original creator of the Cosmos.
    How do you prove such a hierarchy exists in the first place?
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    I am wondering just why this line of reasoning should be a path to anything enlightening. Seems circler only.
    I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
    Mark Twain

    Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.

    The wizard be in: But be warned if you poke him to much,the standard wand of anal probing +10 may be utilized.

    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

    Trust lost,is trust never regained.

    http://www.paganforum.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=186&dateline=1330020104

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    kind of like this.

    I must have a prodigious quantity of mind; it takes me as much as a week sometimes to make it up.
    Mark Twain

    Somewhat like Hunter S. Thompson who was called a gonzo Journalist,I consider myself to be something of a gonzo Pagan.

    The wizard be in: But be warned if you poke him to much,the standard wand of anal probing +10 may be utilized.

    It is interesting that humans seem to believe that they are the crown of creation,until nature drops a house on them....Just saying....

    I have decided that I no longer want to be an adult... If anyone needs me, I'll be in my blanket fort, coloring.

    Trust lost,is trust never regained.

    http://www.paganforum.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=186&dateline=1330020104

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by SeanRave View Post
    How do you prove such a hierarchy exists in the first place?
    People across different cultures have claimed that such an hierarchy exists.

    "It is reasonable to agree that when there is a core agreement in the religious experiences of people in different times, places, and traditions, and when they have the same rational interpretations of the experiences; it makes sense to conclude that they are all in contact with some objective aspect of reality, unless there is positive evidence otherwise."

    - Charlie Dunbar Broad, Argument from Religious experience

    Egyptians (Ogdoad), Greco-Romans (
    Orphic mysteries - Phanes), Gnostic Christians (Pleroma), Taoists (Inner gods), Indo-Persians (Hiranyagarbha) have all claimed that such an hierarchy exists and there are sufficient reasons to believe in them.

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    So you said that all other religions were false, but now you're using what others say to show that your religion is true? I don't get it.

    Sidenote: in the words of the soothsayer-ing bard "In the end only kindness matters".
    “I am Cat and I walk alone and all ways are the same to me.” ~Rudyard Kipling, The Cat Who Walks By Himself

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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by saura View Post
    sufficient reasons to believe in them.
    Which sufficient reasons?
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    Re: Platonic Realism

    Quote Originally Posted by faye_cat View Post
    So you said that all other religions were false, but now you're using what others say to show that your religion is true? I don't get it.
    May be I did not set the context right. Yes, the major orthodox religions of the world are all false but there are few people from these same religions who have abandoned orthodoxy and established a new esoteric religion after realizing the truth of Platonic realism. For example:

    Paul and Valentinus - Paul abandoned Judaism after realizing the truth and went on to spread out a new Gospel. Valentinus, the 2nd century Christian followed in Paul footsteps and established the largest gnostic movement challenging the orthodoxy of Irenaeus and Tertullian. Every gnostic scholar knows how Platonic the theology of Valentinianism is.

    Padmasambhava - He is the second founder of Buddhism and the father of Vajrayana Buddhism and this form of Buddhism is highly Platonic.

    As you can see these esoteric religions are not the major representatives of a religion and my war is against these major representatives who are off the truth by a long way. So while the outer exoteric layers of all world religions are false there are rare sub sects with in these religions who possess knowledge of the true conception of reality.

    Sidenote: in the words of the soothsayer-ing bard "In the end only kindness matters".
    I am at war against the orthodox religions of the world and my arrogance is consistent with my beliefs.

    "Knowledge of the Truth make us very arrogant and it even gives us a sense of superiority over the whole world."

    - Gospel of Philip

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanRave View Post
    Which sufficient reasons?
    How do you explain the similar experiential insights by people from different cultures across varying timelines? Their revelations proves that an hierarchy exists and people who have gone on that route were never disappointed because the Platonic realm indeed exists.


    "While Buddhism is deemed nontheistic, the Vedas are regarded as polytheistic, and the Bible is monotheistic, we have seen that the cosmogonies of Vajrayana Buddhism, Vedanta, and Neoplatonic Christianity have so much in common that they could almost be regarded as varying interpretations of a single theory. Moreover, the commonality does not end there, for in the Near East, the writings of Plotinus (205-270) also influenced Islamic and Jewish theories of creation. This apparent unity could be attributed to mere coincidence, or to the historical propagation of a single, speculative, metaphysical theory throughout south Asia and the Near East. For example, the Upanishads may well have influenced the writings of early Mahayana thinkers in India, and they could also have made their way to the Near East, where they might have inspired the writings of Plotinus. On the other hand, Plotinus declared that his theories were based on his own experiential insights, and similar claims have been made by many Buddhist and Vedantin contemplatives. If these cosmogonies are indeed based upon valid introspective knowledge, then there may some plausibility to the claims of many contemplatives throughout the world that introspective inquiry can lead to knowledge, not only of the ultimate ground of being, but of the fundamental laws of nature as well."

    - Dr. Alan Wallace, Buddhist scholar

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