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    On my path, Tiamat is just one of those deities you don't really work with. She doesn't seem interested at all in human affairs or interactions. You can of course try to win her favor. But what could a human do to please such a being? Not much, imho.
    Any particular reason why you think so? I have heard of folks claiming to work with her, particularly in the LHP community, and you seem to be a Theistic Satanist so that is interesting.

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    Any particular reason why you think so? I have heard of folks claiming to work with her, particularly in the LHP community, and you seem to be a Theistic Satanist so that is interesting.
    I cannot comment for SeanRave, but the entity within my "pantheon" not dissimilar to Tiamat is Rahav (Rahab).

    I suspect that the reasons which Tiamat is not worked with actively is akin to the reason that Rahav is not worked with actively. That is, there are some primordial entities whose sentience is not equatable with the sentience of deities such as those found in many "mainstream" cultures and traditions. These primordial beings are so ancient and of such a different plane of existence that they do not recognise nor interact with human beings - or many (if any) other beings for that matter.

    Take into consideration the fact that who or what one "works with" is, of course, all Unverified Personal Gnosis. In other words, YMMV. There are many potential explanations for others "working with" "Tiamat" or "Rahav" in a perceptibly active manner.

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    Re: Real Dragon Deities

    If I were seriously looking at Tiamat, what would probably put me off is

    A) I'm not entirely sure how intact she is...
    Going by wiki, Marduk killed her and formed the Heavens and the Earth from her body. Unlike various Norse powers where Ragnarok is expected to end them but Ragnarok's date is open to question, Tiamat is theoretically dead and her body has been used as part of the creation that mortals are familiar with.

    B) While I find Tiamat more sympathetic* than a lot of beings that deities are said to have warred against, I'm less than certain that the feeling would be mutual and I like breathing well enough not to be overly enthused with inviting the divine mother of dragons to put an end to my continued breathing.


    *her kids plotted against and killed her husband. Tiamat saying, "**** this, you're all dying today," is a perfectly natural response to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torey View Post
    I cannot comment for SeanRave, but the entity within my "pantheon" not dissimilar to Tiamat is Rahav (Rahab).

    I suspect that the reasons which Tiamat is not worked with actively is akin to the reason that Rahav is not worked with actively. That is, there are some primordial entities whose sentience is not equatable with the sentience of deities such as those found in many "mainstream" cultures and traditions. These primordial beings are so ancient and of such a different plane of existence that they do not recognise nor interact with human beings - or many (if any) other beings for that matter.

    Take into consideration the fact that who or what one "works with" is, of course, all Unverified Personal Gnosis. In other words, YMMV. There are many potential explanations for others "working with" "Tiamat" or "Rahav" in a perceptibly active manner.
    That is quite interesting, considering how the entity managed to enter the human cosmology in a very real anthropomorphized form (often that of a dragon). What do you think would be some of the potential explanations for others "working with" these entities in a "perceptibly active" manner?

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    If I were seriously looking at Tiamat, what would probably put me off is

    A) I'm not entirely sure how intact she is...
    Going by wiki, Marduk killed her and formed the Heavens and the Earth from her body. Unlike various Norse powers where Ragnarok is expected to end them but Ragnarok's date is open to question, Tiamat is theoretically dead and her body has been used as part of the creation that mortals are familiar with.

    B) While I find Tiamat more sympathetic* than a lot of beings that deities are said to have warred against, I'm less than certain that the feeling would be mutual and I like breathing well enough not to be overly enthused with inviting the divine mother of dragons to put an end to my continued breathing.


    *her kids plotted against and killed her husband. Tiamat saying, "**** this, you're all dying today," is a perfectly natural response to that.
    I suppose that makes sense. I wonder how/why folks invite the divine mother of dragons considering her "instability". I wonder what sort of relationship they may have with her but like Torey mentioned, it is unverified personal gnosis, and they may very well be working with some other entity that masks as being Tiamat.
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    Re: Real Dragon Deities

    Quote Originally Posted by Torey View Post
    I cannot comment for SeanRave, but the entity within my "pantheon" not dissimilar to Tiamat is Rahav (Rahab).

    I suspect that the reasons which Tiamat is not worked with actively is akin to the reason that Rahav is not worked with actively. That is, there are some primordial entities whose sentience is not equatable with the sentience of deities such as those found in many "mainstream" cultures and traditions. These primordial beings are so ancient and of such a different plane of existence that they do not recognise nor interact with human beings - or many (if any) other beings for that matter.
    Yeah that's pretty much the reason for Tiamat not being worked with in my "pantheon". BaalZebub explained to me that Tiamat is no longer a living being by human standards, but rather the undying and eternal manifestation of the primordial power she bears. He considers her to exist and have a perceptible influence but just in a different way that living/active spirits have.

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    I study Sumerian things why i relate to tiamat,and the creation myth,also anunitu is Sumerian goddess name my spell checker sucks

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    Re: Real Dragon Deities

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantinitus View Post
    That is quite interesting, considering how the entity managed to enter the human cosmology in a very real anthropomorphized form (often that of a dragon). What do you think would be some of the potential explanations for others "working with" these entities in a "perceptibly active" manner?



    I suppose that makes sense. I wonder how/why folks invite the divine mother of dragons considering her "instability". I wonder what sort of relationship they may have with her but like Torey mentioned, it is unverified personal gnosis, and they may very well be working with some other entity that masks as being Tiamat.
    This actually reminds me a bit of a discussion I had with someone about Baba Yaga recently. Not to derail the line of discussion. In fairy tales, Baba Yaga is often portrayed as the mother of dragons and may even take on a dragon like form (e.g. the hala or ala of the Balkans). Baba Yaga *can* be helpful, but there are very specific rules of engagement. When you enter her abode, for example, you must ask her for food in order to bind her by the rules of hospitality. Generally in East European folklore (as well as other traditions) dragons are viewed as beings of the underworld and enemies of the heavenly Gods such as Perun. Killing them releases the waters or causes golden wheat to fall from the sky. They may also steal the sun, the moon, and the stars.

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    There's a reason that the dragon-slaying myth is often called the "chaoskampf." In general, these beings are portrayed as being outside of or even against the established order that our world exists in. That's not to say that you couldn't work with them, but it seems like it would be kind of risky. Working with such a deity would be less of a worship/patron-based relationship and more of a dangerous shamanic journey.
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