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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    i always thought that Catholic prayers were somewhat like ritual chants like hail Mary,or our fathers,kind of like pagan chants in a ritual,just my take.
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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Eh, Jesus is God. He's just the same God (sort-of) as the Father. Treating him as not-God is more a Jehovah's Witness thing. Mary and the Saints are definitively not deities though under Catholic doctrine.
    We were never taught that Jesus is God. Jesus is Jesus, and he serves a specific purpose in our relationship with God and our prospects of reaching Heaven. He is the son of God and more than mortal humans... but not God. There are also things like the Divine Flame and the presence of God within all people etc etc

    Perhaps there are differences in Australian versions of Catholicism and American versions?

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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    We were never taught that Jesus is God. Jesus is Jesus, and he serves a specific purpose in our relationship with God and our prospects of reaching Heaven. He is the son of God and more than mortal humans... but not God. There are also things like the Divine Flame and the presence of God within all people etc etc

    Perhaps there are differences in Australian versions of Catholicism and American versions?
    Err, Nicene Creed on Christ is

    We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    one in Being with the Father.
    Through him all things were made.
    For us men and for our salvation,
    he came down from heaven:
    Christ's status as divinity is pretty clear cut and the creed should be universal among Catholics. Interpretation of "one in Being with the Father" can be a little more interesting but True God from True God is pretty clear about his nature. I'm now distinctly curious about how this is presented in Australia.
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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    We were never taught that Jesus is God. Jesus is Jesus, and he serves a specific purpose in our relationship with God and our prospects of reaching Heaven. He is the son of God and more than mortal humans... but not God. There are also things like the Divine Flame and the presence of God within all people etc etc

    Perhaps there are differences in Australian versions of Catholicism and American versions?
    There are certainly differences in interpretation geographically - even within Roman Catholicism.

    I would also highlight the fact that it may be possible that, because you did leave the Church at a very young age, a more well-rounded teaching around the innate divinity of Christ would have been forthcoming had you remained in the Church.

    From what I have read, the Roman Catholic (generalised) interpretation posits that Christ was both truly God and truly Man as he was God manifest in flesh and of both Heaven and Earth.

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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    there are many different takes between christian groups,some of the differences have been the subject of major tension between the branches of Christianity. the church I was raised in SDA(Seventh day Adventist) had some offshoots like the branch Dravidians that had negative effects,there had been violent reactions between the main church,and the Dravidians(Reference Waco)
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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Torey View Post
    From what I have read, the Roman Catholic (generalised) interpretation posits that Christ was both truly God and truly Man as he was God manifest in flesh and of both Heaven and Earth.
    This is the position that I'm familiar with. There are various logical shenanigans associated with the premise of a Triune God that come into play and, not being a serious student of theology, which I don't generally have good answers for but Christ being wholly God and wholly Man is generally the base premise that I've seen.
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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Torey View Post
    From what I have read, the Roman Catholic (generalised) interpretation posits that Christ was both truly God and truly Man as he was God manifest in flesh and of both Heaven and Earth.
    This has been my observation as well. My hubby could probably talk more on this, he's not been Catholic for a while, but he did attend an Capuchin seminary for high school (and an all boys boarding school at that), his great-aunt is a nun, and his mother lives in a convent in Nicaragua for 3-6 months every year...but from what I understand, they have a pretty strict Trinitarian interpretation, in terms of the official doctrine.
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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    It's very plausible that my Catholic education was limited by never being an adult in the Church. I had 8yrs of being actively taught Catholicism and a further 2-3yrs of being an 'inactive' Catholic. We were just never taught that Jesus was equated with God... and I was taught by nuns in a school run by nuns with it's own church and priests. But then Jesus was never the central figure of worship... he was God's son and died for our sins and taught us a great many valuable lessons on how to be a good person. We learned his life and his lessons and read the Bible (Old and New Testament). He had the Divine Spark of God, but then so did we all. We prayed to God and worshipped God, and we had a direct line to God and didn't need to go through Jesus to reach Him. The Holy Trinity was a thing but it was never a big focus. So perhaps we were just never exposed to the more esoteric concepts because we were children and teenagers rather than adults.

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    Re: Is Christianity actually polytheistic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    I He had the Divine Spark of God, but then so did we all. We prayed to God and worshipped God, and we had a direct line to God and didn't need to go through Jesus to reach Him. The Holy Trinity was a thing but it was never a big focus. So perhaps we were just never exposed to the more esoteric concepts because we were children and teenagers rather than adults.
    I think that is fairly commonly the approach in most Christian traditions when it comes to kids. Heck, I don't even know if it would be well-covered and understood by many adults... Most people aren't all that motivated to learn the minutia of doctrine unless they *have* to for some reason!!
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