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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Common error.

    50 people practicing empathy and cooperation can defeat a single selfish individual.

    Strength comes in a variety of forms, one of them is "community."
    As a collectivist I agree with that statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean R. R. View Post
    I mean, sure, you can disagree, but that doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

    I'm really curious to see where humanity is headed. In times of crisis, the stronger and smarter rise up, and the true potential of resilience of humans shine. Self-interest is IMHO a better motivator for survival and advancement than "empathy" or altruistic cooperation.

    For me much of the world's problems come from selfish egoism and extreme individualism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    First thought: Australia doesnt have social security numbers. Sure we have other things, but not in the same "ownership" sense mentioned. Your name and date of birth are usually enough, not some special number assigned at birth or whatever (I dont actually know how it workss).

    Second thought: I have long been an advocate for a 'license to breed'. I mean hell, we need a license to drive a car, and need to be a certain age to be able to drink etc, and if you do those things outside the regulations, there is punishment. Now I'm no legislator, but imagine a license to breed. There would be an appropriate age limit. There would be restrictions placed on inappropriate behaviours (drug conviction = revoking license for a period of time). There should be fines for breaking the law (no having babies for the baby bonus, instead, disincentives to breed). I think this could create positive implications on issues relating to child sex crimes too. Of course this goes hand in hand with good education and free birth control. And those things should come first. But anyway.

    As a well educated, married, aging (lol yeah but) woman, who has had two miscarriages since I was last here, I'm not saying everyone shouldnt have the choice, but thay the choice should be a well informed one. Yes, mistakes happen (or dont), but imagine if everyone knew how a womans menstrual cycle worked, and took precautions around it so they didnt get fined. Yes it's an extrinsic system, but our current extrinsic systems reward births. Breeding in itself isnt special (coming from someone who cant breed btw). Being educated enough to know what environment you're bringing a child into, and having the right understanding of the implications for you, the child, etc, should be a core part of the license to breed.

    Of course there will be f**** ups, but imagine if anyone could drive and no one was policing it?
    How would one acquire a license to breed? Who gets to breed and, who doesn't?

    For me government controlling who people can sleep around with is totally absurd as there shouldn't be any policing over sex.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    How would one acquire a license to breed? Who gets to breed and, who doesn't?

    For me government controlling who people can sleep around with is totally absurd as there shouldn't be any policing over sex.
    For me, people who cant tell the difference between sex and procreation are totally absurd.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    For me, people who cant tell the difference between sex and procreation are totally absurd.
    Well, one does naturally lead to the other, does it not?
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    Well, one does naturally lead to the other, does it not?
    Nah, people have sex for a lot of reasons. These days the intent isn't to have a kid most of the time. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, as a society develops birthrate peaks, then declines, and part of that reason is the greater availability of birth control. This seems to imply that, at least eventually, people don't want to have as many children, but I would venture the amount of actual sex occurring isn't substantially different over time when accounting for cultural norms.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    Well, one does naturally lead to the other, does it not?
    Only if you want kids. Or if you're undereducated about bitch control, menstrual cycles, the impacts of having/raising children and/or sex in general.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    Well, one does naturally lead to the other, does it not?
    I've had sex for 12 years now, and have still never gotten pregnant. Not once in those 12 years have I had sex with the intent of procreation.

    Biologically, one leads to the other in a heterosexual relationship, pending reproductive health, but that is ignoring sexual education, protective contraceptives, and the free will of people involved.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    I feel like this topic should be in the adult section in my opinion.

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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    I feel like this topic should be in the adult section in my opinion.
    I've never seen this in main sections of the forum, at any rate I have no desire to talk about this subject beyond philosophical or social implications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Nah, people have sex for a lot of reasons. These days the intent isn't to have a kid most of the time. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, as a society develops birthrate peaks, then declines, and part of that reason is the greater availability of birth control. This seems to imply that, at least eventually, people don't want to have as many children, but I would venture the amount of actual sex occurring isn't substantially different over time when accounting for cultural norms.
    Sex without contraceptive artifices naturally leads to procreation, that it is a derivative of pleasurable social activity doesn't change anything. The artifice of contraceptives only neutralizes the procreation aspect of sex. At any rate in this discussion I don't believe in policing sex, reproduction, breeding, or procreation.
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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    I've never seen this in main sections of the forum, at any rate I have no desire to talk about this subject beyond philosophical or social implications.

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    Sex without contraceptive artifices naturally leads to procreation, that it is a derivative of pleasurable social activity doesn't change anything. The artifice of contraceptives only neutralizes the procreation aspect of sex. At any rate in this discussion I don't believe in policing sex, reproduction, breeding, or procreation.
    Yes we have sn adult forum for members that 18 years old and up? Ask the moderators or admin about for more details.

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    Re: Humans should stop producing

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    Sex without contraceptive artifices naturally leads to procreation, that it is a derivative of pleasurable social activity doesn't change anything. The artifice of contraceptives only neutralizes the procreation aspect of sex. At any rate in this discussion I don't believe in policing sex, reproduction, breeding, or procreation.
    Yeah, that's just not correct and I'm not even sure where to begin taking it apart. There's tons of reasons why people may be unable to reproduce. People have also literally always used contraceptive measures. There's thousands of years old medical papyri for the equivalent of the morning after pill. When such measures were unavailable or unknown people figured other ways out. For example, couples might time their intercourse to avoid fertile periods, or use coitus interruptus, or just have sex that doesn't involve penetration. This has been something people have done for as long as they've been able to communicate.

    Also, like... I cannot emphasize to you enough that same sex intercourse exists and has been happening for as long as there has been complex multicellular life engaging in sex and that no one considers that a procreative activity. Sex is a thing people do with their bodies. It cannot be boiled to simple biology because sex in humans is inherently informed by culture and context. People have sex generally because they like it, there's a lot of potential reasons and reproduction is only one of them.
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