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    Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Hello everyone I've been a spiritual person all my life using mostly new age interpretations of gods from the classical antiquity or Christianity. I am by no means a practitioner of any religion I mostly just live as though I am under surveillance by the gods and pray to them through out the day. But I have found a field of study known as transhumanism or posthuman that people say there is something deeply religous about. I will include a list of books I read and in each book they cite sources which led me down a rabbit hole so to speak about this amazing new field. Some people refer to the people spreading the message of transhumanism as transevangelists. These books also talk about gene editing, euthanasia, life extensions, etc. I Hope this is the right place to post this Anyways heres the books

    Radical Evolution


    Book by Joel Garreau

    To Be a Machine: Adventures Among Cyborgs, Utopians, Hackers, and the Futurists Solving the Modest Problem of Death

    book by Mark O'Connell


    Citizen Cyborg
    book by James Hughes


    2004 Non-Fiction Book


    Forbidden Gates: How Genetics, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Synthetic Biology, Nanotechnology, & Human Enhancement Herald The Dawn Of Techno-Dimensional Spiritual Warfare

    book by Thomas R. Horn and Nita F. Horn

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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    I don't very much like transhumanism, futurism, or progressivism because it comes with the belief that large segments of the population are obsolete. Such beliefs are anti human at their fundamental core.

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    I'm not even comfortable with like AI upgrades etc. Like itd be cool to be plugged into the internet all the time, but anything that changes out definition of human makes me uncomfortable. It's like living forever. So far long life is only benefiting the old. And the world is overpopulated as it is. Until we develop a way to stop the over-breeding in some areas, then we can't have super humans, or extra long life or any of that stuff.
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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    I'm not even comfortable with like AI upgrades etc. Like itd be cool to be plugged into the internet all the time, but anything that changes out definition of human makes me uncomfortable. It's like living forever. So far long life is only benefiting the old. And the world is overpopulated as it is. Until we develop a way to stop the over-breeding in some areas, then we can't have super humans, or extra long life or any of that stuff.
    I think overpopulation is a myth and in the future the word underpopulated will become very popular as the world resembles the fiction "Children Of Men".

    Yes, there is a monopoly on power by the current older generations that seem to not care about the wellbeing of younger generations whatsoever. For me we're living in a very dark period of human civilization that will only get much worse with time.

    Immortality is overrated, I can't imagine wanting to live forever. I'm reminded of stories of immortal humans from works of fiction wanting to off themselves because of the sheer boredom of living hundreds of years and such. Immortality is for the gods, human beings not so much.

    I just don't share much enthusiasm as technological cornucopians do, the more technological advances that come into play seems to create even more problems. The world has enough problems without adding even more on top of them and frankly technology seems to only benefit the ruling class the most over average people. Then again I do tend to be a pessimist, cynic, and fatalist.

    I'm a nature kind of guy in that I value nature more over human artifice, it's just too bad the current world we live in doesn't and I think that is a tragedy.
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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    I think overpopulation is a myth...
    The worlds population has doubled since 1970. Literally a single lifetime. There is no way the world can adapt to that.
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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Its been my experience that when people say things like they think overpopulation is a myth they typically have a poor grasp on population dynamics as it relates to carrying capacity and ecological resilience.

    I have no interest in having a post-biological experience. Tech will not "save" us, though it might help.
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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Its been my experience that when people say things like they think overpopulation is a myth they typically have a poor grasp on population dynamics as it relates to carrying capacity and ecological resilience.

    I have no interest in having a post-biological experience. Tech will not "save" us, though it might help.
    Unlikely with natural resources peaking around the world creating eventually a global energy crisis, for big tech to advance and adapt would require massive alternative energy on a global scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    The worlds population has doubled since 1970. Literally a single lifetime. There is no way the world can adapt to that.
    Research what is called demographic winter and sub replacement fertility or reproduction.

    While it is expected for population to grow until 2050 by then that population growth will peak and then nosedive off a cliff worldwide. I can post graphs if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heka View Post
    I'm not even comfortable with like AI upgrades etc. Like itd be cool to be plugged into the internet all the time, but anything that changes out definition of human makes me uncomfortable. It's like living forever. So far long life is only benefiting the old. And the world is overpopulated as it is. Until we develop a way to stop the over-breeding in some areas, then we can't have super humans, or extra long life or any of that stuff.
    Stopping overbreeding is simple. Difficult as hell to pull off but very, very simple. Improve quality of life in areas with the largest population growth. Population growth tends to fall as quality of life increases. Of course, actually improving quality of life sufficiently without breaking something moderately important is liable to be more interesting but it will do the trick.
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    Re: Transhumanism or Posthumanism (Is being called a new religion by some)

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Stopping overbreeding is simple. Difficult as hell to pull off but very, very simple. Improve quality of life in areas with the largest population growth. Population growth tends to fall as quality of life increases. Of course, actually improving quality of life sufficiently without breaking something moderately important is liable to be more interesting but it will do the trick.
    Personally I'm fan of the "Thanos" solution haha. It's better than the "Kingsmen" or "The 100" ��
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    That everything was shit.

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