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    Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    WARNING: THIS IS OFFENSIVE TO PSYCHOLOGISTS AND PSYCHIATRISTS


    Seriously how can any human think they can understand what the hell is going on in another humans brain? They seem to diagnosis people with disorders and give them medicine. We aren't guinea pig experiments!!!!!

    It sickens me. I think they are the real psychos. They want everyone to be a certain way. WHat a bunch of censored
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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Don't drop F-bombs and/or derivatives of them in public forums.

    Past that, psychologist does not equal psychiatrist. The latter is an actual medical doctor with the authority to diagnose and prescribe. The former is not. Both of them serve various functions but they aren't the same. Beyond that, there are bad apples in both fields but both fields do provide significant benefit to society at large and will provide greater benefit as they mature.
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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Pragon, I have read several of your latest posts, but I'll just respond here. As the mods already said, this is a forum and people come here to politely discuss topics. A rant every now and then is alright, but there is a lot of anger in you. Whatever the reasons, you should do something about that. Anger pushes people away.

    I went to a psychologist a few years ago. She wasn't a psycho and she didn't try to do any experiments on me. All she did was listen and act as a mirror for my thoughts and feelings by asking the right questions which made me think different about myself and my life in a more positive way than where I came from.

    If you don't want to talk to a psychologist, try to talk to a friend or family member. Or write your feelings and rants in a diary.

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    i agree Eleanor,very much so.
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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post

    Seriously how can any human think they can understand what the hell is going on in another humans brain? They seem to diagnosis people with disorders and give them medicine. We aren't guinea pig experiments!!!!!
    We understand quite a lot about the human brain. That's why we can diagnose and treat a lot of mental health problems. But it is a new science, we still have much to learn so the process continues. However, people still suffer mental afflictions and do not take 'I don't know everything about the brain therefore I won't help you' as a kindly answer. We use the knowledge we have to treat people as best we can while other other scientists work on finding out more.

    I'm not sure why this is such a big problem for you.

    Having said that, i've always thought psychiatrists and mental health nurses were a bit weird (i worked with them lots).

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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Some people are living with serious mental illness and psychologists and psychiatrists may very well be saving our lives.

    Certainly there are some professionals who perhaps conduct themselves inappropriately, make mistakes or incorrect decisions or even have sinister motives. However, a blanket generalisation is not helpful.

    As some of the others here have stated, I am deeply sorry that you are feeling hostility towards those in the professions of psychology/psychiatry - but I do hope that you reach out in a constructive way and address some of your concerns respectfully.

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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    I am angry. I'll admit that. I'm sorry for swearing, if that is against rules. I thought it was okay to swear just as long as I wasn't offending anyone personally here. I do not wish to do that. The thing I don't understand with those who diagnose is all these disorders. They seem to have a new disorder or so every couple years or so. More people seem to get diagnosed these days then they did back then. My father is a baby boomer and he is against this as well.

    My grandpa never had to deal with these new disorders as well. They didn't have an origin back in those days. It seems ridiculous with all these disorders. Most of them seem highly similar to other disorders. How does this help? How does using drugs change someone? I can assure you that I have my beliefs and they aren't going to change.

    I talk to family and they think I'm nuts. Got a friend who agrees but she has her own issues right now. I do write. I write a lot and tend to delete it overtime. Seems like a pattern that goes on and on. Yes, I am angry. I'm not happy. I can honestly say yes... I am hella angry.

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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    I am angry. I'll admit that. I'm sorry for swearing, if that is against rules. I thought it was okay to swear just as long as I wasn't offending anyone personally here. I do not wish to do that. The thing I don't understand with those who diagnose is all these disorders. They seem to have a new disorder or so every couple years or so. More people seem to get diagnosed these days then they did back then. My father is a baby boomer and he is against this as well.

    My grandpa never had to deal with these new disorders as well. They didn't have an origin back in those days. It seems ridiculous with all these disorders. Most of them seem highly similar to other disorders. How does this help? How does using drugs change someone? I can assure you that I have my beliefs and they aren't going to change.

    I talk to family and they think I'm nuts. Got a friend who agrees but she has her own issues right now. I do write. I write a lot and tend to delete it overtime. Seems like a pattern that goes on and on. Yes, I am angry. I'm not happy. I can honestly say yes... I am hella angry.
    If you have your beliefs and they aren't going to change, then there's no point in posting them here. This is a place for discussion, not for you to just drop your beliefs and walk away.

    As far as how diagnosis works, it's all based off of the DSM Manual for Psychiatric disorders. Typically, a mental disorder has to have a significant impact on your ability to function in day-to-day life in order for it to be diagnosed as a disorder. I do agree that some things may be over-diagnosed. Anyone who isn't nuerotypical can be labeled with a disorder. But that is all part of coming to understand how our brain works. Part of the reason that diagnosis is increasing is that people are more aware and it's easy enough to google. Along with this part of the reason for the increase in ADHD diagnosis, for instance, is that schools get more funding for every ADHD child (from what I understand), because they pose extra challenges.

    However, there is starting to be push back on this. People are demanding, at both a school level and a workplace one, that accommodations be made for the nueroatypical. Things like longer and more recess for kids, more active forms of learning, forest schools are starting to pop up. Things like longer breaks at jobs (for instance, an hour lunch and staying for 9 hours instead of 8), alternative seating (for instance sitting on a yoga ball), quieter office areas for those that need it to focus. Basically, there are people saying, yes, I'm different, and I have different needs to function as far as my environment, but instead of medicating my brain, lets compromise on the environment.

    Even with all that, some people still need medication. Some people have mental health problems bad enough that they cannot function with the medication. Decades ago, many of those people would have committed suicide, or put themselves in more dangerous positions, or become recklessly violent, likely would have ended up in prison or worse. Abusive behavior was also more accepted, so those that couldn't control that behavior went under the radar.

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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    I am angry. I'll admit that. I'm sorry for swearing, if that is against rules. I thought it was okay to swear just as long as I wasn't offending anyone personally here.
    I'm going to leave most of this alone because atm, that's better for everyone. However, regarding profanity. The rules mostly amount to, keep it limited and avoid all variations of f***. There are probably other terms that we'll censor on sight but in most cases, limited use of profanity will at most get your post edited and a warning to tone it down. However, the fact that I came across a string of posts requiring edits at around midnight last night while I was on my phone and that one of them was in the general area of a curse every other sentence has you on relatively thin ice for the next few days. In the interest of not summoning annoyed staff, avoid any profanity for a few days so that the staff are not collectively looking for mod tools and after that keep the use of profanity on public sections of the forum mostly restrained and you won't have much of an issue when it comes to the language rules.
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    Re: Anyone feel psychologists and psychiatrists are psychopaths?

    Medication works for many psychiatric disorders, which are often caused by neurochemical issues within the brain.

    I've had great success with Wellbutrin. My husband and children have had decent success (in the case of my son who has quite severe ADHD complicated by OCD) and great success for my husband and daughter with their various medications. My aunt has gotten great relief from Zoloft.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with psychiatry, though (like all of medicine) it is far from perfect, due to the nature of how medicine works as a science.

    You are a guinea pig experiment. Every single one of us is a walking, talking guinea pig experiment for life. When taken together, there are patterns in the behaviours of the guinea pigs and, eventually, there is an established norm and established deviations from that norm, whether one is talking about physical health or mental health or genetics or the microbiome of the gut. The brain is an incredibly complex organ with incredible variability. And like any highly variable system, when talking in generalities, there are lots of exceptions because all of the variability cannot be accounted for with the relatively simple system we have for analyzing it.

    Medicine in general (and psychiatry in particular) is a lot like meteorology. In meteorology, there is a model of the earth and the atmosphere. We track data (temperature, pressure, humidity, etc.) across many points. The more points of data (sensors, satellites, weather stations, weather balloons, etc.) we have, the more accurate predictions from the data can be. Even so, meteorologists can't account for the data they don't have from the places where there aren't sensors. Its why the further out from the time of weather, the likeliness of the prediction changing is increased. Its why sometimes it rains on a day that is supposed to be sunny. Predicting weather is science in action--Medical diagnosis is no different.

    We don't have 7 zillion sensors in the brain. We can't measure many data points of what is going on in there. All psychiatrists can do is use reported symptoms and behaviours (and people lie to their shrinks all the time) and compare them to the studied responses and behaviours and studies that have looked at everything from brain imaging to genetics, along with studies of behaviours and treatments to figure out what is going on in there. But there's still a lot of variabilities. Medication is amazing when it works, but getting to a medication and dosage that helps can be a lot of trial and error.
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