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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    I am very much a theist however that doesn't mean that I cannot take science and see the Goddess and Gods hand in it.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean R. R. View Post
    Would you mind elaborating?
    Historically science was used by very prominent and very religious people to better understand their sacred texts or the wonders of creation.

    In fact, I'd even argue that most of today's western understanding of mathematics, physics, and most other sciences (including medicine, botany, geology, etc.) comes directly from the efforts of very religiously inclined people.

    Most of the time, science and religion are very compatible, as usually, they delve into very different levels of explanatory demonstration that are not necessarily contradictory in nature.

    The two most notable's examples are the Islamic Golden Age, for, well, Islam, and from the 17th to the 20th century for Christian scientific development.

    Back in the day, the Jewish people were also extremely kin on scientific development as well. The Greeks also used science, and most prominently geometry, as a way to understand and better appreciate nature and explain religious phenomena (cough, cough, Euclid, cough).
    As a scientist who grew up in a denomination of Christianity that accepted science's explanation of the origin of the universe and the evolution of man and started exploring other religions because of disagreement with the basic claims of its mythos with regard to the state of man and his need for salvation, this.

    I've extensively studied the history of science. Which has pretty much been the history of religion for most of human history.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    I'm not a scholar of religion (mandatory disclaimer), but this question is interesting so I've been reading a lot about the history of "Biblical literalism" (and I'm not picking on Christianity - it's just that Biblical literalism has become a massive problem here in the U.S., distorting science education in public schools, fueling a home-school movement amongst people who are anti-science, creating a powerful fantasy-based, anti-science decision making engine in the highest levels of American government, and the corruption of data-based decision making in huge swaths of the American public... So there's been a lot written about it. Not so much about other religions).

    Anywho...

    What I've found is this: while, historically, there have always been Christians who interpreted the Bible literally, they have always been a small minority. Most Christians simply didn't do it.

    In fact, during the first few centuries of the Christian era, people were writing gospels (stories of the life of J.C. and his possie) with less concern for internal cohesiveness of story line than Stan Lee used for comic books.

    But they were (IMHO) written for the same reason - people loved new stories about their favorite super heroes. People didn't take them literally, they just enjoyed the stories.

    But now, a recent PEW poll suggests that, in self-identified American Christians, 3 out of 5 are now calling themselves Biblical literalists.

    Why this is, I can't say. But if I were studying this subject, I would certainly look at why the increase in Biblical literalism coincided with an increase in scientific knowledge, and the influence of religious leaders in the political\legal that have taken place ever since the anti-Darwin monkey trials (which, incidentally, are still being fought in American courts to this day).
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    But they were (IMHO) written for the same reason - people loved new stories about their favorite super heroes. People didn't take them literally, they just enjoyed the stories.

    But now, a recent PEW poll suggests that, in self-identified American Christians, 3 out of 5 are now calling themselves Biblical literalists.

    Why this is, I can't say. But if I were studying this subject, I would certainly look at why the increase in Biblical literalism coincided with an increase in scientific knowledge, and the influence of religious leaders in the political\legal that have taken place ever since the anti-Darwin monkey trials (which, incidentally, are still being fought in American courts to this day).

    I think some of this, at least, is a problem of literacy.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I think some of this, at least, is a problem of literacy.
    Some. Absolutely.

    But it's run by people who know what they are doing. Is Ken Ham illiterate?
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    Hinduism and science are old friends.
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