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    I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    I just recently read this: http://www.uppsalaonline.com/uppsala/odin.htm Click on the "Serving Odin, or any god" link at the top and you'll see what I'm going to be referring to.

    The part about how Odin treats his followers really shocked me. It says that his devotees are no strangers to misfortune and hardships. I myself cannot seem to get away from hardships. For instance: My life is so full of negative irony that just thinking about it nearly drives me mad. And shortly after I turned 18, I developed some sort of illness that's been plaguing me ever since (been in and out of doctor's offices, had numerous tests done on me, blah blah). In other words, I'm sort of an unfortunate soul.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm afraid that I've somehow become one of Odin's followers without even trying and that he is testing me. Maybe he wants me to learn from my trials. I quote: "He has, perhaps, one gift to give and that is the gift of hardship, of challenge. Perform, he says, or die." I'm not so sure I want THAT gift.

    Anyway, your thoughts are much appreciated.

    Oh, and on a side note: There are a lot of 9's pertaining to Odin (the whole 9 days and nights hanging from Yggdrasil thing, etc.). My birthday is 9/9/1990. September 9, 1990. My birth certificate says that I was born at approx. 9:15 in the morning. That's a lot of nines. It seems like 9 is a significant number in the Nordic religion. That's gotta count for something, right?

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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    Nine is an important number in many cultures. SO I wouldn't read too much into that. And suffering happens. To everyone. It's all a question of timing. Besides, that article is just someone's opinion, it isn't written in stone. Don't let it worry you.

    People write such things with little thought for how they will be perceived by others and little information about how to really turn your life around if you happen to feel affected in that way.

    Please, just forget about it. Whichever god has chosen you, or will choose you in the future, I don't personally believe they are going to go out of their way to make you sick or wretched. And any god that did really would not be worthy of your devotion IMHO
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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    Nine is an important number in many cultures. SO I wouldn't read too much into that. And suffering happens. To everyone. It's all a question of timing. Besides, that article is just someone's opinion, it isn't written in stone. Don't let it worry you.

    People write such things with little thought for how they will be perceived by others and little information about how to really turn your life around if you happen to feel affected in that way.

    Please, just forget about it. Whichever god has chosen you, or will choose you in the future, I don't personally believe they are going to go out of their way to make you sick or wretched. And any god that did really would not be worthy of your devotion IMHO
    Thank you so much. You made me feel sooooo much better. I was just a little worried because I have an affinity for Odin and I would like to have him as my patron god in the future.

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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    I think any divinity reserves the right to give out hardship for a higher purpose. If you treat them as actual entities rather than symbols and archetypes than they by nature have their own goals. Sometimes those goals may complicate your life. I'm far more afraid of a deity that says follow me and everything in life will be perfect than one that offers difficulty in exchange for a greater reward. That said, there is no deity (worth following anyway) that offers nothing but hardship. Pointless suffering is just that pointless and a deity that inflicts it probably doesn't have your best interest at heart. The real question is not will a given deity complicate your life but whether the rewards of working with them are worth the headache involved and that's not something I'm willing to answer here. I'll say that some of the Aesir have done some things that impress me and that I'm impressed by most of the Heathens I've dealt with on PF but I don't generally work with the Aesir so I have no direct experience.
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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    I think Masked One makes some very sound points. Much in life is all about balance - not just about getting rid of things you don't like and embracing things you do. It's about getting the balance right. So at the moment you are going through a bad patch - to achieve balance you are going to need to find something that balances this out. I can't tell you what it is, nobody can, but I can tell you that if you look you will eventually find it.

    It is quite possible for a god to come into your life without you looking for him, but even if this is so, there will be rewards as well as trials. And everybody dies eventually - so what Odin offers is really no different from the end result of following any deity. Or none at all.

    You mention feeling you have an affinity for Odin, but this new aspect of him, that he brings only suffering, is new to you. So I would strongly suggest that you read up on the northern gods, and their folklore, as widely and wisely as you can. And please don't worry about it. Remember that just as we need the gods, they need us too. It's a two-way relationship, whatever the deity.
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    Hmm, something I should have mentioned before. That site seems to have left you with the impression that Odin has a hard on for pain and anguish. Admittedly, I'm not Heathen but that seems a bit off to me. He didn't call out to the universe one day "Beat Me! Hurt Me! Make Me Feel Cheap!" Odin has made great sacrifices yes but they were each made freely in exchange for arguably massive rewards. He does what has to be done. Sometimes that hurts like hell but he doesn't actively conspire to pick the most painful possible way to accomplish a task.
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    "When to the Force you truly give yourself, all you do expresses the truth of who you are,"

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    Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

    Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

    "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

    John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

    "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

    Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis



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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    At the same time, Odin isn't always nice, and he isn't always fair. While he is the patron of knowledge, wisdom, magic, and many other wondrous things in the world, he is also known as the God of Slaughter for a reason. He can be very friendly and good, and he can be wild and unpredictable. That's why you need to really take it seriously and learn all you can before you come to a decision on whether you become fullatru to Odin, or to anyone else.

    While Odin doesn't have a hard on for pain or anguish, he will do very nearly ANYTHING to achieve his objectives. Self-mutilation, torture, starting major wars, theft, driving men to madness, he's done (or, at least, purportedly done) them all. Pretty much every instance comes out to be for the greater good in the end, but the road to get there is usually a rocky one.

    All that said, I'm no expert on Odin. I've never had much to do with him, as my interests lie on the opposite end of the spectrum. My advice is to read the original source material as much as you can, and learn all you can, before coming to a decision.

    As for being "chosen" before you were Pagan, I actually agree that that could (and probably normally does) happen. I remember when I went from being a Christian to being Pagan, it was like a mask was pulled off of the "presence" I had always attributed to Yahweh and it was revealed to really be Tyr.
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    ^ agreed. Apologies if I implied otherwise. A presumption that Odin will shrink from doing what is necessary would be as innaccurrate and possibly more dangerous than a belief that he's into hurting himself for entertainment.
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    Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

    Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

    "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

    John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

    "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

    Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis



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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    Oh no, don't worry, I was actually agreeing with you. Just in a long-winded sort of way
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    Re: I think Odin chose me before I was Pagan

    It IS all about balance and all that stuff about how when one door closes, another one opens, no matter which God(dess)(es) you follow/converse with/whatever. Hell, of course, is in the hallway - when we don't know why something "bad" has happened, and the next thing hasn't been revealed yet.

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