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    Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals.

    I should have posted this sooner. There isn't really much here on Celtic paths, but I am really struggling to research these things for myself. My local library is closed, which isn't helping, and the internet is so hit and miss.

    Basically, I just want to know if there is anyone here who could maybe advise me and help answer questions about Brythonic deities, religion, magic. In fact, even knowledge of Celtic beliefs from elsewhere would help.

    I am not looking to recreate a Celtic path. I just want more inspiration that just what I glean from contacting these deities directly.

    This is a very vague post, I realise that, but I'll get more precise once there are people willing to share their wisdom.

    Oh my Patrons are Brigantia and Bregans, if you wish to share you own understanding of these first? Good luck with Bregans though!!

    Thanks in advance

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    I'm noticing that there isn't much. Wish I could be of more help, but being one newly walking a Celtic path, I'd be interested in what those more knowledgeable would have to say. I'm certainly willing to share what I've come up with and share the sources, but I hesitate to speak authoritatively, or even particularly confidently at this point.

    I am also in a similar position; the local library is closed for refurbishment, though I do have access to other county public libraries.

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    The biggest problems with 'Celtic' paths is defining them. So I would suggest - before I post anything else - that we get to grips with what is Celtic.

    The Celts occupied a massive area in Europe over a long period of time. From northern Greece across the Gaul, up into Britain etc you would have Celts at some period. So you could find many different influences on Celtic beliefs and practices. Jembru - I notice you mention Brythonic deities and I might be able to find some info on them, but would you just clarify exactly what it is you're seeking? Then I'll do my best to help.
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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    You're going to run into a lot of problems. Most of the Celts didn't exactly write things down, so not a lot exists in their own words. The writings that are around were penned by Romans who had a horrible tendency to embellish, exaggerate, undersell, ignore, and frankly make things up. I'll help where I can, and I'll poke around a bit for some information on Brigantia and Bregans when I get time.
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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    You might have more luck finding inspiration if you look at archeological info, rather then historic. Whatever the case, good luck!

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    If you're interested in Brythonic deities and mythology, look into early Mediaeval British literature and myth. Despite the obvious lens of Mediaeval Christianity over it, there is a clear strand of Celtic mythology, gods, and legend throughout. Arthurian legend, the Welsh myths, and other things like that. It's a good start that, with proper reading in the history and folklore of the region, can help develop a clearer understanding of the Insular Celts. And in the process, an insight into their culture, their religion, their mythology, and their gods.

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    Hi Jembru.

    Even though my focus is more Gaelic than Brythonic, there is some stuff I can suggest. As Louisvillian said, looking at Arthurian Legends is a good idea, specifically 'Le Morte D'Arthur' by Sir Thomas Malory as this is the, if you like, 'classic' version of the stories and does have quite a few Pagan elements from Welsh mythology, albeit as presented with Christian angle.
    Also, 'The Mabinogian' is the absolute cornerstone of Welsh medieval myth and, from my experience of Neo-Druidism, many of the figures in there are regarded as Gods. On top of this, many books of Celtic Mythology will feature myths and folktales from Wales, Cornwall and Brittany which may also help get a feel for Brythonic beliefs in general.
    If your focusing in Romano-British deities however, this is a bit harder. As previously stated, there is little information on them beyond archaeological evidence and the works of Greeks and Romans such as Caeser, most of which focus on Druids rather than beliefs. I can suggest 'Old Gods, New Druids' by Robin Herne which does refer to Romano-British Gods alongside more pan-Celtic deities.
    As a closing point, you may like to go to the forums of websites of groups which are specifically Celtic in their focus and ask there. For example, the forums of the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids are good and I don't think you have to actually be a member of the OBOD to register.
    Anyway, hope some of this is useful. Best of luck!

    Blessed Be

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    This is my only reply? What? Maybe I forgot, but I've a sneaky suspicion this is my phone up to it's tricks again. It's my word against it's though and I don't remember, so going to have to give it the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    Anyway, thanks so far for the advice. I've noticed that Brythonic and Gaulic are sometimes coupled together. I looked a little closer and this is because there is a clea prgression from Gaul - to mainland England - to Brittany. I've been so far making up for the lack of info on the religions of Celtic England, by reading about Welsh, Irish and particularly, due to my ancestory (I'm a 'Bruce') and location, Scotland, to look for common themes that can be reasonably assumed to exist here too.

    My question is, would focusing on the Gaulish Celts, offer a faith closer to that of the Brythons? If so, will I hit the same brick walls? Or is more information available?

    I'm currently considering Brigid to be the same deity, but something nigggles at me now and then saying, 'but how can you be sure?'.
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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    Jem, one of the things I havepicked up is that alot of the Gaulic scources are writings of caesar, or are put down many many years after the conversion of the Gallic peoples. So as far as information goes you're likely to have similar problems, if something does'nt feel correct, then that's totally up to you. but I don't see you having better luck focusing on Gaulish deities. That said, alot of really similar ideas and archetypes permeate the whole of the celtic regions, so it never hurts to learn different perspectives from different places, who knows maybe something will ring a bell for you as being really too similar to ignore?

    Being sure is also hard to do sometimes... go with your gut!

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    Re: Calling all Celtic witches, Druids, Recons or generally well-informed individuals

    Quote Originally Posted by Jembru View Post
    My question is, would focusing on the Gaulish Celts, offer a faith closer to that of the Brythons? If so, will I hit the same brick walls? Or is more information available?

    I'm currently considering Brigid to be the same deity, but something nigggles at me now and then saying, 'but how can you be sure?'.
    One thing that I have noticed with Irish deities with definite Welsh correspondences is that their' stories differ greatly. There is a Welsh and Irish Lu/Lugh, for example, but their stories are not what I would call consonant. I suspect that there were probably cases where a deity was absorbed or adopted by a tribal group and simply worked into the mythos with a back story to make his/her origins fit within the continuity of the existing gods. The Greeks and Romans did this all the time. It also is fairly evident that Lugh was an addition to the Irish Tuatha de Danan. His origin story indicates that he wanted to join and was admitted because of his skill in everything, not due to him being born into the Tuatha.

    So I suspect that there will always be niggles, even if it is the same figure; look at the differences between Greek and Roman deities, where we know which ones correspond with which.

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