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    Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    I've recently been finding myself quite interested in Luciferianism, specifically Michael Ford's books on the subject.

    I've noticed that his rituals/theology draws a lot from pre-Christian pagan beliefs and was wondering, could Luciferianism be considered pagan? Or could a Luciferian consider him/self a pagan?

    The same question could apply for certain types of Satanism also.

    For those of you who are unfamilar with Luciferianism, here are some helpful links:

    http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=J...s_similarbooks
    http://theisticsatanism.com/pagan/Is...ism-Pagan.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
    http://www.spiralnature.com/spiritua...ferianism.html
    http://www.squidoo.com/luciferian

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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    While Luciferianism seems to have many possible definitions (like Paganism itself!), I do believe it fits. While it might stem from a Christian origin, the center of their belief doesn't exactly fall under the Abrahamic group. Some of my path takes (or borrows or steals) from Abrahamic lore (canonical and otherwise), but I still consider myself a Pagan.
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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Yeah, as a LaVeyan Satanist, we pretty much consider Luciferians as Pagans simply because they believe in Satan as an actual Deity. Which then follows under Pagan parameters.
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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Thanks for your reply! I've been noticing a greater number of Luciferians and even Satanists defining themselves as pagan recently.

    Luciferianism seems to draw strongly from pre-Christian concepts, such as the worship of ancient Egyptian deities (Michael Ford's books equate Shaitan with Set) and incorporating Babylonian mythology etc. So I would agree in saying that it doesn't quite fall under the Abrahamic umbrella.

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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    I keep meaning to read Michael Ford and I never get around to it.

    Is he the one that promotes Ahriman worship or is that a different person I'm thinking of?

    As for the question, I suppose that depends. Are we talking about Lucifer the Roman light god or as Satan or as a combined Prometheus-like figure? Labels aren't so easy sometimes.
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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielWithoutWings View Post
    I keep meaning to read Michael Ford and I never get around to it.

    Is he the one that promotes Ahriman worship or is that a different person I'm thinking of?

    As for the question, I suppose that depends. Are we talking about Lucifer the Roman light god or as Satan or as a combined Prometheus-like figure? Labels aren't so easy sometimes.
    Technically it wouldn't matter. Under the basic very broad view of Paganism, it's pretty much worshiping any sort of thing, deity,idea (ish) that isn't Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior! I mean at least according to Atheistic Satanists. Doesn't matter what view you have of Satan. If you worship it as a sentient being, you are a Theistic Satanist. Thus having a Theist view. Thus having it fall under Pagan. That's just my experience and don't quote my non existent authoritive book entitled 'I know everything and even wrote a book about it'
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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Technically it wouldn't matter. Under the basic very broad view of Paganism, it's pretty much worshiping any sort of thing, deity,idea (ish) that isn't Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior! I mean at least according to Atheistic Satanists. Doesn't matter what view you have of Satan. If you worship it as a sentient being, you are a Theistic Satanist. Thus having a Theist view. Thus having it fall under Pagan. That's just my experience and don't quote my non existent authoritive book entitled 'I know everything and even wrote a book about it'
    I thought you LaVeyans were Suitheists? Wouldn't that make each of you his or her own Satan?

    If so, does that make you Pagan? If you're worshiping yourself as Satan because you don't believe in Satan, does that make you a Pagan?

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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Technically, yes. It is not a part of the three Abrahamic and therefore -could- be deemed "pagan." Personal belief; call yourself whatever you wish, but before you go waving flags you'd better know what you stand for.
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    Re: Luciferianism - would you consider it pagan?

    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielWithoutWings View Post
    I thought you LaVeyans were Suitheists? Wouldn't that make each of you his or her own Satan?

    If so, does that make you Pagan? If you're worshiping yourself as Satan because you don't believe in Satan, does that make you a Pagan?

    Oh, look... I've gone cross-eyed...
    LaVeyans pretty much are Atheistic. While we like to use the phrase of 'making ourselves our own gods'. We are keenly aware that it's all in word only. Satan is a symbol for us. Even in our 'worship' of ourselves. We aint foolin anyone.
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