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    Omnipotence?

    This might be a bit long, and I hope to not offend anyone with this but this is my personel opinion. I actually never considered any of the gods and goddessess to be omnipotent. I personally aknowledge all gods and goddessess and respect the good and wise ones but I believe that even the ones that are supposed to be classified as omnipotent aren't really, like the Hebrew God, or Jesus or Bramahn. They're powerful, but I don't think they are all powerful. Mostly because I think an all powerful being wouldn't require worshippers or offerings. A powerful being would but an all powerful being wouldn't do such things since they could create anything with a mere thought. Why would they invest so much time into that? Why would a god require armies to smite opposing people when the god can wipe them out instantly? Why would an all powerful being require such things and for what purpose? Compare and ant to a human. In comparison the human seems all powerful compared to the ant but is the human really omnipotent? No. I don't even think any of the gods and goddesses are responsible for creating the universe or even this planet. I think of them as powerful emmisaries sent to help guide the ignorant and help the unfortunate but that's just me.

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    I think the idea of omnipotence comes from, at least now, so many millions even billions of people sharing the same general belief in a specific deity and they each claim they are in connection with this being from the minor to the miraculous, that it makes the deity seem omnipotent when it is just a widespread human belief and nothing more.

    I was thinking similarly that the gods are like messengers but not under the rule of any one higher being. They're kind of like a big brother or great aunt teaching you some interesting things about the seen and unseen worlds just because they want to and they're good at it. Being in connection with a deity serves no higher purpose than friendship or kinship of some kind in my experience. They're not here to transform our lives but help us define and interpret them and I think this has a lot to do with the omnipotence factor as well. So many different people in so many different places with so many different views, perceptions and practices all trying to get in contact, serve, communicate, work with, etc, the same higher power. For instance I have noticed Hecate, Freyja and Bridgid are fairly common Goddesses on this site and this site is open to the world, so that makes it seem like these goddesses are everywhere. Once again, I think it is just a mass collection of similar ideas and feelings- the collective unconscious I guess.

    I agree with your all powerful idea- why would an all powerful being need anything but themselves when they can create, live and destroy a universe with a blink of an eye, or a thought like you mentioned.

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    It really depends on your religion and what you believe in. So each answer will be different, depending and who you are asking.

    You also have to ask yourself, do you worship or pray to a god because they need it, or because you need it? Do we go out to get some sunlight because our bodies need it or because the sun needs it?
    Do they not, then, ponder about the Qur‘an? Had it been from someone other than Allah, they would have found in it much discrepancy. [4:82]

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    I agree with some of what you said OP. But for me I do think many of the deities have access to information that ordinary people do not have. I also find it interesting that some people who have experienced Near death experiences have mentioned about hearing peoples thoughts. To me I think many of these Gods and Goddesses in various realms are able to hear what is going on and possibly see what is going on. I think its possible that other beings could do this too.

    An example could be the great and powerful Elephant headed Deity Ganesha. It is said that He is Lord of Dharma (Eternal Truths). He is the Protector of Dharma. The Remover of Obstacles. One thing I find very interesting about this friendly Deity is that it is said of Ganesha that He knows the inner most workings of Karma. Some people have experienced where a neighbor broke off a branch from a tree while trimming and Ganesha gave wisdom to a sage telling him that this breaking of the branch caused ripples across the Universe. So if Ganesha is aware of such things then there must be some kind of Omnipotence. But this is only my view. I also know of an incident where a Buddhist Monk (the famous Ajahn Chah) was meditating and suddenly in his meditation he started having visions of the Universe. His mind was traveling through out space seeing all sorts of celestial bodies etc... and workings of space. He was wise so he knew not to get lost with these visions so he simply was mindful of the miraculous visions and simply watched it without being attached (something I would for sure fail to do). My point is that these are ordinary humans that sometimes have these visions so what about the great Gods and Goddesses in our mystic traditions? Surely they must be able to have a wide field of knowledge and direct perception.


    I do view that these is one underlying source of all things. I may call it Shiva/Shakti and other people call it other things. This microcosmic God/Goddess is what gives birth not only to Gods and Goddesses, but to everything else such as asteroids, comets, planets, humans and other animals.

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    I think dumuzi hit it on the head, do we worship deities because they want us to or because we want them to. i ill admit the Bible (not sure on the qua'ran?) basically tells you to worship god. so from your side of the argument thats true for yeh weh, but remember that bible was written by men, and men can make mistakes, or unable to understand a concept put it into a form they can understand and this then over the years changes. (think chinese whispers, but with books) i cirtainly know that i am not bound to worship any deity and yetthere are some that i do feel have omnipetence, this because (as had been mentioned above) we give this being that power.

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    Re: Omnipotence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alienist View Post
    This might be a bit long, and I hope to not offend anyone with this but this is my personel opinion. I actually never considered any of the gods and goddessess to be omnipotent. I personally aknowledge all gods and goddessess and respect the good and wise ones but I believe that even the ones that are supposed to be classified as omnipotent aren't really, like the Hebrew God, or Jesus or Bramahn. They're powerful, but I don't think they are all powerful. Mostly because I think an all powerful being wouldn't require worshippers or offerings. A powerful being would but an all powerful being wouldn't do such things since they could create anything with a mere thought. Why would they invest so much time into that? Why would a god require armies to smite opposing people when the god can wipe them out instantly? Why would an all powerful being require such things and for what purpose? Compare and ant to a human. In comparison the human seems all powerful compared to the ant but is the human really omnipotent? No. I don't even think any of the gods and goddesses are responsible for creating the universe or even this planet. I think of them as powerful emmisaries sent to help guide the ignorant and help the unfortunate but that's just me.
    I pretty much agree with this line of thinking. I think of deities as higher tiers of beings (and have used the ant-to-person metaphor myself before too) and while I hold respect toward them, I do not consider them all-powerful. Just lots bigger than humans (some bigger than others).

    I do believe in a kind of "source" that pervades all things, from which all of existence emanates. I suppose in a way it could be said to be all-powerful, perhaps. But I've never seen it as any kind of personified thing or deity. I think monotheists and those referring to a god-of-the-gods, ultimate, all-powerful being are feebly trying to grasp at the concept none of us humans can ever fully put into words. My best attempt to describe it is as raw power that exists far beyond our ability to fully conceptualize it, does not adhere to any human concept (we can begin to describe the very hem of its coat so to speak, but never fully grasp the thing itself), and doesn't give a darn about what we do or don't do with our lives. I wouldn't really call that thing "God", exactly. I've referred to it as "Source" before, though.
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    Alienist and Psy.. Really long name, I agree with both viewpoints there, summarized pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowDemonic View Post
    I pretty much agree with this line of thinking. I think of deities as higher tiers of beings (and have used the ant-to-person metaphor myself before too) and while I hold respect toward them, I do not consider them all-powerful. Just lots bigger than humans (some bigger than others).

    I do believe in a kind of "source" that pervades all things, from which all of existence emanates. I suppose in a way it could be said to be all-powerful, perhaps. But I've never seen it as any kind of personified thing or deity. I think monotheists and those referring to a god-of-the-gods, ultimate, all-powerful being are feebly trying to grasp at the concept none of us humans can ever fully put into words. My best attempt to describe it is as raw power that exists far beyond our ability to fully conceptualize it, does not adhere to any human concept (we can begin to describe the very hem of its coat so to speak, but never fully grasp the thing itself), and doesn't give a darn about what we do or don't do with our lives. I wouldn't really call that thing "God", exactly. I've referred to it as "Source" before, though.
    Well said. Truly the 'Divine', 'God', 'Goddess', 'Tao', etc is beyond all concepts. Calling it the Source is another great pointer. Our monotheism, polytheism, and panentheism I think are different teachings to try to grasp that which is beyond name and form. I call that source Shiva/Shakti or Woden.

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    I like to call that creative force/thing/essence existence and abstraction, or empty beauty I guess (we are allowed to give it meaning where it has none or is beyond our comprehension).

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    Omni-impotence. Because even the gods suffer from erectile dysfunction.


















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