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    #31
    Re: Sources for beliefs

    You could say that. It's a collated work, so the stories and poems don't necessarily run into each other or follow any particular order. Also, some of the poems have been hashed together from separate fragments.

    I have the Bellows translation, which includes incredibly detailed introductory notes and footnotes examining the syntax and speculating about which verses are genuine and which are interpolated. For example, the Havamal actually has five or six subsections and it's indicated that the original manuscript was in itself a collection rather than a complete poem. So with the Havamal we actually have a collation within a collation, so to speak. lol

    I always intended to get a second translation for comparison, but I haven't bothered yet. I like the Bellows translation, and I like the academia that it includes.

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      #32
      Re: Sources for beliefs

      So Bellows gets one vote, anyone else? haha

      I've been wikipedia-ing it. From this, the Havamal looks like the second 'book'. Could we perhaps start at the top anyway?
      ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

      RIP

      I have never been across the way
      Seen the desert and the birds
      You cut your hair short
      Like a shush to an insult
      The world had been yelling
      Since the day you were born
      Revolting with anger
      While it smiled like it was cute
      That everything was shit.
      - J. Wylder

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        #33
        Re: Sources for beliefs

        The Voluspa is first in my copy and is much shorter than the Havamal.

        You should probably start a new thread on this or ask a mod to split this one off... may be easier access?

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          #34
          Re: Sources for beliefs

          Holland, Larrington, and Bellows are probably the most widely known/available translations, each with their pros and cons. I own each, I use Holland as my handy reference. The Bellows translation is on the sit I posted, northvegr.org. There is a version on www.heathengods.com but I don't know if it has footnotes etc. These online sources are free and downloadable. If you can find it, the Chisholm translation is good, and is actually translated by a Heathen academic.
          I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger

          Blood and Country
          Tribe of my Tribe
          Clan of my Clan
          Kin of my Kin
          Blood of my Blood


          For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
          And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.

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            #35
            Re: Sources for beliefs

            Yeah I'll start a new thread if we get enough interest. I'm still not sure I want to be the one to be starting all this. But I do agree starting with the Voluspa.

            I've just downloaded a Bellows version Rick. You know lots about all these things, wanna start a thread?! haha :P
            ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

            RIP

            I have never been across the way
            Seen the desert and the birds
            You cut your hair short
            Like a shush to an insult
            The world had been yelling
            Since the day you were born
            Revolting with anger
            While it smiled like it was cute
            That everything was shit.
            - J. Wylder

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              #36
              Re: Sources for beliefs

              Originally posted by Heka View Post
              Yeah I'll start a new thread if we get enough interest. I'm still not sure I want to be the one to be starting all this. But I do agree starting with the Voluspa.

              I've just downloaded a Bellows version Rick. You know lots about all these things, wanna start a thread?! haha :P
              Hehehe... thank you, no thank you. I find the Eddas to be pretty straight forward in their story telling and their moral telling. There's not exactly Zen-like thought goin' on there, just a lotta common sense.
              I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger

              Blood and Country
              Tribe of my Tribe
              Clan of my Clan
              Kin of my Kin
              Blood of my Blood


              For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
              And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.

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                #37
                Re: Sources for beliefs

                Fair enough. You'd get involved in a discussion if I *cringe* started it? Your straightforward opinion would be useful I'm sure!
                ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

                RIP

                I have never been across the way
                Seen the desert and the birds
                You cut your hair short
                Like a shush to an insult
                The world had been yelling
                Since the day you were born
                Revolting with anger
                While it smiled like it was cute
                That everything was shit.
                - J. Wylder

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                  #38
                  Re: Sources for beliefs

                  As time permits, yes, of course.
                  I often wish that I had done drugs in the '70s. At least there'd be a reason for the flashbacks. - Rick the Runesinger

                  Blood and Country
                  Tribe of my Tribe
                  Clan of my Clan
                  Kin of my Kin
                  Blood of my Blood


                  For the Yule was upon them, the Yule; and they quaffed from the skulls of the slain,
                  And shouted loud oaths in hoarse wit, and long quaffing swore laughing again.

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                    #39
                    Re: Sources for beliefs

                    haha time...

                    *sigh*

                    So i propose, posting 5 verses a week, as per the original Edda discussion. Yes? No? I suppose I will do this, but Imma wait another day to get all peeps opinions.

                    I really want to do this though!
                    ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

                    RIP

                    I have never been across the way
                    Seen the desert and the birds
                    You cut your hair short
                    Like a shush to an insult
                    The world had been yelling
                    Since the day you were born
                    Revolting with anger
                    While it smiled like it was cute
                    That everything was shit.
                    - J. Wylder

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                      #40
                      Re: Sources for beliefs

                      I would be interested in this if you start it up, I am just learning and it would be good to be involved from the beginning of the thread instead of playing catch up all the time ( my eyes go crossed when I try to read a big thread and then I loose where I was thanks to children's demands )

                      Let me know if you do start it up xxx
                      http://theheathenstudyclub.proboards.com/

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                        #41
                        Re: Sources for beliefs

                        It is a great idea, Its always interesting to see how others interpret/adapt texts.

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                          #42
                          Re: Sources for beliefs

                          Go for it, Heka. Even if there are only four people posting in there, it'll be worth it lol

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                            #43
                            Re: Sources for beliefs

                            I will, it's busy this week! (go back to school in 2 days, sooo not prepared! haha) I'm aiming for Monday!
                            ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic

                            RIP

                            I have never been across the way
                            Seen the desert and the birds
                            You cut your hair short
                            Like a shush to an insult
                            The world had been yelling
                            Since the day you were born
                            Revolting with anger
                            While it smiled like it was cute
                            That everything was shit.
                            - J. Wylder

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