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    Re: Linguistics and the Craft

    Quote Originally Posted by Simatong View Post
    呪文は魔法が使えるように言われる言葉なのでこの場合には使われると思います。
    私は同感だ。英語でおも「spell」はもともと魔法で使う言葉を意味したそうだ。それで日本語でも同じこ とだろうと思った。
    That was my thought too. In English, apparently 'spell' originally referred to the words during spells. If so, I think the same could be true of Japanese.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simatong;
    字で作られる恵まれたサークルを使うことをJembruさんがどう思う?
                   

    例えば、サークルの方角で「水」とか「火」とか「気」などをエレメントの示すのに使うの意味だった?そうね ぇ、以前私もそれを思案したことがあるけど、最近別に考えなかった。面白い質問ね。人によって違うと思う。 私達の漢字が読める人にとって、その字はエレメントを考えさせるので、多分、ルーン文字より効果的だし。逆 に、不明で不思議で読めない文字のほうが効果的だし。私にそうしたら利くかどうか選べない。試してみたくな ちゃったんだけど。シマトン君、それを試したことがあるの?

    So you mean like, for example, using '水’ (mizu:water) or '火' (hi: fire) or 気(ki air, spirit)etc, at the circle points to represent the elements? This is something I've wondered about before, but I haven't really thought about it lately. It's an interesting question. I think it depends on the individual. For people like us who can read kanji, these characters instantly make us think of those elements, so they could be effective. On the other hand, for some people, using symbols that are strange and mysterious that they can't read, is more effective. I can't decide whether or not this would work for me. I want to try it out now though. How about you Simatong? Have you ever tried it?
    夕方に急なにわか雨は「夕立」と呼ばれるなら、なぜ朝ににわか雨は「朝立ち」と呼ばれないの? ^^If a sudden rain shower in the evening is referred to as an 'evening stand', then why isn't a shower in the morning called 'morning stand'?

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    Re: Linguistics and the Craft

    まあね~~祈り以外の儀式を行ったことがない(それは僕にとってとっても悪いこと。けれど、今の状況下では 、儀式に参加するのは無理だ)。それでも、水、火などの自然魔法に関する儀式を行うなら、大自然の力をもっ と激しく感じるかなと思う。日本語と魔法が好きだし、興味は心の奥にある魔法の力をもっと激しく呼び覚ます んだから。でも、今はね、儀式を行うことができないけれど、日本語で詠むなら何が起こるか本当に知りたいね 。
    Well~~I've never really performed any rituals outside of simple prayer (which is a bad thing to me, but under the current circumstances, performing rituals is kind of out of the question). Still, if I were to perform rituals for water- or fire-based nature magic (as a few examples), I'd like to think that I'd feel nature's power much more intensely, because I like Japanese and magic, and these interests would awaken the mystical energies within my heart with more intensity. As for right now, while I can't do any rituals, I would like to know what would happen if I were to simply chant in Japanese~~
    I am getting curious about this now

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    Re: Linguistics and the Craft

    Hey Simatong.. are you still around? I really hope so. Sorry I was missing for so long. I came out as pagan to the staff at Gaiwa though, and a few days later, a new member joined up who's hobby is making pagan head dresses.. 世間は本当に狭いね!

    Anyway, I've had a huge overhaul of my practices and now there is a deity to whom I do speak Japanese! There is a big event coming up in a few weeks and I'm hoping to be able to network and get some more members for the Newcastle Japanese group. Naturally, I want my Japanese to be immaculate at the event. Okay, that's maybe asking a bit too much, but still, about a week ago, I sat in my bedroom and did a small ritual to help me with my nerves when I speak Japanese to strangers. I had such an amazing vision of the Goddess Isis. I used to worship her until about 8 years ago, but I thought my beliefs had changed and I was strictly celtic.

    The vision was just too real, too vivid, for me to ignore though. I of course welcomed her back with open arms, but guess what... without any conscious effort, I just started blurting out Japanese at her! I sobbed my eyes out (I cry a lot in rituals.. I'm easily moved!), and just told her how I felt and how amazed and thankful I was that she came back.

    Now exactly why an Egyptian deity came to me during a spell for better Japanese, or why I feel she wants me to speak to her in Japanese, I really don't know, but I've been really inspired since the ritual. I've charmed my notebooks, added visualisations to my pre-study warm up and started using self-hypnosis to clear away the voice in my head that tells me I'm no good and I can't learn.

    During the vision, Isis gave me the symbol of a rose. I understood that the rose was to be a mental trigger for me. I had no idea what a rose had to do with either Isis or Japanese, but then later realised that the day planner and matching clipboard I use to plan my daily study sessions has roses on, and so does the new notebook I bought for studying during quiet time at work!

    I also bought myself a rose scented body spray. When I'm having a good study session and I feel that my Japanese is coming out well, I spray the area and myself, to make an association between feeling confident in my Japanese and the smell. Of course, when the convention comes around a week on Saturday, I'll wear that scent and take it in my bad for regular top ups!

    When I was a student, I used to combine witchcraft and study all the time, pretty much without even thinking about it.. it was just what I did! Yet I've never really thought to apply the same techniques to my Japanese study until now.

    Oh and as I mentioned hypnosis; I've been using this cool guided meditation; http://youtu.be/Ccb5dId7Dv0 The sound quality unfortunately isn't so great, so I'm thinking of writing a transcript and re-recording it myself. There are other guided meditations in Japanese on youtube, but this is so far my favourite, because it's similar to a white light and heart chakra meditation I used to do when I was a student. It's such a shame about the sound quality.
    夕方に急なにわか雨は「夕立」と呼ばれるなら、なぜ朝ににわか雨は「朝立ち」と呼ばれないの? ^^If a sudden rain shower in the evening is referred to as an 'evening stand', then why isn't a shower in the morning called 'morning stand'?

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    Re: Linguistics and the Craft

    Aww, looks like our resident pagan polyglot never returned. Hope he does one day!

    Anyway, I just wanted to update. I kinda hope one of our Shinto members might stumble on it and throw in any ideas as to why 'Isis' would come to me as one of the kami (is there a Kami with a similar role to Isis, who may well be the same Goddess as viewed through Shinto?).

    I now speak to all my deities in Japanese. It happened gradually but now it just feels more natural somehow. I use English too, but I now end all spells and rituals with 'yoroshiku onegai shimasu' rather than 'blessed be'. I also speak to my flat (long story, but my flat started communicating with me and now I talk back ^^), in Japanese. It makes absolutely no sense why I'd do this, but it feels right and it seems to answer so I don't think there is such a thing as a language barrier where spirits and gods are concerned.

    I mentioned a Japanese hypnosis before didn't I? If Simatong isn't around, there's probably not much use in sharing the link (but here it is in case anyone is curious: http://youtu.be/Ue89I1dboFE), but I recently found an amazing guided meditation in Japanese. It is a general 'realise your wishes' meditation. After the usual deep breathing routine at the start, it connects you to the Earth Mother and then takes you though a really effective visualisation. She asks you to imagine yourself one year in the future, when you've achieved your goal, talking you through it in detail (who you're with, how you feel.. what expression you have on your face..) and then asks you to wind back the hands of a clock to a little while so that you're a few months before that point, and makes you imagine what you're doing at that point, towards achieving your goal, then it asks you to come back a little more in time, and do the same, then back again.. until asking you to consider what you need to do between now and that closest point, in order to be the person you saw.

    It blew my mind the first time I listened to it. It is so versatile that you could use it with pretty much any goal, which makes it a great tool to use in spells too. I'm just gutted it's not in English so I could share it with more of my pagan friends. Maybe I could write an English version and make one myself...
    夕方に急なにわか雨は「夕立」と呼ばれるなら、なぜ朝ににわか雨は「朝立ち」と呼ばれないの? ^^If a sudden rain shower in the evening is referred to as an 'evening stand', then why isn't a shower in the morning called 'morning stand'?

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