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    Animal Testing

    So here's a topic that usually has so many pro's and con's people don't even know what to think about it anymore. Animal Testing. Is it right? Is it wrong? Who else are we going to test Medication on? Is testing Meds on them ok but Beauty Products not ok? *gets out the thinking hat*
    I personally never really liked the idea of this, but at the same time...How else would we test things, hardcore?! As in we want this stuff so we should test it on our own?!
    (for "safety" reasons lol I marked this as a Debate because I can see the opinions going waaayyy far apart on this one..lets keep it friendlyz)

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    Re: Animal Testing

    It's wrong and ineffective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamKane View Post
    It's wrong and ineffective.
    I think you may definitely have a point with the ineffectiveness. I always wondered how exactly we were sure that something would work on humans as well as it did on a rabbit...I mean kinda not the same "species" lol.
    So do you think we should test on humans? And what if the "human test objects" die or get really ill from something that was tested on them? Who would sign up for this? Suicidal people? Criminals being forced to do this? All this testing seems to be one of those necessary evils, but what is the right way to do so?!

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    Re: Animal Testing

    They seem pretty effective to me. I take a lot of meds. Statins, blood thinners, diabetic meds, etc. I'm thankful for the testing. I can't imagine how long we would have had to wait if we were not allowed to test on animals.
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    For meds, rats have fairly close DNA structures to humans. Most of what is toxic to humans is also toxic to rats. You have to scale dosages and stuff, but it works well. I don't like it, but I don't really know that we have a choice. It seems the most effective way to test modern medicine. Like Medusa, I'm also not willing to throw that out. I'm only alive because of modern medicine. If I didn't have epinephrine or anything like that, I would have died of anaphylactic shock years ago.

    I'm against cosmetic testing on animals, mostly because it's really wasteful and useless. The whole cosmetic industry is for profit alone. At this point, we have all the hygiene products we need and cosmetic formulas are about as good as they can get. Anything new that's developed is there for product diversification alone, or worse, as a solution to a "problem" that marketing executives created so that we buy more stuff (ie white teeth...don't even get me started on this one). We don't need more formulas of lipstick or shampoo. Testing these on animals doesn't advance society or make our lives better.

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    Either way, it'll be redundant in the coming decades as cloning and genetic engineering becomes more routine and refined. Why test on animals when you can grow non-sentient humans in vats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    They seem pretty effective to me. I take a lot of meds. Statins, blood thinners, diabetic meds, etc. I'm thankful for the testing. I can't imagine how long we would have had to wait if we were not allowed to test on animals.
    I completely agree with you and DanieMarie when it comes to medication. This is something that I am also very grateful for, and without animal testing I also do not think we would be this far advanced in the medical field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    I'm against cosmetic testing on animals, mostly because it's really wasteful and useless. The whole cosmetic industry is for profit alone. At this point, we have all the hygiene products we need and cosmetic formulas are about as good as they can get. Anything new that's developed is there for product diversification alone, or worse, as a solution to a "problem" that marketing executives created so that we buy more stuff (ie white teeth...don't even get me started on this one). We don't need more formulas of lipstick or shampoo. Testing these on animals doesn't advance society or make our lives better.
    agreed! the beauty department is a waste, I don't feel like it is necessary to put animals through this kind of torture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denarius View Post
    Either way, it'll be redundant in the coming decades as cloning and genetic engineering becomes more routine and refined. Why test on animals when you can grow non-sentient humans in vats?
    haha good point. But I'm not sure how to feel about that either. "Let's grow humans in vats and then use them as labrats/organ donors/whatever" <-- sounds kind of wrong idk ?!

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    Re: Animal Testing

    I'm pretty against it, and don't buy any products that are owned by companies with any link to animal testing, so it can be fairly limiting.

    But I do see the benefit in medicine. There's not really anything I can do there. Even most pills have gelatine in them, which isn't vegetarian, but often I don't have a choice.
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    Re: Animal Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilium of the Valley View Post
    I think you may definitely have a point with the ineffectiveness. I always wondered how exactly we were sure that something would work on humans as well as it did on a rabbit...I mean kinda not the same "species" lol.
    So do you think we should test on humans? And what if the "human test objects" die or get really ill from something that was tested on them? Who would sign up for this? Suicidal people? Criminals being forced to do this? All this testing seems to be one of those necessary evils, but what is the right way to do so?!

    Actually, there are a number of model organisms that have been selected or bred to be similar to humans in different ways. For example, the chinchilla has an ear most similar to that of a human. Several years ago, we actually adopted chinchillas that had had ear surgery to test a new technique to be used for fighter pilots that would minimize complications. The chinchillas weren't harmed, and at the end of the study, they were adoped out. Medication and toxicology studies are something else though...

    I have problems with the idea of testing *anything* on chimps or animals of a similar intelligence. But I don't have a problem with testing medication or in toxicology studies on rats or mice (and its not because of the cuteness factor, but a number of traits that make them better suited for lab studies)...I don't necessairly like it, but I'm not morally objected to it. Because really, I'd rather test something on a lab rat than it be used without testing on my kid's school or some village somewhere (and, I might add, several thousand new chemicals are invented world-wide, annually, and are not tested)...and lab rats are cost effective, quicker than human studies, and fairly accurate...at least in the field of toxicology.

    I think what their needs to be, is oversight. Ethical oversight, and procedural oversight.
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    Re: Animal Testing

    I feel there is a vast difference between testing medications on animals for human use and doing the same with beauty products. Medications yes but not beauty products, Rats and mice no problem.
    I have been taking part in experamentle cancer drug programs(the next step in the process)as well as some trial programs with surgerys. Back in the 1970's the government volunteered me for testing new vaccines for the swine flu and no they didn't ask just take off your shirt and get in line. Hopefully at some point computers can be used to do the testing instead of using animals, but untill then like it or not this is going to be a much needed part of medical research. If you have doubts about the nessesity of this type of testing I suggest you go to your nearest children's hospital and walk through some of the wards. Without the new medications that have been developed many would not be going home and sadly because of the lack of the right drugs some will not.
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