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    #16
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    I've always wanted a Jack Russel. But they are just way to smart for me!

    Thanks Rae'ya. I'm going to look into those videos.
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      #17
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      Originally posted by Medusa View Post
      Thanks Rae'ya. I'm going to look into those videos.
      If you have any questions PM me. It's tricky to see exactly what he's doing if you don't understand dog behaviour and body language, that's why the videos that offer examinations and explanations are good to watch. It's also why he's so popular with laypeople and so hated by professionals. Because we can see what he's doing and how it effects the dogs.

      If you're interested in some trainers/authors that I would recommended then look at Sophia Yin and Jean Donaldson. They're not as charismatic or showy as Cesar, but they know their stuff and they get good results with far better methods.

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        #18
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        Originally posted by Rae'ya View Post
        If you have any questions PM me. It's tricky to see exactly what he's doing if you don't understand dog behaviour and body language, that's why the videos that offer examinations and explanations are good to watch. It's also why he's so popular with laypeople and so hated by professionals. Because we can see what he's doing and how it effects the dogs.

        If you're interested in some trainers/authors that I would recommended then look at Sophia Yin and Jean Donaldson. They're not as charismatic or showy as Cesar, but they know their stuff and they get good results with far better methods.
        I'm no professional, but something about Cesar always turned me off. I really trained my dogs sort of intuitively, and they turned out awesome with good manners (though they have their moments...just cannot break that one dog of taking stuff out of the trash...meh). Part of it I'm sure is having easy dogs, but I do tend to be pretty good at reading dog signals. It's why some little smashed face dogs freak me out. They don't really give off the same signals in my experience. Only ever gotten bitten once, by a Pekingese. Little jerk.

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          #19
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          Originally posted by Rowanwood View Post
          I'm no professional, but something about Cesar always turned me off. I really trained my dogs sort of intuitively, and they turned out awesome with good manners (though they have their moments...just cannot break that one dog of taking stuff out of the trash...meh).
          My dog (she was a cocker spaniel) growing up had a thing for toilet paper rolls. We had to keep the bathroom door closed at all times.

          But yeah, I've never been a fan of his either, though I did learn two things that worked for my dog, one of which also worked on my kids when they were toddlers... 1) stick a backpack on them (if they are a "runner' or a "puller" when walking, it diverts their attention to "carrying"--this also works decently with properly motivated small children) and 2) a dog bred for X should get to do X as a fun activity (for example, a cocker spaniel is bred to smell out and flush game, particularly woodcock...so, lay scent trails and let the poor thing play hide and seek with imaginary birds in bushes and stuff). The second of which should be pretty intuitive, though I'm not sure the first is...though, once you hear it, it's definated an "oh, yeah...duh" moment.
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            #20
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            Originally posted by Rowanwood View Post
            I'm no professional, but something about Cesar always turned me off. I really trained my dogs sort of intuitively, and they turned out awesome with good manners (though they have their moments...just cannot break that one dog of taking stuff out of the trash...meh). Part of it I'm sure is having easy dogs, but I do tend to be pretty good at reading dog signals. It's why some little smashed face dogs freak me out. They don't really give off the same signals in my experience. Only ever gotten bitten once, by a Pekingese. Little jerk.
            It's actually really common about the squishy face dog thing... experts have done studies on the socialisation of brachycephalic breeds and found that they often have trouble recognising the body language signals of other breeds, and vice versa. You should see it in puppy school... there'll be this little Pug puppy in the class and all the other pups are looking at it like 'what's this alien thing doing and what does he want'. Interestingly, some dogs also have trouble recognising the facial signals of black dogs, which can screw with dog communication.

            Some laypeople have an intuitive knack for dog body language, but unfortunately many don't. We see it especially in people who think that their highly anxious dog is just 'really excitable' or 'wont listen to me'. It also means that there is often a fundamental misunderstanding of the way that defensiveness and aggression works in dogs. No dog bites without warning unless it has been taught to do so (often inadvertantly, when people punish them for growling). But even with those rare dogs, there is a distinct moment right before the bite where they go very still and tense up, and a certain cut to the eyes. Dogs give lots of warnings and signals, it's just that most people aren't very good at recognising them. And you're right... if you are used to a certain shape of dog than other shapes can be trickier to read.

            Originally posted by thalassa View Post
            My dog (she was a cocker spaniel) growing up had a thing for toilet paper rolls. We had to keep the bathroom door closed at all times.

            But yeah, I've never been a fan of his either, though I did learn two things that worked for my dog, one of which also worked on my kids when they were toddlers... 1) stick a backpack on them (if they are a "runner' or a "puller" when walking, it diverts their attention to "carrying"--this also works decently with properly motivated small children) and 2) a dog bred for X should get to do X as a fun activity (for example, a cocker spaniel is bred to smell out and flush game, particularly woodcock...so, lay scent trails and let the poor thing play hide and seek with imaginary birds in bushes and stuff). The second of which should be pretty intuitive, though I'm not sure the first is...though, once you hear it, it's definated an "oh, yeah...duh" moment.
            There are a few things that he teaches that are legit, as I said before. And these are definitely two of them. I really, really hate to see working breed dogs in backyards with no mental stimulation. And I hate to see dogs who are punished or thought to be uncontrollable when they are just doing what they are bred for. There are SO many outlets for dogs nowdays... Obedience classes, Agility classes, Flyball, Coursing... you can get these special leads and harness that you hook up to your 'pulling' type dog so that you can run them on roller skates. Here in Adelaide, the local Husky group does mud sledding in the winter down at Kuipto Forest - when the track is all muddy and slippery they take their huskies out and sled them. Not to mention the enormous range of environmental enrichment toys and devices that are specially designed for different types of dogs. So there are just no excuses for that anymore.

            Most dogs actually like to 'work', whether that be with weekly Agility classes, pulling a sled, chasing scents or lugging around your water bottles when you go for a walk. We have a program here in Aus called 'Bring in the Dogs' which tracks career sniffer dogs, not just at airports but the drug and money dogs and the dogs that sniff out accelerants at arson cases. It always makes me smile because those dogs are so damned happy. Like sniffing out that wad of cash was The Best Thing Ever. They love their jobs! And it's really easy to replicate that sense of 'work' at home... lots of us do it without realising, but there are still lots of people who just don't understand that.

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              #21
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              I make my Collie 'work'. He chases the dog chasing the rope :P Sometimes he chases the rope, but it always starts with chasing the dog And the rope is better than the ball, because they can fight over it when they get it.

              We have a Border Collie. We don't walk him enough, but he has lots of yard space, and another dog (and the rope) so we tend to justify it like that...
              The other is a Mini Fox terrier X Blue Heeler. He has a complex. He is OBSESSED with fetch. Hubby played it with him all the time when he was a pup. Now he will chase the ball/rope till eh throws up, then go back and get it!
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                #22
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                Originally posted by Rae'ya View Post
                Whatever you do, DO NOT take advice from Cesar Milan.

                Some of what he says is legit. Most of it is good old fashioned emotional and physical abuse. If you saw what he did off camera you'd cry.

                i cant agree with this enough.

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