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    #31
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    On my Youtube Channel I posted about spirituality and depression a week or so ago here: http://youtu.be/_5QV7yB2LU4

    It's basically about how best to cope, and was done after a query from a listener who had been made to feel less of a pagan because of depression. I hope it's useful. There is another too - the most recent one - about spirituality and chronic illness.
    www.thewolfenhowlepress.com


    Phantom Turnips never die.... they just get stewed occasionally....

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      #32
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      Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
      On my Youtube Channel I posted about spirituality and depression a week or so ago here: http://youtu.be/_5QV7yB2LU4

      It's basically about how best to cope, and was done after a query from a listener who had been made to feel less of a pagan because of depression. I hope it's useful. There is another too - the most recent one - about spirituality and chronic illness.
      I seriously have to thank you, immensely so, for getting right back to the OP, the whole point of this thread. Spirituality and what impact illnesses, mental illness in this case, have on it.



      A wonderful video, too, by the way. As always, I very much enjoy watching them!




      "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand

      "Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius

      "The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice." - Mark Twain

      "The only gossip I'm interested in is things from the Weekly World News - 'Woman's bra bursts, 11 injured'. That kind of thing." - Johnny Depp


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        #33
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        Thank you Chain!
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        Phantom Turnips never die.... they just get stewed occasionally....

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          #34
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          Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
          On my Youtube Channel I posted about spirituality and depression a week or so ago here: http://youtu.be/_5QV7yB2LU4

          It's basically about how best to cope, and was done after a query from a listener who had been made to feel less of a pagan because of depression. I hope it's useful. There is another too - the most recent one - about spirituality and chronic illness.
          I also want to say thank you Also, I plan to watch this later.

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            #35
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            Originally posted by AutumnFox View Post
            I also want to say thank you Also, I plan to watch this later.
            You're welcome, AutumnFox - hope you find it useful!
            www.thewolfenhowlepress.com


            Phantom Turnips never die.... they just get stewed occasionally....

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              #36
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              My best friend died as a direct result from his bipolar disorder. It is a very serious situation that needs to be investigated further.

              My experience with this is only limited to the few years we were room mates, but the mania is definitely a very different thing to the depression. My friend wouldn't remember a lot of his manic times after the fact, but he remembered the depression.

              The medications tended to bring on his depressive swings because of the mental and physical side effects. Be careful of the shrinks too. A particularly bad manic episode I remember was triggered by a series of "sessions".

              Personally, I would stay as far away from meditation and self medication as possible. Spiritual reasons aside, I feel that the bipolar mind is an extremely fine balanced and focused thing. Placing it into a passive and contemplative state is likely to initiate a feedback mechanism that may cause an undesirable mental shift in my very layman opinion.

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                #37
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                Originally posted by ChainLightning View Post
                What in the hell are you talking about? Adherents? Evil? Commandeered?


                It sounds to me like you're rationalizing abusive behavior. Forget biology, we've got social climates to neatly separate into various subverted roles for all those we want to claim are inferior.

                What Warwulf was, and is, presenting, in that post, is abuse. Nothing less.
                I was advocating a theory which suggests that deviance should often be ascribed to a defective standard rather than any defect native to the sufferer's mind. Distress and distraction can be seen as symptoms of demoralisation arising from the struggle against social norms less redolent of truth and beauty than the original values of the person deemed mentally ill.

                Where the potential for non-conformity is diminished the standard is reinforced - however defective it may be in reality

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                  #38
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                  Originally posted by DON View Post
                  My best friend died as a direct result from his bipolar disorder. It is a very serious situation that needs to be investigated further.

                  My experience with this is only limited to the few years we were room mates, but the mania is definitely a very different thing to the depression. My friend wouldn't remember a lot of his manic times after the fact, but he remembered the depression.

                  The medications tended to bring on his depressive swings because of the mental and physical side effects. Be careful of the shrinks too. A particularly bad manic episode I remember was triggered by a series of "sessions".

                  Personally, I would stay as far away from meditation and self medication as possible. Spiritual reasons aside, I feel that the bipolar mind is an extremely fine balanced and focused thing. Placing it into a passive and contemplative state is likely to initiate a feedback mechanism that may cause an undesirable mental shift in my very layman opinion.
                  The problem with psych meds is twofold

                  1) Sometimes they're the only half-decent option. Having dealt closely for ten years with someone who wasn't on meds when they should've been and then seeing the changes after a decent psychiatrist came into the picture, meds can be great things.

                  2) If certain psych meds are prescribed to people they shouldn't be then they create brand new problems instead of helping

                  The answer is less, "avoid all shrinks" and more "research what the shrink tells you and get a second opinion if you don't like what you hear" because if the shrink screws up his diagnosis, the meds he prescribes will not be your friend.
                  life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

                  Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

                  "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

                  John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

                  "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

                  Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis


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                    #39
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                    I want to bring it up again that I think the point originally was not "how to cure" but "how to cope, including spiritual methods".

                    No one here is a certified doctor and we should not pretend to be. No one should be giving out medical advice of any sorts.

                    Coming from the daughter of a nurse and pharmacist, they do not like other people doing their jobs.

                    (This is not aimed at any one specific, but everyone. Not everyone read thru all of the comments to see where OP clarified that they were not asking for medical advice at all.)

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                      #40
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                      Originally posted by midgnostic View Post
                      I was advocating a theory which suggests that deviance should often be ascribed to a defective standard rather than any defect native to the sufferer's mind. Distress and distraction can be seen as symptoms of demoralisation arising from the struggle against social norms less redolent of truth and beauty than the original values of the person deemed mentally ill.

                      Where the potential for non-conformity is diminished the standard is reinforced - however defective it may be in reality
                      Interesting...sounds a lot like the Sociopath/CEO correlation...

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                        #41
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                        Originally posted by midgnostic View Post
                        I was advocating a theory which suggests that deviance should often be ascribed to a defective standard rather than any defect native to the sufferer's mind. Distress and distraction can be seen as symptoms of demoralisation arising from the struggle against social norms less redolent of truth and beauty than the original values of the person deemed mentally ill.

                        Where the potential for non-conformity is diminished the standard is reinforced - however defective it may be in reality
                        Explain please.

                        Because what I make of all that, is that we need to start blaming what's been called a disease on society at large. As in, the chemicals in my brain aren't off kilter but, actually, society has brainwashed me, instead.

                        Are you serious, with this theory? That there's no such biochemical aspect to mental illness, just social pressure, gullibility and indoctrination?

                        If so, might I ask how this theory addresses spirituality? Is that just a cultural delusion, then?
                        Last edited by ChainLightning; 09 Jun 2014, 12:33.




                        "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand

                        "Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius

                        "The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice." - Mark Twain

                        "The only gossip I'm interested in is things from the Weekly World News - 'Woman's bra bursts, 11 injured'. That kind of thing." - Johnny Depp


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                          #42
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                          I think often people don't understand how neurophysiology and psychology aren't existing in a vacuum. Its not one or the other, its both...and both are dependent on many, many multiple factors from genetics to development to environmental stressors to culture to socioeconomic status to physical health. Some mental illnesses and disorders arise from biochemistry due to brain structure issues which have genetic and developmental components--ADHD, autism, anxiety, schizophrenia. Some mental illnesses and disorders arise from physical and emotional trauma and have a biochemical component--PTSD, depression. Some mental illnesses and disorders arise from biochemistry and result in emotional distress which may or may not be caused by certain stressors--panic attacks, depression, anxiety, OCD (which also has a genetic component).

                          You might notice there's some overlap there...because these things don't arise in isolation. Its like...drops of rain in a bucket. When you put a bucket in the rain, it catches a drop here and a drop there. A big bucket takes longer to overflow than a small one. A bucket under a tree is protected from some of the rain. Maybe its not raining all that hard where one bucket is compared to another. Maybe a bucket gets kicked over or blown down by the wind. When it comes to mental health, we don't all have the same bucket and they aren't always in the same storm. Either way, we can't all carry the same amount of water before it overflows.

                          For some people, medication corrects the chemical imbalance that lets them take control of the other factors of their mental illness. For other people, counseling helps. For yet other people, a swift kick in the head works. For some...nothing helps. This isn't a one-size-fits all deal.


                          MOD NOTE:

                          This is the second or third thread on this topic. And I'm really tired of seeing people use it as a soapbox for their personal agenda. I'm going to give the same warning and schpiel that I did in the other one... And incase you think you are some sort of special snowflake that this warning doesn't apply to, think again...because I'm about tired of pointing out what I think should be obvious. I won't lock this thread, I'll flipping hand out infractions til the offenders are banned.

                          People are using this space for sharing their deeply personal experiences.

                          DO NOT BE ASSHOLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR EXPERIENCE DIFFERS FROM YOURS.

                          DO NOT
                          DENIGRATE THE EXPERIENCES OF ANOTHER PERSON SIMPLY BECAUSE WHAT HELPED YOU DID NOT HELP THEM.

                          AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT CASTING ASPERSIONS ON THE CONTENT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S CHARACTER FOR NOT REACTING LIKE YOU DID IN LIFE.


                          So, from now on, read with an open mind and an open heart and keep responses to "I" statements.
                          And if your comment does not contribute positively to the continued discourse in this thread, keep it to yourself. OR IT WILL BE KEPT THAT WAY FOR YOU.
                          Additionally, I get it...people have stong opinions on this subject. But guess what, everyone has opinions. Unless you are a mental health professional, a neurophysician, some other specialist in the field of mental health, or other medical professional with experience with mental health issues, or some similarly experienced or credentialed individual, all you have is an opinion. And we all know what opinions are like. So make sure they are not expecially odiferous.


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                            #43
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                            Sorry, Thal. I got swept up for a moment and didn't pause to consider that I may be instigating further abuses, in-thread.

                            Mea culpa.




                            "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand

                            "Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius

                            "The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice." - Mark Twain

                            "The only gossip I'm interested in is things from the Weekly World News - 'Woman's bra bursts, 11 injured'. That kind of thing." - Johnny Depp


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                              #44
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                              Maybe this could be split off into a separate thread?

                              I'm interested in a social model of mental illness vs. a medical model of mental illness.

                              I can find all sorts of carefully deducted experiments in the area of the medical model. True, that prticular model is always changing, but that's understandable because more is learned in greater detail, and science changes to meet the facts.

                              Can you show me the sane sort of research supporting the social model - aside from Laing-ish muck (Laing once cured a poop smearing sick person by turning her into an artist - he provided her with canvas for her poop smearing pleasure)?

                              A theory should fit the science, the science isn't bent to fit the theory.
                              Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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                                #45
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                                While I was in the hospital for my depression, I had therapy, and groups and they helped for a while, I had medication.... I didn't like my medication.... One of the nurses there made a suggestion, she said she recognized in me something she had seen before, long story short, she told me to get a cat, something I can concentrate on, which needs me.... My cat helps so much, she is waiting for me every morning purring, she knows when I am upset, she doesn't make it stop, but she helps so much..... My little Cthulhu.... If something happened to her I don't know what I'd do.... But I guess something to focus on is helpful....
                                http://catcrowsnow.blogspot.com/

                                But they were doughnuts of darkness. Evil damned doughnuts, tainted by the spawn of darkness.... Which could obviously only be redeemed by passing through the fiery inferno of my digestive tract.
                                ~Jim Butcher

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